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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
21 Jun 15 UTC
ODC Round 1 Board 8
has finished. GG to everyone.

Result: Three-way draw between Germany (Valis2501), Austria (guak), and Turkey (MKHAUS).
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retardedarcher (323 D)
20 Jun 15 UTC
World Diplomacy map balance
I'm in two games of World Diplomacy; one as China and the other as USA. Both of these countries have the same problem: They are surrounded by countries, and those countries have no incentive to go anywhere else because all the SC is bordering China/USA, and they don't really have secure SC.

Don't get me started on USA. All the SC a territory away from each other, unable to support. I know it's hard to balance a map for 20 people, but it's ridiculous.
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ILN (100 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
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The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt
http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/13/the-illiberal-persecution-of-tim-hunt
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fulhamish (4134 D)
19 Jun 15 UTC
Homophobia?
On a related, but perhaps more serious note, I see that Stephen Fry and his new husband have at a problem on their Honduran honeymoon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11672513/Stephen-Frys-honeymoon-wrecked-by-homophobia.html

Shoud they have shown more consideration to local sensibilities? Should we condemn Honduran and by extension, for example, Pakistani, homophobia in the forthright terms we use in the UK or the USA? I am not sure, what do people think?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
19 Jun 15 UTC
Mental illness vs gun rights
"Anyone with a mental illness diagnosis should surrender all of their constitutional rights, right now, rather than at all compromise the right to bear arms of self-declared sane people."

Disuss.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Jun 15 UTC
In between stabbing out eyes and large black tarps
I understand 1st amendment rights allow free speech, and I know censorship is a slippery slope to slimy stalinism, but isn't 'instant coverage' of news causing/accentuating many of the 'racial' issues we have nowadays. what restrictions COULD we put in place???
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
14 Jun 15 UTC
Anyone at Weasel Moot?
I want to hear about it!
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vexlord (231 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
How to speak in public
New game! public chat, anon, 101 D. 3 day phases so everyone can have a say. If you have never tried it, public chat is a lot of fun. come on in, the water is fine!
gameID=162652
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Best Diplomacy Variant?
**NOTE: I'm sure this has been posted before, so please don't hate if it's the thousandth time you've seen it.**
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Sevyas (973 D)
19 Jun 15 UTC
slow, full press, anon, wta game
Anyone interested?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Jun 15 UTC
Tipping in Japan
Apparently, not so cool.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Jun 15 UTC
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Christian neighbours outraged by "relentless" gayness.
This caused me to lol

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-criticised-by-christian-neighbours-for-having-a-relentlessly-gay-garden-is-crowdfunding-to-make-her-house-even-gayer-10328310.html
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
New Forum Game: Fallacy Bingo!
See: www.relativelyinteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/logical-and-rhetorical-fallacies-explained.png

Step one: identify a logical/rhetorical fallacy on the front page of the forum.
...
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
18 Jun 15 UTC
"Sounds good buddy!"
http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/diplomacy-detecting-a-coming-betrayal

Researchers use transcripts from online Diplomacy games to identify signs of imminent betrayal.
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
19 Jun 15 UTC
Need England gameID=163146
Need replacement player
gameID=163146
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Mapu (362 D)
18 Jun 15 UTC
Obama gave his 14th statement
Obama has now given 14 statements mourning a mass shooting since he took office. Is there an answer for these events or do we have to accept them as a fact of life?
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krellin (80 DX)
15 Jun 15 UTC
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Ban/Boycott Apple (Human Rights Abuse)
Continuing a long stream of human rights abuses, Apple is identified as a bigoted company again - and with it Apple users who support the company. In willful disregard of feelings, Apple disses the long oppressed Ginger population. Ban/Boycott Apple and Apple Users NOW!!

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/02/petition-calls-for-redhead-emojis
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TrPrado (461 D)
12 Jun 15 UTC
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June GR?
Any news on June GR? Is this a sign for integrated GR?
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krellin (80 DX)
17 Jun 15 UTC
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The Sky....
Is **fucking blue***. And other controversies...

I know you (collectively wise) fellow players will have issues with me here....so bring it on...
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EmmaGoldman (1001 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
new game
Join Bread and Roses, 130 pts bet, classic game, ppsc, anon players and 80% reliability rating to keep down chances of unreliable irritating players
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JamesYanik (548 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
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I'm starting to like this
There was a thread a little while back, commenting on how Italy has 'no serious chance, in a game of experts, to solo'
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
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Satirical newspaper produces political satire
waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/06/17/first-thing-ill-do-as-president-is-fuck-an-intern-in-the-oval-office-hillary-clinton
That is all.
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KingCyrus (511 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
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I Saw Something Beautiful Today
Today, I had the privilege of working with a group from the MDA (Muscular Dystrophy Association).
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Hindu_Warrior (100 D)
18 Jun 15 UTC
How to leave a game?
How to leave a game ?
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fulhamish (4134 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
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Perhaps the world's conspiracy theorists have been right all along
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11671617/Perhaps-the-worlds-conspiracy-theorists-have-been-right-all-along.html

Views?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
18 Jun 15 UTC
Hot ketchup.. but not like that!
http://rare.us/story/a-man-scanned-a-qr-code-on-a-ketchup-bottle-to-a-enter-a-contest-but-thats-far-from-what-happened/
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ILN (100 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
Eliminate Gas Tax, Pay Per Mileage Instead
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/pay-roads-bridges-mile-fee

An interesting solution to fixing america's decaying infrastructure, plus it's a system where those that use road infrastructure pay the most, and those that use it the least pay the least; no freeloaders.
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
15 Jun 15 UTC
Game of Thrones Finale
For the Watch.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
16 Jun 15 UTC
Fantasy Fiction Series: Please Recommend
Hi guys, I haven't read much fantasy fiction (or any kind of fiction other than the scholarly peer reviewed kind) in a couple of years. Can you please recommend a completed series or near completed series that is fairly new? Thanks.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
16 Jun 15 UTC
Oh, yeah, definitely the Dresden series. They're just so much fun and you can read each one in about 2 sittings, so it isn't much of an investment.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
16 Jun 15 UTC
+1 Chaqa and HR on Discworld. That series is incredibly well written and it has the added benefit of being able to jump into almost any book without having read the preceding ones and the plotline is still easily understandable.

RIP Sir Terry.
Randomizer (722 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
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Douglas Adams series, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. He's dead, but that hasn't stopped his unpublished works from still getting printed.

But seriously what he wrote was fantasy and not science fiction. Sure it starts in Great Britain, but even they aren't that polite enough to not drag Arthur Dent out of the way of a bulldozer.
TrPrado (461 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
Incarnations of Immortality is a fun read in all its complexity. Also, I've read the first book of Dark Tower and thought it was rather good. I would like to read the others, but I've not had the opportunity. What exactly do you mean by a "sprawling series," though?
thorfi (1023 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
Ursula Le Guin, Earthsea Series.
Sheri S. Tepper, Mavin the Manyshaped and several sequels.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
16 Jun 15 UTC
His Dark Materials was a fantastic trilogy - bit of a combination of fantasy and steampunk - but I've never been as moved by a book as I was by The Amber Spyglass, the third installment. Absolutely tremendous books.
dyager_nh (619 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
The Memory Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams was by far the best fantasy series I ever read. Book 1 was a little slow at the beginning but it has some really well written storylines.
http://www.tadwilliams.com/books/series/mst/

I am reading the three trilogies written by Robin Hobb which is good.
Try "Another Fine Myth" Robert L. Asprin has an entire tongue-in-cheek series of adventures centered around an apprentice magician and a demon who team up with an ever increasing bunch of misfit buddies. A couple of things:

Demon just means dimension traveler (and yes, you're just a scary and ugly to their kids),
Imps are snappy dressers but watch out for the heat seeking crossbow bolts,
If you make a deal with a Deveel, count you fingers and toes (and you relatives),
Gargoyles make drinks that look like swamp muck but taste really good,
Dragon language is way too subtle for humans to understand "Gleep!".

Asprin totally did for fantasy what Adams did forSci-Fi.

A plus, if you are pressed for time you can usually read a book in a day, they are all very short.
If you don't laugh out loud at least once in the first five pages put it down, this series is not for you.
Raymond R. Feist's Riftwar saga was always an particular favorite of mine, especially "The Daughter of the Empire" sequel trilogy. Lady Mara is an absolutely beautiful calculating heroine. Intelligent and totally underestimated in her tradition bound and male dominated society.
Shoot, CA. Did you stop reading fantasy in 1990? :)

Strong agreement for First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie.

I'm currently enjoying the Path of Daggers by Daniel Abraham (also wrote the Long Price Quartet).

I liked the Prince of Nothing series by R. Scott Bakker, although the end of the third book was a bit rushed and unsatisfying. I'm giving him benefit of the doubt because he's writing a follow up trilogy, so the end of the third book wasn't really the end.

That reminds me of the Assassin trilogy by Robin Hobb, which also had an unsatisfying, rushed ending to the third book -- but then was followed up by the Fool trilogy.

Old School: Amber series by Roger Zelazny. Good stuff.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
krellin clearly doesn't understand PROPORTIONAL REACTION.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
17 Jun 15 UTC
The list thus far:

Mistborn (excellent! read it)

Wheel of Time (couldn't finish; Jordan got wayyy toooo wordy; it dragged on for so long; now I can't remember enough to resume)

Discworld (isn't this an ongoing series?)

Stormlight Archive (not yet but it's unfinished, no?)

Malazan Book of the Fallen (excellent, long but great)

The First Law trilogy (say one thing for zultar, he's a +1 whore; I enjoyed this series; my wife and I made a lot of "say one thing" for a long time after reading this series)

The Dark Tower (not yet; it's not a sprawling series, is it? I don't like those)

Shadows of the Apt by Adrian Tchaikovski (not yet)

The R. A. Salvatore Forgotten Realm collected works (read most of them)

The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley (read already; great book)

The Witcher (I am going to get the 3rd game soon; do the books link up much with the games?)

Bonds stuff (probably not)

Codex Alera (very good series; better when the main character used his scientific knowledge more than just inherited magic powers)

Paksenarrion (haven't head of this)

Dresden (have read all of them; easy read; also very forgettable)

Hitchhiker's guide (one of my wife's and mine's favorites)

Incarnations of Immortality (very good series; I have read it twice)

Earthsea (this series never got off the ground for me; too boring? not sure)

Mavin the Manyshape (haven't heard of it)

Dark Materials (haven't heard of it; but have read a few steampunk books)

The Memory Sorrow and Thorn (haven't read it)

"Another Fine Myth" Robert L. Asprin (haven't heard of it)

Riftwar Saga (the first few series were great but man, Feist was milking this franchise in the last few books; they got really boring and really predictable; it was a big let down the last six books)

The Daughter of the Empire series (one of my absolute favorites; have read it twice)

Prince of Nothing (absolutely enjoyed this series; the second trilogy -incomplete- isn't as anywhere as good as the first two books)

Amber (very good series; nice easy read)


Man, listing things out like this is starting to make me realize how much I've read over the years and this is only the good stuff, not the crappy stuff. There is also some good sci-fi series I've read but let's not go there.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
17 Jun 15 UTC
Some of us try very hard to tolerate the arcane form of "self-moderation" the forum presents and would rather not mute people collaterally, but aren't afraid to do so if certain people don't utilize it themselves.

Back on topic...
The Dragon Riders of Pern series is great, although I can only speak for those originally written by Anne McCaffrey and not her son.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
If you haven't read anything by L. E. Modesitt Jr. You could always pick up his Imager Portfolio. It's got two completed sub-series right now and a one-off novel all set within the same universe. If you have read anything by him though, all of his series have thematic similarities, so you wouldn't have to read more than one to know if you like his work. A couple of his earlier series have been recently re-released on Audible due to the popularity of the Imager books, so that's something.
Last I checked, the Mavin Manyshaped books were out of print and going for about $40 apiece on eBay. They are a good read, but in my opinion not as good as Tepper's later True Game series (set in the same world), which is available as an all-in-one compendium reprint.

Aspirin's Mythadventures series is entertaining. I think the quality declined as he ran out of ideas and mostly repeated the same jokes. It's not high caliber writing, but it is humorous and fast paced. I might liken it to Piers Anthony's Xanth series -- I started reading both series as a preteen and enjoyed them, but don't see myself ever going back to reread them. I met Aspirin and his then-wife Lynn Abbey (the coeditors of the Thieves World series) once, long ago at a convention.

I neglected to suggest the Black Company series by Glen Cook. Strong recommendation there.

Joel Rosenberg had a fun, fast-moving series about a group of college RPGers who get transported into a fantasy world. Sounds tired, but it was well done and at the time was fairly novel (Andre Norton's Quag Keep being perhaps the only predecessor).

The Deverry cycle by Katherine Kerr is pretty good. Same with the Fey series by Kristine Kathryn Rusch.

Randall Garrett's Gandalara Cycle also is good.

Oops, I just noticed the requirement of "fairly new" in the OP. Oh well, some of my suggestions are so old they have fallen out of circulation (and in some instances, print) so they might as well be fairly new. :)
The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
17 Jun 15 UTC
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Ah, what the heck. Vlad Taltos series by Steven Brust and damn near anything by Guy Gavriel Kay (Longest Road series and Tigana in particular).
JamesYanik (548 D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
Legend

pretty good book, hunger games esque, but I did really love it
TrPrado (461 D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
Oh, I just remembered some from when I was younger that I thought were pretty good:
The Heir Chronicles by Cinda Williams Chima
Skullduggery Pleasant by Derek Landy
Gregor the Overlander series by Suzzane Collins (I would personally say it's better than her Hunger Games trilogy, which is rather overrated)
Chumbles (791 D(S))
17 Jun 15 UTC
I once had a collection of about 6K paperbacks, mainly SF and Fantasy. If I had to recommend a couple of series I'd recommend C J Cherryh's Foreigner series - there's a genuinely alien feel to the aliens and the characters are actually characters! Rare in the genre... The other series is a loose start but moves through to the Uplift War. David Brin's series starts with Sundiver, thence to Startide Rising and on to the Uplift War. For otherworldliness try Holdstock's series that starts with Mythago Wood; spooky stuff...
Chumbles (791 D(S))
17 Jun 15 UTC
By the by, failing eyesight means my 5 books a week habit is now a year! However, I still follow the Cherryh series and every 5th year read LotR.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
@Chumbles, have you tried audio books? I know some people who swear by them, while i have never gotten into one... So just a thought.

lets see, hated the end of 'His dark materials' trilogy, mostly because i didn't want propoganda in my fantasy.

Really like some Tad Williams, but he can drag things out.

Terry Pratchett is dead, so Disceorld series is not ongoing. Though they are also several different series, i especially recommend the Witches series, and the Guards series, also some of the stand-alone novels - Small Gods being my favourite.

Oh, and the DEATH series, gotta love Death

The Earthsea quartet is interesting, fourth book kinda changes theme from the rest, but overall i recommend them.

And, i can't remember what else i've read lately, most Iain (M) Banks, thrillers and sci-fi. So i will not list them here...


Chumbles (791 D(S))
17 Jun 15 UTC
I quite like audiobooks, but the price of them is horrible; I used to be on the road a lot (64K miles one year) so used to buy tapes of stuff (LotR - the BBC radio adaptation - great stuff; nearly drove off the road at one point, even though I knew what was coming!) but the price, sheesh! And ditto re the two Pratchett mini-series - you have to love Vimes!
Chumbles (791 D(S))
17 Jun 15 UTC
Hell... missed one of my favourite ever trilogies - genuinely had me in tears (difficult to do with me, unless I'm writing cheques!) ... The Fionavar Tapestry. Also Julian May's Plasticine tetralogy - awesome nonsense with huge scope
jbalcorn (429 D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
+1 for Incarnations of Immortality. Or the Robot Adept series. But best of all...Nine Princes in Amber.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
@audiobooks - my friend has offered a book club which included reading/listening to free audiobooks. So i don't know how much they cost. Downloads are often free, right?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
17 Jun 15 UTC
Audio books are wicked expensive if you don't have a subscription like audible.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Jun 15 UTC
Agreed with orathaic on 'His Dark Materials'. I wasn't sure whether I'd accidentally started reading the Bible by the end of it. The first one was pretty good, though the film version (The Golden Compass) wasn't that great. The second book was OK but nothing more, and the third was CS Lewis level religious overtones.
Randomizer (722 D)
17 Jun 15 UTC
Glen Cook's Garrett, P. I. series has a Sam Spade detective in a fantasy world. So he can get hired by a sorceress and have to worry more about getting it by lightning than not getting paid.

Rick Cook's Wizardry series has computer programmer transported into a world using spells. More fun if you know the computer references.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
17 Jun 15 UTC
Thanks everybody for your suggestions. I think I have enough to go on now. I will start with the His Dark Materials series as it sounds interesting (ok, this is only the official version, the real reason is that the mod team threatened to quit if I don't read this series first, but please don't tell them that I share that here).

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
17 Jun 15 UTC
CGP Grey on the UK's recent election
Worst election result ever? CGP seems to think so:
http://youtu.be/r9rGX91rq5I
Disuss.
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