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stratagos (3269 D(S))
03 Nov 11 UTC
Chainsaw Diplomacy Public Press
Any of you idiots capable of processing the simple concept? Details inside..
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
03 Nov 11 UTC
Minor Car Trouble
So, I've been having a little trouble with my car and I'm trying to fix it myself without going to a shop. So far, my attempts haven't been successful and my internet searches have been less than helpful. I thought someone here may be able to give me some tips. Details inside.

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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Nov 11 UTC
The Top 10 Most Important Battles of All-Time
Pretty self-explanatory...if you want to try and rank your picks, bonus points.
I WILL give one caveat--all of my picks ARE slanted towards the West, that's just my bias...don't know enough Eastern Theatre battles to really include many, and those that do make my list are because the West drove back the East...so you can include Eastern battles--please do!--but I don't known them, so can't include them. Let the War of the Words begin! :)
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ulytau (541 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
But Mongolia is still excellent in Asia, second only to Taiwan if we disregard island microstates.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
Freedom House, people take those spooks seriously?
ulytau (541 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
I just looked on the wiki to see the rating, don't know what they stand for. The page also said they were charged with anti-Marxist bias during the 80s while simultaneously being charged for a left-wing bias. I'm not really interested in finding out who was more right then, though, these ratings are not really my cup of tea.
Sicarius (673 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
...and cajamarca?
ulytau (541 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
I regard it more as a success of subterfuge and ensuing massacre than a proper battle. Basically unarmed Incas facing a steel ladden conquistadors with cannons, firearms and horses.
Sicarius (673 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
So our criteria for a battle includes how fair it was?
@Sicarius - the criteria doesn't have much to do with fairness, but there is a correlation. Say one side is virtually guaranteed to win. What's the big point if they won? They would have sooner or later. That's why I don't see the fall of Constantinople as a big deal, favoring the battles or Yarmouk and Manzikert that occured hundreds of years earlier and were battle which, had they gone a different way, would have changed history. If the Byzantines survived the siege in 1453, they would have been put under siege 20 years later and the city would fall then, etc.
ulytau (541 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
That's a valid point, we don't. I meant the fact that the battle was won before it even began since Pizzaro made sure Incas wouldn't have weapons. From all the battles mentioned, this one was simply impossible to lose, heck the only wound Spaniards suffered was when Pizzaro guarded Atahualpa from his soldier's blade. But I guess that doesn't disqualify it as a battle so yep, that was an important one. Still wouldn't rate it as a top 10, though.
ulytau (541 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
And the reason why it isn't in the top is what goldfinger wrote. Some battles were decisive moments, others were a inevitable result of some forces. This one is somewhere between. If Pizzaro managed to screw up and die (almost impossible) Incas could overcome their crisis and could hold on for much longer. The probability of not being colonized in the long term would be still slim though.
Sicarius (673 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
I dont think pizzaro had anything at all to do with the incas not having weapons at the battle when atahuallpa. As I recall It was a poor descision on the part of atahuallpa and having nothing to do with pizzaro (a show of force I beleive). ah here it is

"Pizarro gathered his officers on the evening of November 15 and outlined a scheme that recalled memories of Cortés' exploits in Mexico in its audacity: he would capture the emperor from within the midst of his own armies. Since this could not realistically be accomplished in an open field, Pizarro invited the Inca to Cajamarca. According to the chroniclers, no one slept that night and some even "wet themselves in their terror".

Atahualpa accepted this invitation. Leading a procession of over eighty thousand men, he advanced down the hillside very slowly the next day. Pizarro's fortunes changed dramatically in the late afternoon when Atahualpa announced that the greater part of his host would set up camp outside the walls of the city. He requested that accommodations be provided only for himself and his retinue, which would forsake its weapons in a sign of amity and absolute confidence."

If this is a thread about almosts and so closes then I think this fits the bill amazingly well.
It basically boils down to pizzaro and his band of... urine soaked men lol, lucking the fuck out, atahuallpa being overconfident. Lets just say atahuallpa decided not to make his soldiers wear ceremonial woven armor and carry no weapons. one single decision by one single man. does anyone here belive that 160 odd men (even with horses and primitive firearms) could defeat 80,000 well trained soldiers from a trans-continental empire, fresh from a civil war victory?
If this battle had gone differently, I think the history of S. America would have played out very differently indeed.
lionhearted (503 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
Julius Caesar crossing the Rubicon - while not a battle - deserves an honorable mention.

In Asia, Admiral Yi Sun-Sin beating the Toyotomi Naval Forces stopped Japan from conquering Korea and China... you might have had a pan-Japanese East Asia if not, and the world would have looked very different. It also triggered the decline of Toyotomi and led to Tokugawa Ieyasu being able to wrest wrest power decisively away at Sekigahara 3 years later, and the Tokugawa government had Japan go isolationist for the next 250 years. Very, very different world if Admiral Yi doesn't cut the Japanese supply lines at sea, since they had dominance on land in Korea.
lionhearted (503 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
Also, nobody realized quite how important it was at the time, but Muhammad's conquest of Mecca from the Quraysh turned out to be a really big deal.
bill777 (100 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
Lionhearted, I thought I was the only one on here who recognized the importance of that event.


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President Eden (2750 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
WHOOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAAAAAAH
You only wish your team won the most epic college football game of all time.
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ChadDC (615 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
Political Propaganda Help!
Hey guys and gals out there! My name is Chad, and I am making a request to all you out there who are interested: Want to help me run for "President?"
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Ges (292 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
12-hr Classic WTA Gunboat, 10 pt. buy-in
gameID=71558

Two players needed in a day.
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trip (696 D(B))
05 Nov 11 UTC
Chew on this...
Tettleton's Chew, utilize this thread by posting new topics of discussion here and only here.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
04 Nov 11 UTC
One thousand
gameID=71433
PM me for password.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
13 Oct 11 UTC
George Will is priceless
George Will is rarely matched as a political commentator. His column on the Occupy Wall Street bunch is unforgettable.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Oct 11 UTC
Positive Rights Foolishness
Many foolish individuals in these forums post positive rights ideology.
What a worthless, destructive point of view.
Look at what it has done to Europe since the end of WWII.
God help us save American from this lunacy.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
03 Nov 11 UTC
Slavoj Zizek on Charlie Rose
One of the best philosophers around. If you didn't catch the Charlie Rose episode with Slavoj then treat yourself,
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11966#
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Tiamat (0 DX)
04 Nov 11 UTC
Fresh Meat
Hey everybody. I just came across this site when looking for diplomacy tactics...I have to say it might definitely be worth my time. Since I'm a new guy at this site, how do I start playing a game with other people?
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fulhamish (4134 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
Darmstadtium (Ds), roentgenium (Rg) and copernicium (Cn)
I see that we have three new elements to add to the Periodic Table.
I just wonder is it really appropriate to call these fleetingly present nuclear bodies elemental?
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
05 Nov 11 UTC
Clear Air Turbulence
gameID=71500. No in-game messaging, Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all, 30 D buy-in.
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Marti the Bruce (100 D)
06 Nov 11 UTC
Sydney FC
I know most here are not Australian, nor football supporters, but the Sky Blues had a most fantastic and heroic victory tonight over Gold Coast United. 3-2 at the death. Karol Kisel scores a penalty at 90+3mins! Brilliant!
Discuss.....lol
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Draugnar (0 DX)
01 Nov 11 UTC
ACORN's at it again...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/?intcmp=obinsite

Doesn't surprise me one bit...
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AverageWhiteBoy (314 D)
04 Nov 11 UTC
Seven best fictional characters to play Diplomacy together
Who knows, maybe this'll become a tournament or something.
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President Eden (2750 D)
05 Nov 11 UTC
Hey guys, let's be nicer to newer gunboaters.
I've been going through and updating my stats on my profile page so I can show my record in full, partial and no press (and update messages/game), and so I got to see how well I played in gunboat to start. Guess what I found?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Nov 11 UTC
The Failure of European Socialism
We are living in historic times. Right before our eyes the failed model of European socialism is collapsing. The only question is what will exist in its ruins? The senseless youth violence in England, and the self-pitying protests of you Frenchmen do not bode well for the continents decaying culture.
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dubjamaica (0 DX)
04 Nov 11 UTC
free booze
gameID=71510 join if you want free booze
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
04 Nov 11 UTC
Google Easter Egg- Do a barrel roll
What fun. I love easter eggs. Type in do a barrel roll n google and it will. Also Z or R twice works as a tribute to starfox.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
11 Oct 11 UTC
The Importance of Enrtrepreneurship
This is something that socialists, marxists, and statists do not comprehend, the importance of entrepreneurship to economic growth.
In fact entrepreneurship is the only advantage the United States has on the rest of the world.
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GinoKay (249 D)
04 Nov 11 UTC
11-SC Argentina replacement needed
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martinck1 (4464 D(S))
03 Nov 11 UTC
The 47% Game
See below
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yujufrazer (100 D)
04 Nov 11 UTC
Help
http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=71205&turn=5&mapType=large

K here is our map. my question is, if i move my boat from the english channel to the northsea with support from norwegian sea. but he moves his boat from north sea to BEL, with support from Hol, would my move stop his move or at least cut support?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Nov 11 UTC
Herman Cain & Bill Clinton
How can a decade old accusation of sexual harassment against Herman Cain even be an issue in American politics after all the liberals dismissed Bill Clinton's adultery with a member of the staff in the White House as being completely irrelevant to his job as president.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
10 Oct 11 UTC
How the World Really Works II
Since so many don't understand how the world around them works this thread is crucial.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Oct 11 UTC
Lower Taxes=More Revenue
The 28% tax on long-term capital gains brought in only $36.9 billion a year from 1987 to 1997, according to the Treasury Department, while the 15% tax brought in $96.8 billion a year from 2004 to 2007.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904194604576583151431651920.html
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DonXavier (1341 D)
04 Nov 11 UTC
1 more for 200 point buy in
Ancient Med
1 more player
200 point buy in
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71261
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
03 Nov 11 UTC
Let's Assume
You're France in S01 and Italy moves to Piedmont while Marseilles moved to Spain and Paris to Picardy along with Brest-MAO. Barring any real diplomacy that has gone on, are you more likely to return to Marseilles in the fall assuming Italy will attack it, or list a hold order assuming a bluff?
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