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CommanderByron (654 D (S))
20 May 17 UTC
Gauging Interest: Econ-Dip
See Inside
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Namejeff (379 D)
22 May 17 UTC
GTA 7
Does anyone have GTA 12 that I can borrow for my comrade
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bobarctor1977 (255 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Would anyone be interested in joining a game with some friends of mine and I?
I have 3 friends that I would like to introduce to the game, but can't seem to talk anyone else into playing with us for a full Ancient Med game. Just a casual, low-bet game, probably 2 day turns.
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Hippopankake (0 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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leon1122 (193 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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German Man Imprisoned for 10 years for Holocaust Denial
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ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
@Hauta: The Progressive movement has a history of eugenics and racism.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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Can you like provide examples and evidence of this? And prove its excusive only to one political idealogy.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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You seem to be defining racism but not explaining what that definition is.
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
sure I'll get some links for you.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
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@ND, that is a similar argument to why I should no longer venerate Washington and Jefferson: because if something has a flaw, you want to throw out the accomplishment that they achieved for all of us. Even if the progressive movement had flaws, it is known for its accomplishments -- and before you yell "gotcha Robert E Lee". Lee's accomplishment was to further the goals of slavery...a taint that cannot be washed clean.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Must be some HUGE links. Its taking this long to copy paste affirmative evidence the democratic party is a party that supports racism and eugenics. Bombshell findings inbound that will fracture the Dems for 10,000 years to come
CAPT Brad (2044 D (B))
21 May 17 UTC
Some people here are all keyed up
Jamiet99uk (60 D)
21 May 17 UTC
They're the best links. They're great. Everyone knows ND has the best links.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
I was expecting something so horrific that I would have to change my political idealogy. I refuse to support racism and eugenics. Im just glad the Republican party and all its constituents are perfect - ordained by god - and free from any historical wrongdoing.

If I ended up supporting the wrong side of history id be pretty ashamed when I have to bear my sins before god someday.

"IM SO SORRY JESUS, I just didnt know that tax cuts for the wealthy was your one true will"
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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Progressive Movement Links:

Princeton University research on Eugenics: https://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/papers/retrospectives.pdf

National Review:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445615/progressive-eugenics-charles-murray-middlebury-students-nordic-stock-woodrow-wilson

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

Progressive Movement/Sterilization
http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

More on Eugenics:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/racism-eugenics-and-the-progressive-movement/

Salon
http://www.salon.com/2006/03/04/bruinius/

New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/article/128144/dark-history-liberal-reform

Progressive Movement -Racism-
NY Post: http://nypost.com/2016/03/21/the-progressive-movements-horrible-racist-history/

http://study.com/academy/lesson/african-americans-in-the-progressive-era-issues-leaders.html

https://mises.org/library/progressive-era-economics-and-legacy-jim-crow

This is just a small sampling about the Progressive Movement. As you can see the Progressives were really big racists, eugenicists, and into forced sterilization, etc.

I hope this enlightened all of you "progressives" about your dark history associated with racism, sterilization, and eugenics. This stuff makes me sick. Some real sicko progressives.
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
@Brain and @Jamie: Not laughing so hard any more are you... god this stuff is sick. Just sick.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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http://www.uvm.edu/~lkaelber/eugenics/

"American eugenics refers inter alia to compulsory sterilization laws adopted by over 30 states that led to more than 60,000 sterilizations of disabled individuals. Many of these individuals were sterilized because of a disability: they were mentally disabled or ill, or belonged to socially disadvantaged groups living on the margins of society. "

I read this entire link and found no link to the Democratic party of today or of then.


http://nypost.com/2016/03/21/the-progressive-movements-horrible-racist-history/

Read this and it made me ashamed Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat. Sounds like he was a racist douche. As was the rest of the party at the time. Still not sure if this has even 1 Iota of relevance to today or if you just want to harken back to the time where uniquely in history the Republican party was less bigoted.

https://mises.org/library/progressive-era-economics-and-legacy-jim-crow

Went to this site more about why Woodrow Wilson was horrible, why Jim Crow laws were terrible . Then the article strangely tries to claim democrats went after Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb and that this was comparable to sterilization and racism. Interesting?

Here is where the article tries to sell its point saying modern liberal thinking is identical to the progressive era:

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Government cannot regulate an increasing supply of goods into existence, period; it only can reduce that supply because regulation adds costs to production and the distribution of goods.

Progressive Policy as an Extension of Jim Crow

So, where does Progressivism and Jim Crow fit into this picture? The answer is disarmingly simple, yet rejected even by modern black Progressives who seemingly have embraced the very economic doctrines that help hold back African-American economic progress.

Regulation by government by definition restricts economic output, thus creating economic rents that are distributed, at least in part, on a political basis. Thus, people who are best politically-connected will be at the head of the line and those not connected will be at the back. It is that simple. The history of Progressive labor laws, especially those from earlier in the twentieth century, are a history of blatant attempts by powerful white labor unions to legislate black workers out of the workplace altogether."

Implication is that social democracy only rewards the people well connected and first in line. Simply a silly argument. But ill let you explain why its true.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Is this what you think Democrats are?
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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My point was about the progressive movement when did I mention.. Democrats?

brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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Ohhhhh you were just trying to give us a history lesson that bears no resemblence to todays liberal agenda whatsoever. Got it. Thanks honey
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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My point is about how the Progressive movement has a dark racial legacy tied to sterilizations, racism, and eugenics and anyone who uses that label should know what they are labeling themselves.

The Republican party on the other hand fought a war to end slavery, tyranny, and fought for all people's rights under the constitution for 150+ years.
brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Who did the end tyranny for?
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
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Um they destroyed the Confederate Government many of which were part of the Southern Democratic Party in 1865.
ND (706 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Did you forget about Honest Abe (R) ??
leon1122 (193 D)
22 May 17 UTC
"Well, the policies during TR's era would seem reactionary by today's standards, but if you point was that the Republican Party should adopt the progressive spirit that TR demonstrated, then I agree with you @leon."

No, I mean I like the actual policies, not the "progressive spirit", though back in the day progressives were actually the biggest proponents of Voter ID, which they seem to have abandoned now that it no longer benefits them. I like Teddy's position on the environment more than that of the present day Republican Party. I'm pretty sure the Republican Party also wasn't as accepting of gay marriage, drugs, etc. back then.
Jeff Kuta (2086 D)
22 May 17 UTC
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Which is also part of the appeal to leon1122.


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brainbomb (415 D)
21 May 17 UTC
Lawmaker threatened with Lynching after calling for Trumps impeachment.
http://www.ketv.com/article/racial-slurs-hurled-at-lawmaker-after-calling-for-trumps-impeachment/9901862
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 May 17 UTC
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Hehe, Trump just bowed to Saudi king and curtsied too
Just another example of Trump hypocrisy. He slammed Obama for merely bowing. The curtsy was bigly over the top.
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brainbomb (415 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Juggernaut is actually a horrible alliance
Despite the fearmongering ive seen in Press games about Juggernauts over the past 5 years ive been here...I cant help but note its low rate of success and how its paranoia often benefits France or England most. Please share games where Juggernauts fail miserably. But also include ones which work out in a 2wd (if there even is such a situtation)
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peterwiggin (14943 D (S))
24 Mar 17 UTC
Spring 2017 SoW Study Game
This thread is for commentary and discussion on the spring 2017 School of War Study Game: gameID=194603

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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
20 May 17 UTC
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Mafia
It's been a while since the last game of Mafia. When does the next one start?
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brainbomb (415 D)
18 May 17 UTC
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Is it Treason to sympathize with the Confederacy?
Shouldnt it be treason to sympathize with the Confederacy? We fought a war and defeated them. Hundreds of thousands died more than any war fought by America. For people who still wish the south had won- chant the south shall rise again or fly its flags isnt this treason?
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Crazy Anglican (277 D)
20 May 17 UTC
Dresden Files rpg
Anybody here played it or better yet GM'ed it?
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Fluminator (511 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Should otherkin be forced to give up their human rights?
Are there any otherkin on this site? I'm genuinely curious to understand this culture more. If you identify as something non-human, do you think you have a right to get the privileges that all humans deserve? Or do you believe you're in a separate category and thus have different standards and base rules to start off with?
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Hippopankake (0 D)
20 May 17 UTC
New game
I'm thinking about making a game where you have to have a war goal and a justification for going to war similar to paradox games thoughts ?
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Fat backstab (100 D)
15 May 17 UTC
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WebDiplomacy
I feel this would be a much better game if you destroyed all of the thots accounts
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Jamiet99uk (60 D)
15 May 17 UTC
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Trump hands highly classified information to the Russians
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?tid=ss_fb&utm_term=.ef65b5b012be

What a liability this man is.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
16 May 17 UTC
Hillary's secret agenda
Someone made a comment that they voted for Trump because they were worried about Hillary's secret agenda. What was she going to do that was so bad?
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CAPT Brad (2044 D (B))
17 May 17 UTC
Why Should Hillary Have Been Elected President
Explain concrete reasons why.
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TrPrado (372 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Betty Shelby Found Not Guilty of Manslaughter
I'm just left wondering how the DA bungled what should have been an open-shut conviction.
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Yoyoyozo (7536 D)
13 May 17 UTC
Does .999... equal to 1?
I'm drunk and I havent seen this thread in a while. What do you guys think?
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peterlund (1320 D (G))
18 May 17 UTC
Robert Mueller my hero!
At last you are getting something right over there. Put that traitor into prison where he belongs!
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DemonOverlord (555 D)
16 May 17 UTC
WDC
Is in Oxford this year. Anyone going?
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WyattS14 (0 D)
16 May 17 UTC
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History of The Entire World, I Guess
If you haven't watched this video, I urge you to do so right now. (And let's start a discussion, why not? I'd like to hear what Zmaj and James have to say.
https://youtu.be/xuCn8ux2gbs
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stranger (601 D)
17 May 17 UTC
convoy rules
If my opponent moves his army from Tuscany to Piedmont and I convoy my Piedmont army to Tuscany via the gulf of lyons at the same time, will they swap places?
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rojimy1123 (612 D)
18 May 17 UTC
Chris Cornell, 1964-2017
My inner teenager is crying. RIP.
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Jacob63831 (293 D)
16 May 17 UTC
What is the meaning of life?
Is it Memes?
Is it Bill Cosby?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 May 17 UTC
Interesting read
I'd like to hear what the right wing thinkers (and not trolls) think of this article, as well as the liberals here.

Mostly a criticism of market liberalism: https://jacobinmag.com/2017/05/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood-trump-abortion-theocracy
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wasdok (0 D X)
18 May 17 UTC
SSD AUTOMATIC CHEMICAL SOLUTION FOR
SSD AUTOMATIC CHEMICAL SOLUTION FOR CLEANING DEFACED
ssdsolutionlab1@gmail.com

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orathaic (1009 D (B))
17 May 17 UTC
Tax dodging and capital flight
Ok, this youtube video discusses it. In brief, company extracts mineral wealth, sells for a low price to parent company based in a tax haven, declares no/very little profit. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ocm42ytXto )
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
12 May 17 UTC
Probably not in the Bible but...
Before Jesus took over John's ministry what did people think of the fact that a man in his upper 20s wasn't married and had no children? Wouldn't that have been exceedingly rare at the time?
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