Yes, fulhamish. Just like you turned a blind eye to what you don't acknowledge, the offensive part of his statements: "...and when you criticize them, they cry."

Simple I don't approve of sex segregation, do you?

I don't think sex segregation is necessary. I don't think it is really wise either. There is probably a lot of better science that results from having differing perspectives, including male vs female perspective, brought to bear on a problem.

But, if an institution wants to go there, then they certainly could. Up to them, but I think it'd be a bad idea.

I don't approve of stereotyping female scientists as being weak willed and unable to handle criticism, do you?

Anyone got any background on those 'scientific journalists' present?

here is one that I picked up on from the news reports: http://www.city.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/science-journalism

And here are the entry qualiifications for her Masters Course:

You should have an upper second class honours degree or the equivalent from an international institution in any subject. Considerations will also be given to mature applicants with substantial work experience in science or medicine.
You should be able to show that you have some relevant work experience in journalism, which might include work on a university/college publication, or work experience in either science, environmental or medical journalism.

Heaven forbid that one her candidates might actually have a background in lab work/science!!!

A direct answer to your question Jeff. In my experience women are often/routinely better than men in the lab. They just tend to be more meticulous and are prepared to go over and over things until they get them right.

A real issue that women scientists face, in my experience, is that they are often in intense unremitting competition with other women. I am not quite sure why, but I am not a sociologist I am afraid.

Jeff I notice that you think sex segregation ' a bad idea', but are tolerant of it should others wish to practice it. How far do you push this envelope? Race, sexual orientation, religion....where do you make your stand?

"PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE"

Exactly fucking right. But then with a proportional response we deny all these bloodthirsty 'liberals' their juicy execution. A very sick business indeed.

@ Krellin: "BAD FUCKING JOKE"

At this point, you've become, once again, a liar. You know that he was not telling a joke, because it's already been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that he was sincere in his comments and, after the fact, repeated the comments and confirmed that they were a reflection of his sincere belief.

You are a rhetoric-spewing con-tard of the first order - repeating shit that has already been demonstrated not to be true. He was not joking, he meant it, and that's a problem. For you to repeat the defeated claim that it was "a joke" does nothing but expose, yet again, how little integrity you have.


@ fiedler: I see you have totally failed to address my question. Nice attempt at deflection.

krellin could learn something about PROPORTIONAL RESPONSE on the forum.

You had a question? If you think I'm a deflector then you just don't know me. Or you're just dumb. Hang on I'll read your question when I have time.

Ok, since you can't read properly, I'll help you.


@ fiedler: "mmm well that's a bit of an extreme false equivalence"

Why is it?

@fulhamish:
"How far do you push this envelope [of separate facilities in the workplace]? Race, sexual orientation, religion....where do you make your stand?"

I'm not an expert on workplace law or sexual discrimination with respect to facilities. I know from my decades of experience in the workplace, but I'm willing to be educated more. My quick research didn't yield as much as I'd like to know. I'm sure there are many complications and nuances that a single post on this forum couldn't answer.

If the numerical minority in a science lab (probably fewer females than males) wanted separate facilities and the majority assented, I'd think it might be worth exploring the idea as long as resources were allocated fairly (tough to monitor and prove--Reagan's "trust but verify" is a problem-laden maxim). If the majority wanted to impose on the minority, then that wouldn't fly at all. Lawsuits would follow.

I've worked closely with people of every sex, skin tone, ethnicity, religion, political party, veteran status, felon status, and sexual orientation. I kind of don't really see a rationale for considering separate facilities for any of those categories, mainly because there is no difference as far as the workplace is concerned.

I rather think that any "separate but equal" under the same umbrella (school district, state, nation, company, corporation) is doomed to fail though. The only way to legally separate is with memberships, but that is completely different.

I see how the Libtards - thought they have surely seen it - have avoided the companion Apple thread which, if they dared wade into, would (again, and as always) expose them as the hypocrites and frauds they are...

At least Boo-sucks showed some balls and spoke up there.

Ahhhh...well...the dance monkeys are spinning. My work here is done. Continue to blather your extreme and vile hypocritical hatred. Pat yourselves and one another on the back for Faux Outrage Well Done!! BRAVOOO!!! BRAVOOO!!! We ALL believe that you are *truly and righteously* outraged....
<cough...gasp....cough...choke....vomit.....>

Libtards are so much fun.

I see how krellin has run out of arguments besides LIBTARDS! and HYPOCRITES!

Now he has to distract people from his paucity of thought by attempting to redirect their attention away from his logical and argumentative deficits.

Sure Jeff, *sure*.

Yes, sure. I have exposed Krellin's lack of integrity, once again - he had to resort to repeating outright lies in an attempt to defend his position and, when called on it, he resorted to hurling insults and then ran off.

Yeah sure J99, whatever you like... (eyes rolling turbulently)

Yeah, that's it, sit there rolling your eyes like the swivel-eyed loon that you are.

It beats actually addressing me or defending Krellin, eh?

No, your just too dense to bother arguing with. If you consider Tim Hunt and 'a raving white supremacist' to be equivalent, then I just don't know how to help you.

How can UCL be taken seiously now? Good read from Melanie McDonagh

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/06/how-can-university-college-london-be-taken-seriously-after-the-tim-hunt-affair/

@ fiedler:

You are suggesting that sexism is not as bad as racism, yes?

UCL took the first necessary step toward regaining their credibility which was deeply damaged when one of their stars stuck his foot in his mouth and theirs.

Yes Janie, et al.....I have no arguments blahblahlah. That's true - I have no arguments to counter the perverse mob-ruled sheep with all your feigned (look up his word, you posers) outrage over A JOKE. To all the dimwitted fools that think actual harm came to anyone BY A BAD JOKE, I have no counters argument, because you are the equivalent of a petulant child in line at a grocery store who has been told you can't have a candy bar....only.you behead your mother in the parking lot. None of you live in a rationale world, and therefore there is no discussion to be had with toy, other than to mock your Twitter-driven mob mentality... And perhaps pity you, and truly wish the same fate upon each and every one of you perverse hypocritical douchebags.

The irony here is that krellin still doesn't see the big picture.
An individual either told "a bad joke" or made "a faux pas" or deeply damaged an institutions credibility, depending on your perspective.

krellin, the exemplar of a petulant child, is siding with the individual involved and minimizing his responsibility in the situation. He can't even fathom to acknowledge that there was some collateral damage associated with the situation.

Others recognize that an organization such as a business, university or other institution is a collection of individuals, and an employer/employee relationship almost certainly applies, probably a freely associated "at will" relationship. Adults in the room understand that other people exist and when you are part of a group, you have a responsibility to them as well. If you bring dishonor to your group, you don't typically remain in the group much longer. Witness Tim Hunt.

The great irony is that people who are stuck in the infantile "me first" stage can always, ALWAYS claim they are defending individual rights while ignoring the other side of the situation. In fact, it is that "me first" attitude that prevents them from seeing the other side at all.

@ Krellin: What amazes me is you keep peddling the falsehood that he meant it as a joke. That was a lie when you first said it, and it remains a lie however many times you repeat yourself. Hunt himself admitted the comments represented his genuine opinion - therefore not "A JOKE" at all.

He was *not* joking. You *are* a liar, and a repetitive one, at that.

Who really cares if was a joke or not? It was a silly remark by an old man away on a conference. Indeed I believe he left his first wife for his current one who he met in a lab. The guy, quite rightly, held an honoury post, he had much useful experience to contribute, cut off in his prime by PC correctness. Meanwhile not a whisper about sex segregated Labour Party meetings. Hypocrites.

Jamie you are truly and utterly deranged. Even the news reports call it a joke you blithering twat.

And jeffypoo plays the "I'm rubber, you're glue..." Game because he has no original thoughts, being of the herd mind and all that.... Bravo!!!!!

"To all the dimwitted fools that think actual harm came to anyone BY A BAD JOKE, I have no counters argument,..."

Anyone? The entire UCL was harmed by this "bad joke." They had to take action to protect the interests of the organization which will last long after Tim Hunt, or anyone else for that matter, is gone.

"..because you are the equivalent of a petulant child in line at a grocery store who has been told you can't have a candy bar....only.you behead your mother in the parking lot. None of you live in a rationale world..."

I really feel the need to dissect this really terrible analogy a bit more. Who in their rational mind would come up with such a crackpot scheme?

krellin obviously relates to the petulant child in this situation because that is the acting person. Anyone who contradicts krellin is "mother" and he needs to behead her. That's pretty twisted, but I expect nothing less from krellin. I mean seriously, who comes up with this shit? Naturally, on the forum this means shouting LIBTARD and HYPOCRITE as loudly as possible to drown out the cohesive arguments which contradict his exposed id. Make it go away!

The better analogy for the actual situation is high-powered PR person makes their organization look bad on a world stage and gets fired, BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.