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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
Presenting--Krellin Jr., Everybody! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOnHrAGKwJ4
1. Really? WOW...
2. Even if you dislike Obama, who indoctrinates/exploits their 6-year old like that?
3. Just pokin' at ya, krellin... ;)
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thatonekid (0 DX)
02 Aug 12 UTC
game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=96406
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jul 12 UTC
What is culture?
I realise that maybe we don't get this explained in school; maybe it's not part of 'common' knowledge; maybe nobody reads obiwan's posts; maybe antropology is a cryptic art, hidden away from the prying eyes of the unwashed masses... So i'd like to ask the masses.
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Emac (0 DX)
28 Jul 12 UTC
Radical imam OK but not Chick-fil-A
Pretty provocative headline from the Boston Herald. http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20220727poultry_excuse_mayor_radical_imam_ok_but_not_chick-fil-a/
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krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Celebrate FREE SPEECH
It's Chic-Fil-A day. If you SUPPORT the right of an individual to express himself freely - whether or not you agree with his speech - then visit your local Chic-Fil-A today and take a principled stance on FREEDOM of speech!
Friendly Sword (636 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Or, support the concept of freedom of speech as a negative right by completely ignoring Chic-Fil-A!
Wowee. Uhh, yeah, I will instead celebrate my right to not shovel disgusting trash into my mouth.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
More seriously, an infinitely better option is to express anger and disappointment with politicians who would seek to use their positions of representative power to limit free enterprise for a completely unjustified reason.

If you dislike that the CEO of Chic-Fil-A thinks homosexuality is immoral, thinks that Gay Marriage is going to bring God's wrath down on America, and donates extensively to related right-wing causes, I think it is perfectly legitimate to agitate for a boycott, because it gives the opportunity for each autonomous individual to speak with their money and deny funding to things they oppose.

If you are really concerned about donations from wealthy corporations helping to determine court cases and legislation that affect people's rights in an anit-Democratic fashion, agitate against THAT, don't undermine free speech and due process by attacking someone taking advantage of the system, which is truly the problem.

On the other hand, this nonsense from Rahm Emmanuelle about denying building permits to the chain because of its discrimination is a terrible response. Firstly because it usurps the individual's democratic right in society from getting to determine their own feelings about the issue, but also because it is obviously not discriminatory in any legal or relevant sense. Chic-Fil-A the restaurant serves all people equally, hires all people equally, doesn't use any hate speech in its marketing or anything, and conforms to all relevant laws I am aware of.
smcbride1983 (517 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
I don't see why municipalities can't exercise there right to limit building. That being said, I also don't see why people give a shit what Dan Cathy does with his money.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Can you genuinely not see the problem with either of those things?

#1 - How are these examples of municipalities using their power to impose subjective assessments of moral views any different than those who have blocked the Mulsim community centre in downtown Manhattan, or even worse, if the city of Birmingham kicked out all of the restaurants it deemed to be objectionable due to their CEO's support for progressive causes? It's a pretty terrible precedent, and a shocking abandonment of democratic principles.

#2 - That being said, a large portion of the money that Chic-Fil-A gives to it's CEO is then given to causes that seek the limiting of people's rights. I think it's perfectly acceptable to get pissed off at that, and try to convince others to be pissed off about it.
krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Wow...you fasictst/thought police scare the hell out of me. Funny...I'll bet when conservatives decide to boycott comanies they disagree with you probably call them every name in the book....hypocrites.
The Czech (39715 D(S))
01 Aug 12 UTC
I boycott abortion clinics.
"It's Chic-Fil-A day. If you SUPPORT the right of an individual to express himself freely - whether or not you agree with his speech - then visit your local Chic-Fil-A today and take a principled stance on FREEDOM of speech!"

It's not freedom of speech, you dolt. It's a question of property rights - having the right to dispense of your material wealth how you please.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
He can rant all he wants about whatever he wants in this country. (Provided he makes no threatening remarks, that is)

Likewise, the people of this nation are also free to say whatever they like against him.

Its all perfectly legal on both sides. I personally think that as a businessman, he would avoid courting any controversy whatsoever, but that's his call. And he gets to deal with the fallout when people don't like it.


And I personally am going to exercise my free speech, and point out that Krellin, per usual, has a rather imperfect understanding of the law. Nothing new here, really.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Whatever Krellin. I gave a principled argument for why the publicized responses of many self-avowed liberal mayors were terrible and should be opposed.... but obviously I'm facist. Great. Thanks for coming out.

But just to shed some light on your accusation of hypocrisy regarding boycotting... I think it is perfectly acceptable to criticize people for what they say, and criticize them for what they do, and fully accept criticism when it comes your way. Mutual criticism is the hallmark of a free speech regime, not the actions of thought-police. I really do not understand why this is controversial.

Further. an important element of this criticism in a capitalist society is exercising your right as an individual consumer is to criticize, so to speak, corporations that you dislike with your money (or lack thereof), and encourage like-minded individuals to do the same. When a company becomes outwardly political, it invites a political response, and you should feel liberated to act accordingly.

So just as I think it is perfectly legitimate for people to boycott Oreo when it makes a political stand in favour of gay rights if they so wish http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06-27/news/32444968_1_cookie-gay-pride-kraft-foods so I do think that it is legitimate to boycott Chic-Fil-A when it's public face makes a political stand against Gay Rights and its money supports political causes.

If that's hypocrisy.... well screw it, I guess I don't understand the concept.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
also jack, he can reap the benefits, as is being seen today, when lines at his stores are wrapped arond the building.
SacredDigits (102 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
I think Chick-Fil-A has boycotted me. Of the two locations within 50 miles of me, one is on a university campus and the other is in...Toledo. The closest one to where I grew up is like 100 miles away too.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
01 Aug 12 UTC
Everyone has the right to spend their money where they want. I personally won't be eating a Chic-Fil-A because they, as a company, have donated money to anti-gay group. As a consumer that is my right.

But, I disagree with cities being allowed to say they can't open a store in their city because of that. It's not a city job to mandate what ethics a company have. Let them open the store and let it fail if their citizens don't want to support a company that has corporate leadership with those kind of morals.
Freedom of speech isn't so free anymore.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
see, I am sure I disagree with CelticFox on a lot of things, but at least I can respect him for the fact that he recognizes that this person had the right to say what he did, and have the views that he does.

All we have is our money to do our talking, and today a lot of people gave a lot of money to Chick fil A. He said what he said, and did not pay for it ...yet.
Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Aug 12 UTC
@Stressed - CelticFox isn't a he. She is a she. :-)

As far as what rights are being violated by the mayors... Freedom of speech (they don't like his vocal promotion), property rights (they don't like his financial support choices), and religion (his speech and charity choices are religiously motivated). When they say he can't have a store because of his view and support of anti-gay organizations then they are discriminating against him for the clearly constitutionally protected religious views he holds.
smcbride1983 (517 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
@friendly sword, 1) Muslim community center and chick fil a are not comparable. I believe Austin Texas doesn't let any chains within the city limits. Municipalities can do what they want. If the constituents are upset then they will make their voices heard. If the local government doesn't listen they will be voted out of office.

2)sure, they can be mad. But the uproar is about a guy who doesn't agree with gay marriage. I think the daily show made a great point, do we need to agree with everything that the companies do? If so, we will all have to stop consuming. Don't get me wrong, if they were discriminating against their employees or their customers I would be on the bandwagon.
Celticfox (100 D(B))
02 Aug 12 UTC
@SMmc We don't have to agre with everything, but most company CEO's don't donate to anti-gay organizations either.
I think most of us are in agreement here on the mayoral actions and how horribly wrong they are. I just watched a video on it though and was astonished at how big the crowds were at Chick-Fil-A! Lines around the block and cars backed up all along a highway. The owner (Cathy, is it?) is going to be laughing at his critics all the way to the bank.

But I still don't see why people care so much about it. Its his company (I believe its still a private company), his money, so he can do with it what he wants to. What happened to the time when people would just respect the differences in opinion between themselves and others and carry on with their lives?
semck83 (229 D(B))
02 Aug 12 UTC
President Eden, you're incorrect. When the government makes a negative decision toward a person or business because of their expressed views, then it is a violation of free speech, irrespective of whether the negative decision has to do with property, business, criminal law, or anythin else.
semck83 (229 D(B))
02 Aug 12 UTC
smcbride, similarly, the Austin case is very different. If Austin chooses not to allow chains, fine. But when it starts explicitly basing the decision for a particular chain on its expressed political or religious views, it's just waltzed into a world of legal hurt.
Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Aug 12 UTC
@CelticFox - He isn't just the CEO. He is the owner and sole shareholder (it's a private company) so he can do with his money and, for that matter, the comapny's money pretty much whatever he likes except fund terrorists or purchase illegal goods like drugs or embargoed goods (blood diamonds, cuban cigars, et. al.)


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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Gunboat vs. Axis and Allies
As per below
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Conservative Man (100 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
The most liberal teens ever?
Hey I'm back again. I just recently discovered this forum for teens that probably has the most liberal teens I've ever seen, at least in regards to sex. I'm not sure if this is good or bad. More inside.
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BrownPaperTiger (508 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
The Most Boring Sport - Nominations and Votes
Following on from 2WL's thread, I'm taking formal nominations for the The Most Boring Sport, globally, Olympic or not.
Fire away

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emfries (0 DX)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Points Inflation
Not that it matters, but I'm just curious. Is there any way to figure out the inflation rate of points? More people join the site, increasing the total point count, and if you drop below 100 D you get them back, again increasing the total point count.
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LegatusMentiri (100 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
A few possible move questions
Being new here, I just want to make sure I know what all my options are. Anyone willing to help me out here?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Jul 12 UTC
And People Think *I* Have No Tact, Class, or Sense...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/07/30/idaho_billboard_compares_president_obama_to_aurora_shooting_suspect_james_holmes_.html
Really, regardless of your political views--Left, Right, Libertarian, Green, or Idontgiveadarn--that's just classless...and really, just as stupid as comparing Obama (and Bush, to be fair) to "Hitler." ...There's free speech, and then there's using free speech INTELLIGENTLY, and again...with CLASS.
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Partysane (10754 D(B))
28 Jul 12 UTC
How to donate?
I figure hosting this site costs some money and i saw some ppl with Donor Status. Since i had a lot of fun here up to now i'd like to donate a bit too but can't find information on how to do it.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
01 Aug 12 UTC
Hey Obi! I think maplelaugh is jonesing for you!
Poor maplelaugh. Most of us have him muted and those that don't just ignore him. So here I am giving him something to make him feel good.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
01 Aug 12 UTC
Achilll'es Game
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monkeyguy81 (100 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Live Game
Join this live game
Ancient Med
5 minutes per phase
gameID=96311
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achillies27 (100 D)
01 Aug 12 UTC
EoG, 101 point live-2
gameID=96295
That was a fun game, No CDs and I got to try out my stalemating skills!
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Gazelle123 (127 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Live Game
Join this live game
gameID=96301
5 minutes/phase
10 D bet
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
email bug
I recently changed my official email address for this site. For some reason when you click my profile, it still shows my old email address. However when I go to "settings" it has the new, correct email. Can anyone suggest why this is and what I should do about it?
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monkeyguy81 (100 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Live Game
join this live game
Ancient Med
gameID=96310
5 min. per phase
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Roelsie (0 DX)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Gamestart alert.
I am fairly new to this site and atm my favorite games are the ones with 5 mins/round. What I would like to know is it possible to add an alarm to this site alerting me when a game starts. (and if possible whenever a new turn starts)

Some kind of external program of some sort. I don't know much about scripts but I saw a friend use it @ another site and it looked quite usefull.
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Stressedlines (1559 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Flash Mobs
Interesting about these.
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oneirovatis (95 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
NEED PEOPLEE!!!!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=96290
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Jul 12 UTC
Countries without Armies
Mostly Costa Rica and Panama. These countries discovered that armies are bad and costly and the disbanding them was in the national interest.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces#section_2
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Jul 12 UTC
The Curious Case of Jordyn Wieber Or, How Stupid ARE The IOC's Rules?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/jordyn-wieber-fails-to-qualify-for-gymnastics-all-around/ I haven't watched these Olympics all that much...well, at all. (Sorry, watching it on an 8-hour delay kills the fun for me.) And I'm not a fan of gymnastics. But still...I really feel for that girl--all that work, and she's eliminated because of one of the most anti-competition rules I've ever heard of? People a dozen places below her 4th place finish qualify, but not her?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Jul 12 UTC
Oh good, another political thread...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/05/economics-and-culture
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Invictus (240 D)
26 Jul 12 UTC
What if...
After the Assad regime falls, it's discovered that some of their chemical and biological weapons came from Iraq in 2002? Would that significantly change our understanding of the Iraq War, or is it too late?
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smcbride1983 (517 D)
31 Jul 12 UTC
Novel post: diplomacy question.
If a unit is being dislodged, can it still break support somewhere else? E.g. Munich support move to Bohemia from tyrolia. Can Bohemia break a support hold that Silesia is giving Vienna?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
29 Jul 12 UTC
Olympics
How excited do people get about the Olympics? I'm not a fan of most sports, but I love them. With the new app for online streaming, I've already watched more than I usually do all week.
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TBroadley (178 D)
30 Jul 12 UTC
World Cup - Team Ontario needs a sitter
One of the members of Team Ontario is going to be away from August 3 - August 23. We're looking for a valiant spirit (preferably from Ontario, but not necessarily) who would be willing to take over the position until the return of our team member. I will bake and send you imaginary Internet cookies if you do.

PM me if you're interested.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
30 Jul 12 UTC
High Quality Live Gunboat Tonight
Lando's 84 Point Gunboat!
Begns at 7:00 pm EDT
PM for password
gameID=96173
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