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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Aug 12 UTC
eCigarettes
So, my cousin came to visit and he's close to being a chain smoker. While visiting, he was using an eCigarette, which he said was pretty decent. Do people think these will start becoming more popular than cigarettes? Do people think eCigarettes will cause a resurgence of smoking in newer generations?
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NigelFarage (567 D)
23 Aug 12 UTC
Bans
So, just a general curiosity question: what are the different ban reasons and their explanations? I know by now what multis and metagaming are, and that users can have their account frozen if they die, but, for example, what is an auto, and how does it work? Are there any other unusual ban reasons? I think I've seen other ones I didn't understand before, but I don't remember them now
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Aug 12 UTC
Here's one for discussion...
Assisted death. I believe in it for reasons explained in the article.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Is Plura still around?
I noticed a comment on it under FAQ>Bugs, but it directs me to an additional section which I can't find.

Not sure if I'm still just opted out or if Kestas did away with it.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
23 Aug 12 UTC
High Pot Ancient Med Gunboat 2 Day Phase
Anyone up for it?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
An Immodest Proposal Or, Why We Can't Have Nice Things (Or Threads)
Most every time those of us who actually want to have a level-headed, mature, adult conversation about a topic regarding politics, religion, or pretty much anything in general, certain radical, dogmatic, absolutist fanatics seem to come along and hijack the threads and drive them straight into the ground with immature, infantile, and utterly worthless posts that completely derail the thread, denouncing any and all who disagree and ruining the integrity of the Forum. So...
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
Fortress Game 2!
since the first game is finished, let's start another!
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AverageWhiteBoy (314 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
The Century of the Self (WATCH BEFORE COMMENTING!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prTarrgvkjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD0XCZu57ww
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDrmsvdXqdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSMx7djYJU
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
21 Aug 12 UTC
I'm not one for gossip but .......
..... I never trusted these two, shifty eyes

Dagabs was banned: Multi.
Nightfire was banned: Multi.
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AverageWhiteBoy (314 D)
19 Aug 12 UTC
"Legitimate Rape"
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php
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krellin (80 DX)
23 Aug 12 UTC
Why Gun Control is *Impossible*
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/08/23/wiki-weapon-project-aims-to-create-a-gun-anyone-can-3 D-print-at-home/
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Ender's Shame--Orson Scott Card, Homophobia, and...Hamlet?
WOW. I'm an idiot. For someone who devotes so much time to literature...WOW did I miss that one...I read "Ender's Game" years ago, never thought anything more of it or of Scott Card, except to praise him occasionally for what I thought (and still think) was some good writing that might just be canonized someday...but WOW--Orson Scott Card. Huge Homophobe. I'm extremely disappointed to hear that, and hear it so far after the fact, and that he's taken that into HAMLET...
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Conservative Man (100 D)
23 Aug 12 UTC
Was it moral or immoral for Robin Hood to steal from the rich and give to the poor?
Otherwise known as socialism vs capitalism.

I'm going to remain silent and neutral on this one, at least for now. I am leaning towards capitalism though right now.
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Conservative Man (100 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
Some homework help please?
I should know how to do this, but for some reason I can't remember for the life of me what I should do for the first step. So, the problem is: Find the limit as x approaches 1 of (x-1)/((((x^2)+3)^0.5) - 2). I tried to multiply by the conjugate of the denominator to get rid of the root down there, but that seemed to be a dead end.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
21 Aug 12 UTC
Top 50 WTA-FP GR
Looking for one more to join a 48hr, WTA, FP game starting after labour day
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
22 Aug 12 UTC
EoG: The lost continent
gameID=97882 The continent has been lost. A good draw demolished by an inane Turkey. What a waste of time.
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eskel96 (693 D)
23 Aug 12 UTC
game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97917
hey everyone join this game 24 hr game, 7 pt buy in no password full press
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President Eden (2750 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Police report: AR handcuffed left-handed man shoots self in right temple
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2012/aug/21/suicide-ruling-doesnt-end-questions-arkansas-cop-c/
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
Fortress Game EOG
good game all!

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=95682&msgCountryID=0
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akilies (861 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
Your latest thoughts on the BPL
Arguments (or as some people call them "conversations") about politics, religion and other such topics are not enjoyable to me, so i decided to start a fun forum thread. and hey if it gets ugly, a soccer(football) riot is more exciting than some sort of political capslock slugfest :)
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
17 Aug 12 UTC
Your political party is falling apart...
...and you just became your new party chairman. What do you do to your party's platform to start winning elections? (This thread is mostly aimed at the Americans on here, but anyone can join this discussion)
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Aug 12 UTC
They All Ruled, But Who "Ruled?" Best Kings, Queens, Presidents.,Emperors, PMs, Etc.
So many (WIDELY) different political takes here, and takes on what makes a good leader from a bad one...Best/Worst World Leaders/Rulers of all-time, then? (One thing--this is evaluating Best Rulers and NOT necessarily Best Military Geniuses, so with the Alexanders/Caesars/Napoleons, I suppose, gauge accordingly...certainly wars won can factor in, but let's not have it be the sole factor, eh? Also, battlefield success BEFORE becoming ruler doesn't count.)
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Democrat and Republican Voters ALIKE...Anyone Notice...
That when something happens that lands one Party/member of a Party in trouble (case in point, the "legitimate rape" and super-secret-pregnancy-stopping powers Akin apparently thinks women have) folks will say "Oh, sure, attack Party A, well, what about Party B, huh?"
Can't we just agree, regardless of Party affiliation, that a stupid, offensive statement is a stupid, offensive statement?
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Diplo Beast
started a game 5 min phase called Diplo Beast
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
need an emergency Italy, the strongest player on the board...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97828
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Stressedlines (1559 D)
17 Aug 12 UTC
DC shooting
So, another shooting and...............
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Tuesday Gunboatin' EoG
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97820

Organized and efficient F-G coming at us and AH continues to attack Turkey. What gives?
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stranger (525 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
Julian Assange
To me as a european, it seems like both liberals and conservatives in the US are against Freedom of information and free speech. I don´t aim to generalize, I am just asking myself about the points of politicians who are against Julian Assange, the inmyopinion great journalist.
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC

To respond to redhouse specifically;

It is possible that I may have misinterpreted some of your statements. If so I apologize. If will attempt to explain.

1) Firstly, regarding leaking "all" government secrets. You said that there need to be *some* government secrets, and semck invoked a clearly silly example where releasing information would serve no clear purpose except to get a human-rights advocate killed. My view is that this doomsday analysis of wikileaks is at odds with reality.

2) Secondly, regarding hypocrisy:

You said that they should have stuck with exposing Kenyan corruption, and stopped with that, but instead offended the sensibilities of people living in democracies like yourself.
One of the repeated tropes about wikileaks criticisms is that "the worst human rights violations are in other countries, so why have they picked on freedom-loving America!?" I guess I thought your comment was reminiscent of that criticism.

3) Finally, regarding "it could cost people's lives".
It is true. Releasing the documents could potentially have endangered informants whose names had not been successfully redacted. Due diligence was not exercised. But also recognized that the American commission of anti-insurgent campaigns in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan have ACTUALLY killed many, many innocent people. One of the only reasons that we know the extent of civilian deaths is because released documents revealed that military casualties do things like assume that all dead military age males in an area were enemy combatants, and then report that. By making it difficult to cover these killings up, the US military has been forced to be much more careful and discriminatory. I think it is absolutely plausible to interpret that more lives have been saved than endangered, both in there, and in many other countries across the world.

Transparency is a powerful thing.
This is going back a bit in the thread but
"Politicians should not have secrets. In order to know who is best to represent us as the people, we need to be enabled to know everything about them, not just the things they want us to know. At least, we have to make good decisions at the very few elections executed. "

If Wikileaks were only publishing stuff on politicians, then Assange would be my man, but that's not what it does. It illegally obtains classified material from the Department of Defense and Department of State and publishes it. I don't care if it was given it to them, but releasing and publishing classified material is a crime. Wikileaks has done irreparable damage to our diplomatic corps and now our ambassadors and FSO's abroad can't even be frank in their cables back to DC. This means that the United States might not be making completely informed decisions in its foreign policy. Its kinda like turning a Full Press game into a partial public press game, where everyone can see Germany's press, but Germany can't see anyone else's.
" I think it is absolutely plausible to interpret that more lives have been saved than endangered, both in there, and in many other countries across the world."

It matters which lives are saved. Its a shame that people must die, but as an American I would have avoiding American deaths as priority #1. Everything else comes secondary, and if wikileaks has jeopardized are ability to keep Americans safe, then I am against it.
semck83 (229 D(B))
20 Aug 12 UTC
"and semck invoked a clearly silly example where releasing information would serve no clear purpose except to get a human-rights advocate killed. My view is that this doomsday analysis of wikileaks is at odds with reality."

Um, I invoked an actual example that has in fact happened.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
Conversely goldfinger...

I tend to think that protecting the most number of innocent lives, and preventing the most amount of injustice possible should be the highest goal of any foreign policy or political enterprise. Our disagreement on this indeed colours our disagreement about whether wikileaks is a valuable organization.
@FS - my second post was in regards to US actions in a war zone, such as Afghanistan, not to US foreign policy in general, if that clears any of our disagreement up
Friendly Sword (636 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
Who were you referencing semck? Shi Tao? Because that wasn't wikileaks fault, it was clear yahoo.... I am genuinely unaware of a situation where wikileaks released information about a human rights advocate working in a repressive country that got them killed or imprisoned.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
"One of the repeated tropes about wikileaks criticisms is that "the worst human rights violations are in other countries, so why have they picked on freedom-loving America!?" I guess I thought your comment was reminiscent of that criticism."

-I meant that the example you cited, where a corrupt Kenyan official was exposed, was a good example because the official was corrupt, not because the official was Kenyan.

Obviously.

Apology accepted, but next time let's debate what is *actually* being said.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
To be fair, the parameters of this 'debate' are unclear to me. I tend to think that while wikileaks has made mistakes, but by existing and by spawning a number of offshoots (like openleaks, which are far more open-source and discretionary in their release of information) wikileaks in the aggregate has made the world a better place and should be celebrated for that reason.

I presume you have a different position on this; do you think that wikileaks mistakes outweigh everything else?
semck83 (229 D(B))
20 Aug 12 UTC
FS, the person I'm thinking of escaped hours ahead of the police, because his handlers were tipped off immediately about the wikileaks dump. As he's still in hiding that's all I'll say.

But let's look at the real "advatnage" of some of the wikileaks in, say, Kenya. You say it's caused this great good by showing the human rights violations there. Well, why exactly? So that people could agitate and their governments would do stuff about it, yeah? Well guess what? Your government already knew the stuff and was trying to do stuff about it, only to have their networks completely disrupted by wikileaks. So here is the actual cost/benefit analysis:

Con: the people on the ground in Kenya trying to help Kenyans were arrested, killed, or had to flee.

Pro: hipsters in America could have their curiosity sated and feel good about going around trying to spur action.

This doesn't seem very close to an even break to me.

Now in fairness, some of the information from Kenya was novel to wikileaks (i.e., provided directly to them by human rights workers, for publication). That stuff? Sure. But the lack of any discretion underscores their irresponsibility. In particular, it makes me completely fine with any legal persecution they face, because as I see it, it's wholly justified, both legally and morally.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
To add to what I said above, I don't seriously believe the US military will be more prudent "because possibly, the cable I'm going to send now is going to be revealed to Wikileaks". In fact, I think the OPPOSITE could be true: the US military becoming LESS open about what they're doing because what they're doing might be selectively unveiled and hence badly portray what these military are doing. And that might open up the door to more innocent people dying; nobody dares to report it anymore.

I *hope* you Yankees have some kind of thing called "military law" and "competent military leaders" who can take intelligent, careful and balanced decisions about what to do right?

I'll say it for the last time, and very slowly.

I. didn't. vote. for. Julian. Assange.

Therefore, I don't want him to reveal my government's (the Dutch government) secrets EVER. We have perfectly qualified, democratically elected people and democratically governed institutions to do that, thank you very much.
Maniac (189 D(B))
20 Aug 12 UTC
@redhouse, I didn't vote for any journalist and would sooner none of them printed the intimate details of celebrities affairs but I have to live with it because I value the times when they expose corruption in public office. If journos didn't expose corruption who will?

Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Aug 12 UTC
Maniac is right. Wikileaks will expose information whether you want it or not, Dutch loser. Nobody voted for Robin Hood either.
Has Assange even been formally accused of a crime yet? My last reading was that he was "wanted in connection" with a sexual assault case, but that the Swedish government hadn't pressed any charges.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
"We have perfectly qualified, democratically elected people and democratically governed institutions to do that, thank you very much."

I'm glad you have such confidence in your leaders. Here in America, only the truly delusional feel that way about our government, which nearly everyone acknowledges is corrupt, deceitful, and incompetent (at the very least, when the "other" party is in power). I for one am quite pleased that Assange is disinfecting the halls of power with a brilliant blast of sunshine, exposing some of the terrible misdeeds that have been committed in my name and at my expense.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
@Maniac, that is true, but once again you're talking about exposing corruption, I don't mind corruption being exposed, I mind state security secrets that could bring people's lives in danger being exposed.
@PE, I don't know, but I believe he should be.
@Tolstoy, I'm also glad I have such confidence in my leaders. I am not delusional though. There is a difference between government and parliament, and I have enough faith in parliament, even when the government screws up.
Nice one:-
http://order-order.com/2012/08/21/6500-reward-to-set-off-ecuador-embassy-fire-alarm/
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Aug 12 UTC
I really didn't want to get into this, but @stranger is just so blatantly wrong.

Re: Freedom of Information Act. That applies to official government documents only, not communiques between amabassadors of our countries and other countries. Would you like it if the Freedom of Information Act force dyou to turn over all your private emails? Public people still have private lives and amabassadors have to be free to do their job (they aren't elected officials) without concern for reproach. Tell you what. Let's play a game of Diplomacy and you have to post every one of your communications with any other nation on the public chat while all the other nations keep theirs private (because you have the Freedom of Information Act but Italy doesn't).

Re: National Security - Spies and special forces operatives got outed. It endangered their lives and the missions they were working on.

The US has a long standing tradition of *responsible* journalism. That is, not reporting national secrets and troops movements and stuff. Ass(hole)ange has no such compunction to *responsible* journalism.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Aug 12 UTC
@Eden - Sweden doesn't press charges in abstentia. They prefer the person being charged to be present at the time of the charges. If extradited to Sweden, they would arrest him and press charges at that exact moment. Different legal system.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
American *responsible* journalism is not genuine journalism. Reporting on the Iraq war by simply parroting the military press releases was embarrassing to the profession. It takes assholes and rule-breakers to actually do proper investigative and groundbreaking journalism. Scandals aren't discovered and revealed by mild-mannered gentlemen who play by the rules.
fulhamish (4134 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Was Daniel Ellsberg a ''responsible'' journalist? Time seems to be a great healer in his case

With Assange it appears to be that many people for prefer to stick their fingers in their ears and pretend it is not really happening, at least for now.


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The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
19 Aug 12 UTC
California Team Needs A Replacement Player for In-Progress World Cup Tournament
We are looking for a non-live, full press, WTA player for the Full Press 2 game in the championship round. The game has not yet started. Ideally, you are a strong player from California. Failing that, lip service that California is better than wherever you live probably would suffice.

Interested persons should PM me.
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smcbride1983 (517 D)
20 Aug 12 UTC
Any Microbiologists on here?
I am just curious. I am starting a Master's program next week, and wanted to know if there were any other Microbiologists in research or industry out here in Webdip land.
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