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Zmaj (215 D (B))
29 May 17 UTC
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You go, girl!
Merkel is finally flexing her considerable muscle.
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Ogion (4375 D)
28 May 17 UTC
Another terrorist attack kills two
How many more of these do we need to have before we start deporting these people or locking them up?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/27/portland-double-murder-white-supremacist-muslim-hate-speech
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Player needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=198628&msgCountryID=0&rand=31979#chatboxanchor
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
26 May 17 UTC
Should Jared Kushner security clearance be suspended?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/335243-dnc-suspend-kushner-security-clearance-amid-fbi-scrutiny

The DNC, for political purposes obviously, wants to suspend Jared Kushner's security clearance. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason by Jared secretly met with the CEO from VEB, the Russian state-owned bank.
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ND (879 D)
26 May 17 UTC
Cryptocurrency discussion
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-bitcoin-the-cryptocurrency-explained-2017-5
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
First advertiser pulls ads from Sean Hannity show
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/cars-leaves-sean-hannity-dust-pulls-advertising-article-1.3193120

Cars.com just pulled their ads from Hannity over the Seth Rich fake news propagated by Hannity even after Fox retracted the story. Corporate censorship of the press? Nope.
72 replies
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Hippopankake (80 D)
21 May 17 UTC
James Bond
If James Bond is the worlds most famous spy
Doesn't that make him the worlds worst spy?
17 replies
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Valis2501 (2057 D (G))
27 May 17 UTC
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Need F2F player (Skype?) Right now urgent
Our 7th flaked need a warm body in Boston or someone who can telecon ASAP, PM or email me if available in next 20 minutes
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JimTheGrey (968 D (S))
27 May 17 UTC
#MootAbides
Weasel Moot XI--the premier tournament of the Windy City Weasels Diplomacy club and past host of two WDCs--will be June 23-25 at the Diversey River Bowl in Chicago.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
26 May 17 UTC
WSJ article about collusion between GOP and Russians
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-alleged-russian-hacker-teamed-up-with-florida-gop-operative-1495724787

Yeah, I know that the WSJ is not conservative enough for some of y'all, but it is intriguing nonetheless. You know, the way journalists connect dots and shit.
24 replies
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ntrung670 (0 D X)
27 May 17 UTC
LIVE
JOIN QUICK!!!
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lalaland (0 D X)
26 May 17 UTC
One spot left live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=199465
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
24 May 17 UTC
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US intelligence leaks compromise UK terrorism investigation.
After the Manchester bombing, US intelligence has repeatedly leaked confidential information about the UK's investigation. Seems like US officers are taking after Trump.
Could you just fuck off instead please?
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RLH (132 D)
25 May 17 UTC
FtF Tournaments
Hello webdippers. Some of you know me already, but for those of you who don't, I'm an active FtF player, tournament-goer, and on the board of the North American Diplomacy Federation (NADF), which seeks to encourage FtF play, at both house games and tournaments, throughout North America.
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MajorMitchell (1033 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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US politics is now the best & worst "reality show" around today.
It's damaging the credibility and reputation of a once great nation
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Lex1 (100 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
Hey guys I'm going to start a new modern diplomacy game soon. If you want to sign up then please write your username followed by I WANT TO SIGN UP in all caps.
6 replies
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Jamiet99uk (35 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Who would you kill?
I was having a deep and thoughtful conversation with a beautiful friend and, to my slight surprise, they mentioned that they would be happy to assist with the killing and disposal of several individuals we both know.
44 replies
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Chaqa (2684 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
Need replacement for team game
Hey everyone, Team MOAB needs a replacement for Spain in gameID=197073. The only requirements are:
1. Use Google Hangouts
2. Be willing to drop MOAB on enemy
6 replies
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
24 May 17 UTC
Time to end Obama era sanctions on Russia?
Would it be better to let job creating trade flourish rather than hurting both countries economically? Can Russia be our friend?
85 replies
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
The Phillipines
Just because i've been away for a few days, somehow there is no thread about this... One news headline (paraphrased) 'ISIS captures city in Philipines!' Is rather click baity... But goes in to refer to the 'Most Catholic country in south east asia'.
6 replies
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Carebear (100 D)
25 May 17 UTC
ODC @ PDET - Assignments Out
The assignments went out 24 hours ago and some of you all have not yet picked up your messages. Please come on over and join your games. :D
3 replies
Open
Refusing to draw in established stalemate
Is there a rule that if stalemate is made and it lasts for 3 years with no changes in a sc count, draw can be forced, or something like that?
3 replies
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
25 May 17 UTC
On dna databases
http://www.nature.com/news/china-expands-dna-data-grab-in-troubled-western-region-1.22033

This is what colonial/state oppression looks like. As far as anarchist are concerned they are one and the same, the state oppresses its own people, the colonial empire oppress other peoples. In China they have this lovely grey area...
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brainbomb (474 D)
23 May 17 UTC
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Why is Terrorism the only time people feel a visceral response?
I noticed recently there was an incident where a man crashed his car into multiple people injuring many and killing someone. But because it was not terrorism, people did not seem motivated in the same manner against alcoholism as they would have if he were a terrorist. If he had indeed been from any Muslim country at all, and also under the influence of alcohol, one has to wonder if people would just automatically assume it was a terror plot.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
American reporter arrested for asking questions to Trump HHS Secretary
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/business/media/reporter-arrested-tom-price.html

Freedom of the press is an integral part of the 1st amendment. Just wondering how rightwing media handled or ignored this story about Dan Heyman, the reporter that was arrested for asking persistent questions to Tom Price, HHS Secretary.
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JECE (1322 D)
11 May 17 UTC
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On how PPSC scoring does not encourage players to throw games
In our recent discussion (threadID=1432961), many mods and fellow pillars of the community claimed that when you have two Great Powers in a game that have between 12 and 16 supply centers, one of these Great Powers has a (D) points-incentive to throw the game. I disagreed and this puzzled my fellow users, but only Lethologica took the bait when I explained my position. Here it is again:
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Oztra (30 D X)
25 Mar 17 UTC
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Bump
Because I'm a new pleb, I'm not sure what bump means.
I've been seeing people use it a lot, and am unsure of the context and meaning behind this phrase
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carder007s.com (0 D X)
23 May 17 UTC
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
Buy CC, Cvv , dumps Fullz of all countries
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Volmort (100 D)
22 May 17 UTC
Coast passing
Hi I have a question, can I move from mid-atlantic see to North Africa and next turn attack Tunis?

Or its prevented by coastal issues?
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Premise- War is a mechanism of tactics, diplomacy and cold hard cash. This version of the classic map intends to add the mechanism of economy to the game of diplomacy in a simple and easy to follow way.

Every country will have a vault, this vault must stay above 0* at all times (* = monetary unit) or that country will go into Civil Disorder. (not really just means the player will have to enter all holds until someone loans them the finances or they save enough to launch an offensive)

Each country starts with 400* except Russia and England who start with 500*

Players earn wealth by:
Conquering Supply Centers (whenever a center changes hands) - 200*
Occupying Supply Centers (maintaining control of a center through to the end of year) - 100*
Loans (players may loan wealth how they see fit, but can not guarantee a repayment)

Players spend wealth by:
Support Hold: 25*
Support Move:50*
Move: 100*
Convoy: 250*
Build: 200*

NOTES:
-Conquest and Occupation wealth are not compounded you earn one or the other
-Each unit involved in a convoy is counted separately. So a 3 fleet convoy of an army will cost 850* (if no supports are used)
-Civil Disorder goes into effect after build phase if you are in debt
-Loans must be expressed to the GM and will only be allotted at the following phase change.

Civil Disorder:
If a player goes into CD either through game mechanics or by their own irresponsibility all countries with a colored border with that country will be docked 100*
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
GM: Commander Byron

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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
phases will be 36 Hours
Full Press
non-anon
HDV

superkeiko (239 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Interesting? Do you get * even during spring phrase(by conquering SC)? What about bounce? It would seems to disincentives moving and creation of blocking unit(an unit that just sit around and hold)? Maybe this version would actually be good for compact countries like Turkey, Germany and Austria that home SC is next to each other.. If I was a corner country, I would just sit around, getting my war chest up, and then strike hard and fast, or loan money to finance foreign wars.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
all * is rewarded after fall phase but before builds. So lets say you Germany, you own Berlin Munich and Kiel and manage to take Denmark F 1901, you'd receive 500* that year. Since you started with 400* and (im assuming you moved all 3 units in spring and only moved one in fall and built a unit) then youd start 1902 with 300*.

The thought is every move must count, and you may have to wait to take a center because you don't have enough * to advance. This won't be easy and i expect a lot of interesting play. You may see a player loan * to an adversary to help them expand and take the pressure off them. You may see a player loan to an ally to help them advance. You may even see a player play turtle and just build wealth so they can buy their way forward. The possibilities are really great and id be excited to see what all of you do
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
To explain why England and Russia start with 100 more * : Russia has an extra unit and has to fight two fronts. Just like original game russia is given a slight advantage to help their handicap. England is handicapped by the addition of Convoys costing so much and so the extra 100* is to help with that initial cost.
Unstupid (696 D)
20 May 17 UTC
I would do it with significantly longer phases - it seems like a great idea. Wouldn't a gunboat version be even more interesting - maybe with published results of loans at the end of each season?
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
@Unstupid- 48hr phases?? I don't want to go too far with the phases just as i don't want the game to be much slower than it already will be. Would be interested in doing a GB version after the FP if there's enough interest.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
I'm interested, but I'm not sure I agree with a complete lack of in-game mechanism for repayment, meaning loans are truly just gifts. I get why, but still not sure if it would work at all.
What if you negotiate an interest as well, and a player is forced to pay all outstanding interest if they can, but any deals about repayment are not binding? Also, any debts toward defeated nations are cleared. And actually, they should also have the option to add the interest to their debt if the one who gave the money is ok with it. Or alternatively, it's up to the player whether they let their debt accumulate, but there is a debt ceiling per country they're borrowing money from, and they can never go beyond that ceiling.

I'm suggesting these things because they could show more accurately how too much debt can ruin a country and why lending out money can be good under certain circumstances.

Interest would add much more to the mechanics and clearly indicate the price of borrowing money.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Interest being semiannually is probably best.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Of course, you could still negotiate for a 0% interest loan.
Yoyoyozo (187 D)
20 May 17 UTC
England needs more than 500, or convoys are way too expensive.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Keep in mind that convoys against England are quite expensive too.
Yoyoyozo (187 D)
20 May 17 UTC
So? Yay extra safety but that doesn't mean anything when you can be denied any builds indefinitely.
superkeiko (239 D)
20 May 17 UTC
What about dislodgement, retreats, disband, and home SC rebuilds? Next, would be multiple route convoy, allied convoy, and allied support? Next, is when is * reconciled? So, is the loan phase before any moves? Or can I stab by lying about loaning, and don't loan to create a CD?
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
You can't be. Fleets can conquer too. Norway or Belgium may be conquered in year 1. Then you could continue expanding or start saving, as you wish.
superkeiko (239 D)
20 May 17 UTC
I am assuming you can't have more units than SC, right? Or, a country can just slowing saturate the broad and home areas with units, while slowing building wealth.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
You can't. It's still diplomacy apart from mentioned differences.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
To answer questions/issues:
-England convoy issue: England can still take centers using fleets and those should help fund convoys. Further the other nations have less * to start and so will have trouble getting 1901 builds past a solitary build. There is no way to perfectly balance (ever classic isn't balanced to start with) and a win will be determined by how a player handles their disadvantages with their advantages.

Loans are processed at the end of builds phase. Meaning if you message me and say "loan 50* to England" in Spring 1901 then England will not receive that until end of 1901 builds. You can retract your loan at any point until then.

No interest will be applied mainly to make the adjudication math easy on me and to keep the mechanism simple. Further in international politics there really isn't a 100% guarantee your loan will be payed back. It's a trust and leverage game. I loan 50^ because your CD will help my enemy and hurt me. Hopefully you'll repay the favor next year.

Retreats cost nothing as they are forced and neither do disbands. Home SC rebuilds? I assume you mean disbanding a unit to rebuild it, in this case the disband is free and the subsequent build will cost 200*

steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
I could do the ajudication math if you prefer. It's really really easy.

I still think it would be much better with interest, so I think I'm going to pass on this game if you insist on only having gifts and no loans.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
And no, there's no guarantee, but I think that due to the complete lack of consequences and lack of any kind of economic crises, for instance when someone borrows money and then is unable to pay interest or is defeated, I think it's not really an economic simulation anymore. That's my concern. Gifting money will be a tiny part of the game even though it could be massive, with people really able to get other people indebted to them if they play it right.
superkeiko (239 D)
20 May 17 UTC
You will need to play test it, but my tactical sense is that moving is too expensive relative to defending. In general, 1:3 ratio of defender to attacker is required to overcome resistance in real world. In the Classic no *, this is somewhat balanced since you win in a tie for defenders, and that sometimes the best defense is attacking to cut support. Here, an attacking requires a lot more than just holding.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Indeed. I think it's not necessarily a problem, but an aggressive campaign is going to cost a lot indeed. That's why I think loans should be with interest, because if I want to start an aggressive campaign, no one is just gonna hand me all that money. Countries would only hand me money if they get interest in return. Then, I need to think whether the gains from an aggressive campaign are worth the debts that I likely incur, how fast the investment pays back etc.

Without interest, there won't be many money transfers.
Claesar (4030 D Mod)
20 May 17 UTC
I'd be interested in a gunboat version.
Bladerunners (1361 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Sounds interesting. i think you should make it a diplomacy game though instead of a gunboat game
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22 May 17 UTC
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CommanderByron (869 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
Thanks Oztra. Bump.
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
Parameters:
Unranked FP
Non-anon
CommanderByron (869 D (S))
22 May 17 UTC
48 hr phases.
Kench (1249 D)
22 May 17 UTC
Sounds like an interesting experiment, I'm in.

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