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chanter (104 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Could a moderator please unpause this game?
Gabgirl hasn't been online for quite a while.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7115
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Centurian (3257 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Convoy Order Backwards?
Support moves are always "to" first and then "from" second while convoys are "from" first and "to" second.
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kcor (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
noobish game
Come in to a noobish game, love all aout history ,politics,military espeacily,and i created a game...i can usy some player to teach and play with me.....

that all..4now.....
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aoe3rules (949 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Non-sword jokes
On no particular topic. This first list I'm posting is mostly from Wanda the Fish (I think some might be from Jyte or things I've heard, but mostly not).
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RBerenguel (334 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Again!
It is working! Thanks Kestas
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Citycas (100 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
very fast game
A 1 hour turn around game - very quick, but it only 5 points in so it doesn't matter if you miss a turn or two.


http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7942
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klynch427 (1696 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Join New Game - 50 pts PPSC
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7936

Let's get this started. Experienced players and newbies welcomed. Why play for only 5 points when it's more fun with 50 on the line?
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MrPhil42 (168 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Speedy_January - http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7939
Quick game with 8 hour turns, feel free to come and join:-

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7939
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Vart (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
/Mute player.
Hi, I'm in the game titled "Spectrograph Reading of the Varying Phantom Freque" and there's this guy whose nick is BESM, and he doesn't shut up.
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Just curious.
What thread had the most posts? I'd like a moderator to tell me, but you're welcome to tell what the longest thread you remember is.
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Praetorean (100 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Player will not unpause game
Hi,

In the game 1st Apocalypse (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7837), 'Adorno', the Austria-Hungary player has not responded to our requests to unpause the game.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
Porn Industry seeks $5 billion for bailout
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global financial crisis continues: Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said Wednesday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout of the adult entertainment industry.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
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airborne (154 D)
07 Jan 09 UTC
Some Odd and maybe even new opening (opening series)
Well our 10 hour pause gave me time to write this article.
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DipperDon (6457 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
How many active players?
Is there an easy way to know how many players are currently active in a game?

And Is there an easy way to know how many Hall of Fame players are currently active?
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Signalseven (116 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Need a Mod - Bug with Unit Placement
In the game http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7581 I'm Russia and I took both Con and Smyrna from Turkey. But because of a bug somehow Turkey was able to retreat each of the units in those spots into the other spot which destroyed my unit but still gave me control of the Area. At first I thought it was a graphical bug bu Turkey had to disband one of the units in question and now has a unit where he shouldn't.
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DonXavier (1341 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
need last move checked
our last move was handled incorrectly...
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7815
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Please, can a mod unpause the game KaOsGaMe
Here is the link: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7805
The game was paused for multi-accounting - and now we have a CD (GER) and a missing player (AUS). The other 5 people have unpaused.
Thank you!
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aoe3rules (949 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
What about the best city you have ever been to?
Either Geneva or Zürich; both are in Switzerland.
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oldbenjamin (1412 D)
09 Jan 09 UTC
Unit-Placing Speed-Up
Why do countries with 0 SCs left have to enter moves to disband? People rarely do it and the game takes another day or however long...

Also, when a unit has no choice to disband, why must orders be entered?
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
What about the Worst City you have ever been to?
Lagos- Nigeria
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Chalks (488 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Pinin' for the Fjords?!
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7919
80 point buy in, ppsc. It'll be fun!
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sagittarius (0 DX)
09 Jan 09 UTC
pause problem
game: 1st apocalypse. is still paused. austria aka adorno refuses to unpause. i am not to benefit, but pl unpause game. rest of us tired of waiting when everyone submitted orders
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S.P.A.O. (655 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
here's another filler question
Just out of curiosity, how many who use this site are proficient in any type programming language?
which is your favorite?
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jenspo (1242 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
don't for get Prolog and Beta
Chalks (488 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
@Katsarephat
I looked at it once... it's aptly named. :(
positron (1160 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
NXT-G, RoboLab, and others.
Imperator Dux (603 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
I'm still learning Java
Imperator Dux (603 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
NXT-G? Isn't that a program for the Lego Mindstorm, and not a programming language?
Zilph (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Kat, I keep meaning to attempt Brainfuck and Lolcode (or whatever it's actually called). Imperator, NXT-G is a programming language for the Lego Mindstorm. Jenspo, that's awesome. Rberenguel, you're incredibly hardcore and I envy you your existence.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Quite a few, but most notably the web set - PHP/JS/HTML/CSS/SVG. I know technically none of them are programming languages, but it gives the right idea.
sceptic_ka (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
I use a combination of C, C++, perl, TCL and Bash scripting for my current project, if you count the website, a Java applet that records your voice and submits it to a server for analysis then also Java and PHP.
RBerenguel (334 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
I know by name and some detail a few of those esoteric ones (bf, whitespace, Shakespeare, Mondrian) but nothing to do in them.

@Zilph: C is what I was taught, Pascal what I learned as a child (also Basic), Lisp out of being a freak (but now I love it, although I have only done simple things on it), Scheme is so Lisp-y that it has no problems out of it, PS is quite easy if you know what RPL is. Java was also taught (well, I needed to know Java in a week, so I forced me into), assembler idem. I know some Python (barely the basics) and also like it quite a lot. I dislike Perl for what little I know (just made a Hello World one). C++... is C with objects, the problem is using them properly. And I don't need to, as my programs need to run as fast as they can with some balance in time I spent writing them (C, not asm then).
In order, starting in 1971:-
CESIL,
BASIC,
Coral66,
Assembler,
Pascal,
C,
Modular2,
C++,
C#,
Perl

C is my favourite by a mile.

Oh, and Borland Builder was better than any compiler environment MS has ever produced.
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
08 Jan 09 UTC
I like PHP for the web, C#(&VBA) for windows stuff, Perl&sh for console/admin/glue things

Re:brainfuck I wrote a BF interpreter for my graphics calc in high school, always fun to mess around with :-)

Also who are all you slackers who can code PHP but arent adding features to the site? :-P forum.phpdiplomacy.net
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
08 Jan 09 UTC
phpdiplomacy.net/developers.php is probably a more appropriate URL actually
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Java, C#, C++, ASP.NET, SQL, COBOL, 360/370 Assembly, x86 Assembly, Pascal, Lotus Domino/LotusScript, VB, T-SQL, C, Javascript, VBScript, and the list goes on and on.

My day-to-day is C#.NET/ASP.NET/Javascript...
Zilph (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Hey Kestas, hope you're doing all right. :-)

Speaker2Aliens is also teh hardcorez, for knowing Cesil and Basic, but also for liking the Borland compiler. Serious props.
Lisp is where it's at (specifically, Clojure), everything else is a pale imitation. Although I've heard good things about Haskell, has anybody tried it?
Giwald (521 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Did a lot of Basic, Pascal, Delphi in the distant past, and some Fortran and Java later. Now it's mostly C, Perl, PHP, Postscript. If you want to count html/css, sure, those too.
philcore (317 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
@SpeakerToAliens: There was a time when C++ Builder was better than VC (VC5 &6 days) but since VS 7 and the creation of .net M$ has gotten it right. Visual Studio 2003 and above have since been even better than the best version of Builder I ever worked with.

@Zilph - ASP isn't some archaic language like COBOL and FORTRAN. It only came out in like 1996 as web programming language
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Hardcore for knowing BASIC? Are you for real? I agree CESIL and liking the Borland compilers gives him props (I learned Pascal using Borland Pascal), but BASIC? Back in the early 80s, thats all they taught in high school. Heck I took that on an old DEC PDP 7 and an Apple II+, IIe, and Atari 800. Took it again (no test out) in college on a Tandy TRS-80 and original IBM PC (pre XT). BASIC's not hardcore.
philcore (317 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
I learned pascal on a Vax using what ever command line editor was available on that worthless VMS environment. I kept wanting to use the vi keystrokes.
fortknox (2059 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
I'm a Java Architect, professionally.

As far as the goto comments:
If you have a well crafted OO design, you won't have a need for gotos or major nested if/then/else or switch statements (there are exceptions, but few).
Lizard (224 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Delphi&Python
I used Brainfuck&asm in my last computer science test :-)
philcore (317 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
@fortknox - I agree. But there are times that one of my pet peaves (which I think is simply a way of hiding a goto, and surely no better) is a lot cleaner than it's alternative. Take the following:

while (true) // Not a loop
{
if (!Condition1)
break;
//do stuff

if (!Condition2)
break;
//do stuff

if (Condition3)
break;
//do stuff

if (!Condition4 || Condition5)
break;
//dostuff

break;
}



See it's guaranteed not to loop, yet it's in a looping construct to make the logic simple to code (but not to follow)

I've refactored dozens of these because to me the first comment says it all - "//Not a loop" - "then WHY THE HELL did you put it in a looping construct??" I always scream at my computer.

but you should see some of the refactorings - the nesting can get quite deep and actually harder to follow.
fortknox (2059 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
@philcore That looks like a poor algorithm, but you are right. As I said, there are exceptions, just not many of them...
goto's aren't the end of the world (some would be surprised to find that a lot of code gets compiled down INTO gotos (well, jumps) at the assembly level)... but the fear of raptors does keep developers at bay...
Imperator Dux (603 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
@Zilph, no it IS a program, not a language. It is just dragging icons of the actions you want to use into a chain with a few simple logic modifier icons. I've used that program, and it does NOT constitute a programming language.
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Philcore, that same thing could have been done with a method/procedure construct.

In C#

public static void Main() {
ThisIsAProc();
}

protected void ThisIsAProc() {
if (Condition1) return

}
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Jan 09 UTC
just keep putting the conditions in with their returns and all the stuff you want to do when the conditions aren't met.
Jefe (100 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
Wow! VAX/VMS, FORTRAN . . . lots of old people like me on here!

I too loved Borland's C++Builder, but I think they have moved backwards. Their interface takes more effort than it used to. I have not seen Visual Studio lately to know if it has truly improved. I've always been amazed at Microsoft's ability to pretend good ideas don't exist at other companies.
@Zilph - Thankyou.

@Philcore - I currently use VC++ 2008 and I *still* prefer Borland Builder for Windows programming.

@Draugnar - I learned CESIL in 1971 and BASIC in 1972 at school, programming by punching holes out of IBM cards using a pen-like stylus. At college I built a micro-processor out of discrete components (status register, instruction decoder, RAM address decoder, Arithmetic Logic Unit), programmed in machine code using switches for input and lights for output. I also wrote a BASIC compiler and linker in assembler. That was all a long time ago.
philcore (317 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
@Draugnar - but there are 5 different conditions to test for, that would mean 5 different methods, and in the original you needed the local data, so that means passing a bunch of parameters to each method - still not very clean. Especially considering the "//do stuff" might have just been one more API call using the results from above, then comparing it to see if you can continue.

I see your point, but in the cases I was refering to, it was cleaner to just nest the ifs like the logic implied anyway.

Here's one example that just uses M$ APIs to convert from UTC time to LocalTime and the conditions are the success of the APIs (ignore the dots, I put them in there because this forum strips out spaces - I realize this wont compie as is ;-)

/* *** OLD WAY *** */
bool UTCToLocalTime1(const COleDateTime& dtUTC, COleDateTime& dtLocal)
{
....SYSTEMTIME sysTimeLocal, sysTimeUTC;
....FILETIME fileTimeLocal, fileTimeUTC;
....bool.... bRetVal = false;

....do // This is not a loop.
....{
........if (false == dtUTC.GetAsSystemTime(sysTimeUTC))
........{
............break;
........}
........
........if (false == SystemTimeToFileTime(&sysTimeUTC, &fileTimeUTC))
........{
............break;
........}

........if (false == FileTimeToLocalFileTime(&fileTimeUTC, &fileTimeLocal))
........{
............break;
........}

........if (false == FileTimeToSystemTime(&fileTimeLocal, &sysTimeLocal))
........{
............break;
........}

........dtLocal = sysTimeLocal;
........bRetVal = true;
....}
....while(false);

....return bRetVal;
}


/* *** NEW WAY *** */
bool UTCToLocalTime2(const COleDateTime& dtUTC, COleDateTime& dtLocal)
{
....SYSTEMTIME sysTimeLocal, sysTimeUTC;
....FILETIME fileTimeLocal, fileTimeUTC;
....bool.... bRetVal = false;

....if (dtUTC.GetAsSystemTime(sysTimeUTC)) //Get System time
........if (SystemTimeToFileTime(&sysTimeUTC, &fileTimeUTC)) //Convert to File Time
............if (FileTimeToLocalFileTime(&fileTimeUTC, &fileTimeLocal)) //This is the one that actually performs the UTC conversion
................if (FileTimeToSystemTime(&fileTimeLocal, &sysTimeLocal)) //Convert back to system time
................{
....................bRetVal = true;
....................dtLocal = sysTimeLocal;
................}

....return bRetVal;
}


There might be a simpler way to accomplish the task, that's not the point. The point is, that in this case there was nothing really to extract into a seperate function that would have simplified the code at all.
philcore (317 D(S))
08 Jan 09 UTC
I probably should have left out the comments on the refactored version, it woulda look pertier:

bool UTCToLocalTime2(const COleDateTime& dtUTC, COleDateTime& dtLocal)
{
....SYSTEMTIME sysTimeLocal, sysTimeUTC;
....FILETIME fileTimeLocal, fileTimeUTC;
....bool.... bRetVal = false;

....if (dtUTC.GetAsSystemTime(sysTimeUTC))
........if (SystemTimeToFileTime(&sysTimeUTC, &fileTimeUTC))
............if (FileTimeToLocalFileTime(&fileTimeUTC, &fileTimeLocal))
................if (FileTimeToSystemTime(&fileTimeLocal, &sysTimeLocal))
................{
....................bRetVal = true;
....................dtLocal = sysTimeLocal;
................}

....return bRetVal;
}


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StevenC. (1047 D(B))
08 Jan 09 UTC
The New Diplomacy game is up and is seeking players!!!
The subject above is self explanatory. I am seeking other players for the new diplomacy game and the pot is only 50 uhhh...something with a D next to it.
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Stonewall (100 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Chat screen
Just was curious if everyone has problems with all of the messages appearing. Sometimes the most reent messages will be cut off and I'd have to refresh multiple times to get the new one to appear.
1 reply
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Silver Wolf (9388 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Problem in a game, after the site problem
In my game yep... (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7623)
I have orders to give where in the map the units aren't there...
4 replies
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flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Jan 09 UTC
Urgent need for a seventh player - Capital City Variation...
5 pts buy in, WTA, new variation (for this site)...

The rules are honour based (ie we trust players to keep to the new rules) and you need to be reasonably experienced. Rules below...
33 replies
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
04 Jan 09 UTC
Ban player?
The player "EdiBirsan" is doing the following:
A.) asking me for my phone number
B.) asking me for other personal information that I do not wish to share over the Internet.
See 1st post.
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
08 Jan 09 UTC
Unitless map bug details
Details on what happened with the unitless map bug are inside
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Giwald (521 D)
08 Jan 09 UTC
Let's celebrate...
Let's celebrate the solution of the bug with a 24-hour phase 60 point buy-in game...

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7917
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