Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqevO_zrxsA

^The essence of every WebDip debate ever.

We all love you Putin, your imperfections complete you....

Sparknotes isn't blocked on our school computers. Congrats everyone you took grking's troll bait like you always do so easily.

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Eh, it's all good, Brewmachine...

It gave Putin a chance to act indignant and self-righteous and me a chance to needlessly fire back in a long-winded fashion...

And really, isn't that what this website dedicated to a board game based on WWI-era Europe is all about?

Worst troll ever if that's the case.

It got Putin pretty good. It also indirectly caused bo and jmo to act all stupid and then run away when confronted, so that's cool.

I posted a gif when it was clear you two were going to be idiots all night. No one gif'ed me back. But yeah, since you stopped debating me and Nigee started talking about the Ryder Cup, I guess I ran away. Makes sense.

Also, there's a thing called sleep. I don't know if they do that in Seattle or not.

Bo I was posting at 4am .... now there's a guy that cares about this forum :-)

Eh, you were just being a dick. I'm used to that. Jmo came in, posted an incredibly condescending and utterly inaccurate post, challenged us to justify our "nonsensical complaining" and then didn't respond when called on his bullshit.

Oh I just didn't see anything worth commenting on ghug. I still think both of you were making absolutely ridiculous arguments. You ignored the majority of my post, agreed with the key point. So I'm not sure what else there is to comment on.

I disagree with your point that Nigee was joking. A joke is designed to be funny, what he posted was designed to be insulting. It's been a common trend with him for a while now. Posting insults under the guise of jokes. It's been pretty douchy and almost all of them have been directed at myself or other mods. So I'll take opportunities to point out when he's being an assclown. All in good fun of course, from one "friend" to another.

Nah, I wasn't being a dick. If I were being a dick, you would actually have an argument, because when I'm a dick it's usually because I have nothing to say. All you have is useless ad hominems, which is, similarly to Nigee's "jokes," becoming a trend around here.

@Jmo, I ignored the majority of your post because it was all based on the premise that I didn't know the context of the story I had told. That fact that your "main point" is actually in agreement with what Nigee and I were saying does absolutely nothing to strengthen your argument here.

I posted a story and Nigee responded. bo, your precious innocent victim, attacked him for it, and I jumped in to defend him. Then you came in, twisted what was happening so that you could attack us, and then agreed with what we were saying (although at this point I don't think you realize that). I'm sorry if you fell like you're the victim sometimes, but that's no reason to take it out on the actual victim or the one defending him.

@bo, you ran out of responses and awkwardly tried to change the subject to some crap about dinners. I think that constitutes having nothing to say. Saying you were acting like a dick when you were acting like a dick is not an ad hominem, it is merely an analysis of your tone and argumentative style in this particular case.

Guys grow up, you are acting like little babies, if I wanted to attack you or insult you believe me you would know about it ..... but I don't so stop being so over-sensitive and holier-than-thou.
Just because you don't understand or like my humour doesn't mean you have to accuse me of insulting behaviour, anyone who has been on this site for long enough can surely make up their own mind and not be told by the Mods what I mean, your bullying is not appreciated, no-one likes a bully. Haven't you Mods got better things to do than come on the forum and slag off the players, what are you hoping to achieve?

+1 Nigee

I don't always particularly like your humor, but I can always tell when you're trying to be funny. The mods have gotten a lot of shit in recent months, and I think it's fair to be a little defensive, but attacking someone for making jokes and ignoring what's actually going on because it's inconvenient to your point is not the way to solve these issues.

"So, in your time attending school, Putin--has no one ever come up to you and said "Hey, I didn't read Assignment X for Reason Y, can you tell me what we were supposed to read, real quick?""

That's not what was being done here.

Trolling or not, the anti-intellectualism on display is disheartening, to say the least.

I'm inclined to agree with Putin. Reading the sparknotes of a novel in a hobby website is not the same as reading the novel. If the teacher is good, they should be able to detect this and the grade should reflect it.

"That's not what was being done here"

Seems to me like that was what he was asking...didn't do the reading, so can you help me out and summarize...that seems pretty much what he was saying, not "Can you do this paper for me?"

"Reading the sparknotes of a novel in a hobby website is not the same as reading the novel."

Again, granted...but everyone's been in the position where they get behind on reading and just want a quick plot summary so they're not totally lost for class. And you're right, the Sparknotes ISN'T the same as reading the novel...which is why I think this is much ado about nothing--

Giving a quick plot summary is not all that important when it comes to reading and taking something away from a novel. As long as he did the reading and gets all the symbolism and all the themes and ideas the actual text of the novel has to offer, is it really damaging to give a quick plot synopsis when, again, the back of a book cover or a book review will often do much the same thing, albeit with fewer spoilers for obvious reasons?

Put another way, I'd view giving someone a plot summary to a great novel the same way as telling someone what a math formula is when they've forgotten it--as long as it's not for/during a test, and as long as they use that basic info to actually solve the problems *themselves,* who cares if you helped them out by giving them the formula before class so they weren't totally lost during the lecture?

Yeah ghug, you know, it's really funny - when Nigee makes a "joke" that comes off as both idiotic and insulting, you immediately defend him, but when I make a "joke" that is clearly meant to diffuse tension between the three of us, I'm "running away" and trying to change the subject. Also, if you don't think excusing yourself from a debate because I was "just being a dick" doesn't fall under ad hominem attacks, you don't understand what ad hominem attacks are.

As for Nigee's "jokes," he can try to be funny all he wants, but if in doing so he's not funny in the slightest and baselessly insults a class of people, he's gonna get shit for it.

Sparknotes is the equivalent of just giving someone the answer to a math problem.

Also, in other news, how I choose to spend my time on the forum is up to me, and I have no idea why you think that being a mod means jmo and I can't call out your bullshit.

"Seems to me like that was what he was asking...didn't do the reading, so can you help me out and summarize...that seems pretty much what he was saying, not "Can you do this paper for me?""

That's not the same thing as "can you tell me the reading assignment."

What you just said is asking somebody to do the work for you. The second is asking you what work should have been done. The two are not the same.

@abge .. yeah, it is. That's why most math instructors tend to say things like "show your work." Maybe that ought to be incorporated into other subjects.

If they didn't do the reading they deserve to be lost.

Ask any law student what it's like when you don't do the reading. There is no sympathy.

Also, there's a difference between missing a couple chapters due to whatever and wanting a synopsis so you don't fall further behind and just not reading the whole book.

I in no way excused myself from a debate because you were a dick. I was saying that I found what jmo said more problematic than what you said because you were just being a dick. Go ahead and keep twisting my words though.

I told a story about something fucked up that happened in my life, and Nigee made a pointed joke about how fucked up it was. You responded with "Jesus Christ Nigee, it's the SCHOOLS that block the page, not the fucking country." You may have not found it funny, but it wasn't a baseless insult on a whole class of people, and you turned it around and chose to attack him. When the argument progressed and you realized that he actually had a legitimate point, you could have done the mature thing and admitted it was a good point, but instead you deflected and called your buddy in to insult us.

"Maybe that ought to be incorporated into other subjects."

It is...

And, to be clear, I never brought anybody's moderator status into it other than a joke about a comedy cube. Jmo complained about Nigee singling him out, and I acknowledged that y'all have it tough but pointed out that it doesn't excuse assholery.