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CommanderByron (654 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
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Namejeff (379 D)
22 May 17 UTC
GTA 7
Does anyone have GTA 12 that I can borrow for my comrade
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bobarctor1977 (255 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Would anyone be interested in joining a game with some friends of mine and I?
I have 3 friends that I would like to introduce to the game, but can't seem to talk anyone else into playing with us for a full Ancient Med game. Just a casual, low-bet game, probably 2 day turns.
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Hippopankake (0 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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leon1122 (193 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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German Man Imprisoned for 10 years for Holocaust Denial
See below
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brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Lawmaker threatened with Lynching after calling for Trumps impeachment.
http://www.ketv.com/article/racial-slurs-hurled-at-lawmaker-after-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/9901862
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
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Hehe, Trump just bowed to Saudi king and curtsied too
Just another example of Trump hypocrisy. He slammed Obama for merely bowing. The curtsy was bigly over the top.
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brainbomb (415 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Juggernaut is actually a horrible alliance
Despite the fearmongering ive seen in Press games about Juggernauts over the past 5 years ive been here...I cant help but note its low rate of success and how its paranoia often benefits France or England most. Please share games where Juggernauts fail miserably. But also include ones which work out in a 2wd (if there even is such a situtation)
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peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
24 Mar 17 UTC
Spring 2017 SoW Study Game
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Study Game: gameID=194603

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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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Mafia
It's been a while since the last game of Mafia. When does the next one start?
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brainbomb (415 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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Is it Treason to sympathize with the Confederacy?
Shouldnt it be treason to sympathize with the Confederacy? We fought a war and defeated them. Hundreds of thousands died more than any war fought by America. For people who still wish the south had won- chant the south shall rise again or fly its flags isnt this treason?
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TrPrado (372 D)
19 May 17 UTC
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What would you do if someone asked you to burn your house down for their cause?
Hauta (1598 D (S))
19 May 17 UTC
No one burned down Kentucky for sticking with the Union!
TrPrado (372 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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And? That's hardly relevant to Lee's decision. The Union asked him to go to war with Virginia i.e. burn down his home.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Would Virginia have seceded at all if Lee stayed with Lincoln?
Puddle (500 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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As a southerner, its honestly pretty simple. The people of the South fought one truly great war as the South. The fact that it was a war fundamentally for slavery, is an aspect of the culture and specific history of Southerners, and obviously colors the controversy, but is mostly immaterial to the why.

Southerners, like all people, fondly remember the time when they were at the most powerful, their most ascendant, their most energetic. All people memorialize their dead, even entire generations when a great war is lost or won, and the nation with it.

The people of the South were slavers, who gave up their mastery not willingly but by fact of force. Whenever a People is cast from their own power, and subsumed to a larger entity, their self-idealization tends to become frozen at the point were they were last in control of their own course and powerful.

Is it treason? Here and now? No. Southerners are not trying to secede, and even the people I know who are the "visible" supporters of the Confederacy, are not even remotely serious about it.

It's distasteful, certainly, for one's culture-heroes to be a generation of slavers pulling their countrymen along to a bloody war to preserve their grotesque way of life, but if that's you're history, that's your culture. Attempting to force or cajole Southerners to give up This aspect of their culture will only prolong the struggle. These heroes can only be replaced by new ones, and unfortunately the South is largely devoid of heroes.
TrPrado (372 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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"Would Virginia have seceded at all if Lee stayed with Lincoln?"

Yes. They did.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
As it turns out, Lincoln offered Lee command of the army on the day AFTER Virginia seceded. The firing on Fort Sumpter is what changed Virginia's vote from "stay" just 2 weeks earlier to "leave".

@Puddle, if the South wasn't constantly trying to suppress black votes and otherwise keep Blacks down, memorializing their dead would be much less of an issue. It is the combination of the 2 things that offends me -- as if they are trying to "win the peace" having lost the war.
Puddle (500 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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@Hauta, well Southerners are racist, they used to be slavers, what do you expect?

They definitely should not be left alone with their minorities (speaking about the populations as a whole), I'll say that.
eturnage (641 D (B))
20 May 17 UTC
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As I explained above, Jeff, logic compels the conclusion States may secede as they obviously have the power to secede.

The fact the Constitution does not have any special mechanism for the process is irrelevant. More relevant is the fact that the Constitution has no provision that the federal or central government may prohibit a State from seceding. If the power is not enumerated, then the States have it: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Amendment X.

Second, the right to secede is clearly implied by the constant reference to the United States in the plural throughout, 34 times in total, as "these several States." This confirms that the sovereign powers under our form of republican government are the States and we the people. The central government is not the sovereign.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
@eturnage, why don't you let the supreme court interpret the constitution? That is their job. I have no doubt they will find what they need to prohibit secession. Maybe the "necessary and proper" clause.
TrPrado (372 D)
20 May 17 UTC
@Hauta, individuals are allowed to have their own readings and interpretations of the Constitution, they just don't have legal weight. Texas v White occurred during Reconstriction, so it was never going to go any other way.

@eturnage, but at the exact same time, lacking a unified and consistent process that states can follow in the Constitution to secede, the federal government will have an easy excuse to view the secession as illegitimate.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
@Prado, the reasoning of the Supreme Court in Texas v White was that the Articles of Confederation literally called for a *perpetual* Union and that the Constitution was designed to strengthen that Union. So in response to @eturnage, the right to secede is given away from the state to the federal government upon admission to the Union. I can't see this decision going any other way today or anytime after the Civil War.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 May 17 UTC
technically any powers not expressed specifically for the federal government, are handed to the states. so wouldn't that mean technically each state has the legal right to secede?
brainbomb (415 D)
20 May 17 UTC
The problem with secession is the realization that overall sure it hurts the strength of the country but its far worse for the state. As soon as they revoke membership their citizens lose: social security, medicare, federal funding for schools, disaster relief, farm subsidy, airport security, drug enfircement, jails/prisons and so much more. Its political suicide for any states other than texas - cali - or maybe florida.

Alternatively I could see alaska being okay with little govt aid
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Calling for a PERPETUAL Union IS an express transfer of power.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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@Puddle

you do realize that a small fraction of the people in the south ACTUALLY owned slaves: correct? the racism was usually indirect, as it would be people in the lowest socioeconomic class, while still being "above" slavery, who had nothing better to do than to shout down upon slaves. Others sympathized, but neither group had any actual control on slavery.

Then you also have another demographic in the mountainous areas of the south, where there was virtually no slavery, and little state control. here we see MANY accounts of slaves escaping to, and not even continuing north to the union. these places even supported the Union during the war.

to paint every southerner as a racist, and every northerner as a non-racist is very flawed. racism was deeply ingrained in the culture, the problem being addressed was the abolition of slavery.

you had openly racist men in the north still saying that there was no right to slavery for the south, and people in the south who denounced slavery in the south who still fought for the confederacy.

it's a really interesting time in our history, that requires a lot more research and insight. the problem is that there wasn't a true dichotomy between the north and the south in terms of culture.
JamesYanik (548 D)
20 May 17 UTC
@Hauta

but we have the Supremacy clause, so the articles, when conflicting with the constitution, become void.
brainbomb (415 D)
20 May 17 UTC
If a state like West Virginia decided to secede what would really happen?
Theyd be completely fucked - totally land locked by a country they just left on all sides. They could maybe survive mining coal but selling it to who? And how? All america would need to do is build a wall around them like were doing to mexico and say oh... yea its a no fly zone around and in all ways to get there too.

And boom
Desire to secede gone
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
@Yanik, where's the conflict? The right to secede was already given away. 10th Amendment merely prevented transfer of any additional rights. Further, check out this link:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nakrnsm/26169011284

It awesomely describes why this confederate monument was erected. Very much is said about preserving slavery and very little about the lives lost.
TrPrado (372 D)
20 May 17 UTC
The preamble of the Comstitution doesn't actually hold legal weight, Hauta.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Why not? Anything that gives context to the text can be used by the Supreme Court. Texas v White is the law of the land and has not been reversed. Accordingly, the constitution is currently still written to prohibit secession. Maybe one day that decision will be reversed. Until then, no secession is EXACTLY what the constitution says (or necessarily implies).
TrPrado (372 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Giving context to the document doesn't mean that it prescribes or denies specific rights to or from the states.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Context is used to interpret the text. It's the way laws are interpreted. Check with a lawyer.
eturnage (641 D (B))
21 May 17 UTC
@Hauta, of course the courts of the central government would rule States have no right to secede. The US Supreme Court is part of the federal government. It naturally aligns with central authority. The SCOTUS has been f'ed up since Marshall wrote Marbury v Madison.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
@eturnage, interesting take but bear in mind that the states could always amend the constitution to take the power back.
TrPrado (372 D)
21 May 17 UTC
And should, in this case. But that'll be a while.


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Crazy Anglican (277 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Dresden Files rpg
Anybody here played it or better yet GM'ed it?
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Fluminator (511 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Should otherkin be forced to give up their human rights?
Are there any otherkin on this site? I'm genuinely curious to understand this culture more. If you identify as something non-human, do you think you have a right to get the privileges that all humans deserve? Or do you believe you're in a separate category and thus have different standards and base rules to start off with?
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Hippopankake (0 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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Fat backstab (100 D)
15 May 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy
I feel this would be a much better game if you destroyed all of the thots accounts
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
15 May 17 UTC
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Trump hands highly classified information to the Russians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.ef65b5b012be

What a liability this man is.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
16 May 17 UTC
Hillary's secret agenda
Someone made a comment that they voted for Trump because they were worried about Hillary's secret agenda. What was she going to do that was so bad?
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CAPT Brad (2044 D (B))
17 May 17 UTC
Why Should Hillary Have Been Elected President
Explain concrete reasons why.
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TrPrado (372 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Betty Shelby Found Not Guilty of Manslaughter
I'm just left wondering how the DA bungled what should have been an open-shut conviction.
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
13 May 17 UTC
Does .999... equal to 1?
I'm drunk and I havent seen this thread in a while. What do you guys think?
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peterlund (1320 D (G))
18 May 17 UTC
Robert Mueller my hero!
At last you are getting something right over there. Put that traitor into prison where he belongs!
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DemonOverlord (555 D)
16 May 17 UTC
WDC
Is in Oxford this year. Anyone going?
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WyattS14 (0 D)
16 May 17 UTC
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History of The Entire World, I Guess
If you haven't watched this video, I urge you to do so right now. (And let's start a discussion, why not? I'd like to hear what Zmaj and James have to say.
https://youtu.be/xuCn8ux2gbs
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stranger (601 D)
17 May 17 UTC
convoy rules
If my opponent moves his army from Tuscany to Piedmont and I convoy my Piedmont army to Tuscany via the gulf of lyons at the same time, will they swap places?
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rojimy1123 (612 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Chris Cornell, 1964-2017
My inner teenager is crying. RIP.
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Jacob63831 (293 D)
16 May 17 UTC
What is the meaning of life?
Is it Memes?
Is it Bill Cosby?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 May 17 UTC
Interesting read
I'd like to hear what the right wing thinkers (and not trolls) think of this article, as well as the liberals here.

Mostly a criticism of market liberalism: https://jacobinmag.com/2017/05/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood-trump-abortion-theocracy
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wasdok (0 D X)
18 May 17 UTC
SSD AUTOMATIC CHEMICAL SOLUTION FOR
SSD AUTOMATIC CHEMICAL SOLUTION FOR CLEANING DEFACED
ssdsolutionlab1@gmail.com

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orathaic (1009 D (B))
17 May 17 UTC
Tax dodging and capital flight
Ok, this youtube video discusses it. In brief, company extracts mineral wealth, sells for a low price to parent company based in a tax haven, declares no/very little profit. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ocm42ytXto )
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
12 May 17 UTC
Probably not in the Bible but...
Before Jesus took over John's ministry what did people think of the fact that a man in his upper 20s wasn't married and had no children? Wouldn't that have been exceedingly rare at the time?
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