NYJ@NE: Patriots win as the Jets dance around on the sidelines since Mark Sanchez is out for the year.

CAR@BUF: E.J. Manuel gets people talking about the ROTY award and the Bills win a shootout.

CLE@BAL: Uhh... Ravens.

MIN@CHI: The Bears showed off once and they aren't done yet. Chicago pulls one out.

DAL@KC: No, Obi, you're probably right. Alex Smith torches the Cowboys and KC takes a tie for first place in the division two weeks into the season!

WAS@GB: The Redskins sucked on Monday night. Even when they were playing well, it was when the Eagles were playing poorly. Green Bay wins

TEN@HOU: I would call this a blowout, but these division games are always close. Texans pull off the comeback.

MIA@IND: Andrew Luck is well on his way to winning MVP. Ironically it's gonna be Peyton that beats him. But the Colts still win.

SD@PHI: Since Obi meant SD@PHI, I'll pick the Eagles. Their offense is only gonna get better.

STL@ATL: Atlanta should win easily but St. Louis is vastly improved and keeps it close but can't pull it out.

DET@ARI: The Cardinals are better than I thought they'd be, but so are the Lions, and the Lions win.

NO@TB: The Saints are just too much. Close game.

DEN@NYG: Peyton is 2-0 against Eli. Peyton threw 7 TDs last week. Eli threw three picks. It's a QB's game now, Peyton wins again.

JAC@OAK: This is a fucking toilet bowl game. Who fuckin cares. Raiders win because the Jaguars are the worst team in NFL history (that's right, Lions fans).

SF@SEA: San Francisco looked better last week, but Seattle comes out with a vengeance and wins.

CIN@PIT: The Steelers suck. Cincy wins.

Cincy gets on the winning track now that they have gotten their poor first day record out of the way, Super Bowl charge starts here ;)

NYJ@NE: NE
CAR@BUF: CAR
CLE@BAL: BAL
MIN@CHI: CHI
DAL@KC: DAL
WAS@GB: GB
TEN@HOU: HOU
MIA@IND: IND
SD@PHI: PHI
STL@ATL: ATL
DET@ARI: ARI
NO@TB: NO
DEN@NYG: DEN
JAC@OAK: OAK
SF@SEA: SF
CIN@PIT: CIN

NYJ@NE: NE
CAR@BUF: CAR
CLE@BAL: BAL
MIN@CHI: CHI
DAL@KC: KC
WAS@GB: WAS
TEN@HOU: HOU
MIA@IND: MIA
SD@PHI: PHI
STL@ATL: ATL
DET@ARI: DET
NO@TB: NO
DEN@NYG: DEN
JAC@OAK: OAK
SF@SEA: SF
CIN@PIT: PIT

NYJ@NE: Pats should have this one easily.
CAR@BUF: Buffalo in a surprise win
CLE@BAL: Ravens
MIN@CHI: AP gets over 100 yards, ut Bears still win. Ponder has a horrible day.
DAL@KC: Chiefs in a surprise win.
WAS@GB: Was. RG3 reminds people why he was so exciting last year.
TEN@HOU: Texans
MIA@IND: Colts.
SF@PHI: Eagles
STL@ATL: Atl easily.
DET@ARI: Cardinals win in a close game.
NO@TB: Saints, but it's a close game.
DEN@NYG: Giants in a shoot out between brothers.
JAC@OAK: Jac
SF@SEA: Sea in a home town victory.
CIN@PIT: Bengals prove they're playoff contenders with a win on MNF.

@Obi really you want the Vikings to win? Are you crazy?

Sure, why not?

Besides, I have a friend who's a Vikings fan...so as long as AP isn't shredding the 49ers defense, why shouldn't I root for the Vikings?

They hate the Packers...the Niners hate the Packers (as it should be! Packers/Cowboys/49ers, THAT'S the NFC I grew up with, that awesome 3-way rivalry, and John Madden with Pat Summerall...at least half the Sunday afternoons of the year they'd be calling a game with one of those 3 teams...and then of course they'd call their playoff games, too.)

NYJ@NE: If this was at NY I might give the Jets a chance...the Pats are a shell of themselves right now...Patsies for the win
CAR@BUF: Buffalo & Manuel have the better all around team...
CLE@BAL: BAL - So tempted to pick the upset here...but CLE laid an egg last week...and BAL is pissed off...
MIN@CHI: Chicago lights up the Vikes secondary
DAL@KC: KC comes away with a win...and the axe starts swinging for Garrett and Romo...
WAS@GB: The Pack are pissed after another blown call...and are at home...
TEN@HOU: Texans rout the Titans
MIA@IND: Colts have their Luck...and it continues...
SD@PHI: The Chargers give away another one...Phily manages to open hot and heavy...
STL@ATL: Atlanta bounces back despite the pesky Rams...
DET@ARI: Los Cardinales use the home field advantage to get in the win column
NO@TB: This one is no contest...and Freeman moves closer to the unemployment line...
DEN@NYG: I will pick Manning for the win. The one with all those wonderful weapons. The G-Men will have to look to next week for their first win.
JAC@OAK: Jax goes into the black hole and never comes out...Pryor gets his first win.
SF@SEA: Hawks use their noise advantage to beat the Niners.
CIN@PIT: Sorry Steelers fans...this is going to be a long season. Bungles correct the problems from last week and this game is over by halftime.

The Jets are making it interesting...13-10 Patriots in the 14th, but the Jets have the ball and are driving...

We ALL picked the Jets--perhaps they're out to screw us all over? :p

How are they in the 14th?

Why do people care about human cockfighting?

It's a late game, Draug...I guess Goodell decided to do away with ties as well! ;)

Two promising late drives by the Jets killed by interceptions, and that looks like it might be the difference...tough break for the Jets.

Obi I picked the Pats. So not everyone picked the Jets.

MAN I've been fucking up on this thread today, lol--

I meant we all picked the Pats, I picked them too.

The Pats fans are being real assholes about booing these injured Jets players staying down like that...I get they think they're faking, but come on, if they're actually injured, that's just dickish.

@Obi: You acknowledged that they might be faking their injuries. Its nothing short of being a bad sport; It stops the clock and essentially gave the Jets a time out when they were out of time outs.

Its bullshit, its cheating and the fans were right to boo it.

On the other hand, it looks like we pulled through for the win. I never thought I'd say this, but the Pats defence won us this game.

Our offence was nothing short of disappointing. Our rookie receivers need to step it up if we want to keep winning. There's no way Freeman is throwing 3 interceptions next week, and dropping a few of those easy passes next game could be the difference between victory and defeat.

A win is a win, and so I'm glad we pulled through. #GOPATS

Yeah, but come on, Fasces...

Suppose those injuries were legit--then your fellow Pats fans will have just acted like Grade-A assholes.

And the Pats defense won them PLENTY of games...6-10 years ago, anyway.

The Dynasty Era Patriots defense was GOOD, I'd argue that that's what really made that team a contender after Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Wasn't the receivers, those came and went...wasn't the running backs...and even when the offense was good, often they still has plenty to work with and a great cushion courtesy of that defense.

Brady couldn't win a Super Bowl after Vinatieri left...

And he can't win one now that Ty Law and Mike Vrabel and Tedy Bruschi and all those good guys from the Dynasty Pats teams are long gone.

Another reason I'll always argue Montana was the better QB:

He won before Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, and John Taylor, and he won with them.
He won before a lot of the players on the '88 and '89 squads arrived, and he won with them.
He won in 1989 when his 49ers were arguably the best team this side of the '78 Steelers, '72 Dolphins and '85 Bears (and I exclude the '07 Pats there, sorry, but the players will be the first to say it--losing the Super Bowl knocks you down a peg...if they'd won you could've made a strong case they were the best team of all time, but great teams FINISH.)
AND he won in 1981, when he was just a 3rd year nobody, when all he had was Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, and Ronnie Lott on defense.

He was on arguably the best offensive team ever, and on one of the great Cinderella teams ever.

Joe Montana--best QB of all-time...

The only argument I could really entertain vs. Montana would be Elway, given that he made it so many times and did so much with so little, if he'd had just a bit more help he'd have had three or four rings easily...but Montana beat Elway in a SB, so that breaks any tie there for me.

Favre and Peyton Manning will probably be tied with one another by the time Peyton's done...

Marino was great, but he never won a SB...

And then if you wanted to go REALLY old school you could argue for Johnny Unitas, but that was such a different game in Unitas' heyday of the 1950s and early 1960s that I think he's better left as an asterisk off to the side, the #1 of the pre-Super Bowl era (and yeah, he played into the SB era, but he wasn't the same player.)

Aaaaaaand that's my pointless aside on the Greatest QB Ever Controversy...

Goodnight, everybody! ;)

NYJ@NE: Disappointed I missed this game, since I think I am in first right now ;) but oh well
CAR@BUF: Tough choice here. I'm going CAROLINA as I think the patriots just might not be that good on offense (GASP)
CLE@BAL: BALTIMORE. Did anyone else watch them get embarrassed? Oh, it was on national TV? Coming out with a vengeance
MIN@CHI: DA BEARS roll in this one. I'm calling double digit victory
DAL@KC: COWBOYS because I'm not sure I'm buying the Alex Smith train
WAS@GB: PACKERS jump all over the redskins. The redskins will score, but not nearly enough
TEN@HOU: TEXANS take care of business at home, and especially after looking sloppy
MIA@IND: I'm taking the upset here. I take that back haha. INDIANAPOLIS wins but barely
SD@PHI: Kelly's offense off to a 2-0 start, but some of that is the competition. EAGLES
STL@ATL: ATLANTA wins in the dome
DET@ARI: Tough pick again. ARIZONA but only because I want them to win haha
NO@TB: NEW ORLEANS comes out on top. Does anyone doubt Brees?
DEN@NYG: Peyton proves he is the better brother. DENVER
JAC@OAK: Pryor scampers to his first victory. Shocking. RAIDERS
SF@SEA: Tough to go into Seattle, but I'm not sure I'm buying what the Seahawks are selling. SAN FRANCISCO
CIN@PIT: I'm going CINCINNATI here. Steelers are all washed up imho.

Time for the webdiplomacy's annual Greatest QB of all time debate. See earlier renditions of the debate here:
2011: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=669854&page-thread=3#threadPager
2012: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=822953&page-thread=1#threadPager

NYJ@NE: Well, it's a bit too late I suppose, but PATRIOTS were going to win 99 times out of 100
CAR@BUF: I like how competitive Buffalo was in the last game against the Pats. I'll go with the BILLS on a hunch
CLE@BAL: RAVENS show the world that they're not bad, Peyton's just that good.
MIN@CHI: BEARS in an easy win, though Peterson gets 100+ yards against them
DAL@KC: Hmm...as much as I hate to say it (and would like to see otherwise) COWBOYS win because they have so much more talent on their team
WAS@GB: PACKERS beat the 'skins and keep the world wondering about RGIII
TEN@HOU: TEXANS win in an easy game
MIA@IND: COLTS beat Miami, but I only say that because they're playing at home
SD@PHI: Eagles are *not* *that* *good*. The NFL adopts to new schemes quickly and if San Diego can go toe to toe with the Texans, then I say CHARGERS win here
STL@ATL: An interesting game. I say RAMS win for my upset of the week
DET@ARI: Another close game, but I really like the CARDINALS with Palmer at head. Poor Detroit
NO@TB: SAINTS win in an absolute blowout that makes people wonder why football is played in Florida
DEN@NYG: Sigh....no, I can't even root for my own team here. BRONCOS absolutely demolish the Giants
JAC@OAK: RAIDERS I suppose
SF@SEA: Ooooh, a good game here. But the 49ERS have far far too many weapons
CIN@PIT: BENGALS win and show the world who is best in the AFC North

As a quick aside--

What are everyone's "alternate conference" teams, as it were?

That is, if you love an NFC team...who are your back-up AFC teams that you like?
And vice versa, if you root for an AFC team, who are your 2nd-string NFC favorites?

I love my 49ers...

When they're not on or in contention, I like to root for the Steelers and Jets in the AFC.

The Steelers for being the sort of classy and (historically) defense-oriented Yin to the Niners (historically) offense-oriented Yang...

Mean Joe Green and the Steel Curtain vs. Cool Joe Montana and the Walsh West Coast...

THAT would be the Super Bowl to end all Super Bowls! :)

And then I want to live in NYC someday (New York or San Fran) and I can't root for the Giants, so I like the Jets...they're sort of the Mets of the NFL...

Plus I remember liking them in the Vinny Testaverde years.

CAR@BUF: Bills at home after a promising week 1. I like BUF.
CLE@BAL: Ravens aren't great, but the Browns aren't even bad. They're awful. Ravens in a walk.
MIN@CHI: Vikes eek out a close but low scoring win.
DAL@KC: After escaping with a lucky win against NY, Dallas' luck runs out and lose on a last minute drive by KC.
WAS@GB: GB takes out its frustration from last week on the hapless Team-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named
TEN@HOU: Titans played messy but their defense won the day against Pit. They won't have such an easy time but I think they'll pull off another upset. TEN is my dark horse to make the wild card round.
MIA@IND: IND continues to walk through their early schedule.
SD@PHI: Probably a shootout since neither team plays defense, but I'll pick SD.
STL@ATL: ATL grabs the win in another high scoring game.
DET@ARI: Detroit wins, but barely after Suh gets himself thrown out for making a routine tackle.
NO@TB: I like GF's prediction so I"ll go with his - SAINTS win in an absolute blowout that makes people wonder why football is played in Florida
DEN@NYG: No matter who wins, the loser is Cooper Manning. How'd he end up with the short end of the gene stick?
JAC@OAK: Do the Jags play the Browns this season? Otherwise, this is the worst matchup on the whole schedule. I don't really give a shit. We all lose.
SF@SEA: I'd like to see a defensive battle, so that's how I"ll predict the game. SEA in a 17-13 win.
CIN@PIT: CIN is winning this division, starting with this game.

I don't have a back up team. Every super bowl, regardless of who is playing, I root for the AFC team.

You seemed like the type who would like the Steelers, Obi...

I don't really have a backup team either. I pretty much root for Da Bears, and when they go out, which is typically way too early, I get pissed and root against everyone else. I guess if I had to pick one I'd probably pick the Bengals, just because I like their uniforms haha, but I tend to root NFC no matter what.

All.
Of.
My.
Sadness.

*SIGH*

Terrible game played...the defense did alright for their part, but the coaching, every aspect of the offense, the lack of focus, bad playcalling, stupid penalties...awful. Just awful.

Don't worry. The Giants choked pretty awfully in starting about 10 minutes into the third quarter.

But before that, what a great 40 minutes of football.

^^Meaning I feel your pain, obi.

Hmm, 11-4 so far. Not a bad week

*taunts obi*

I love this new Seattle having decent teams thing.