@Invictus: good solid debate that gets to the root of issues can be beneficial without actually changing anything in the real world. There are a lot of smart people that play this game and I'm sure if the general attitude and discourse changed on the forum, the quieter people would step forward to voice their opinions without fear that someone is going to bark at them. All I'm saying is that would be good in my mind.

"Compromise let Hitler take over much of Europe - it isn't all it's cracked up to be."

Oh my. You don't really believe that?


The American political system is designed exactly for compromise, krellin. It's incredibly difficult for any one side to win outright and impose its policy preferences. Finding a politically acceptable compromise between the various players is the only way things can get done. The problem is that our federal now has many more responsibilities than it was designed to have, and it is therefore more difficult to find those acceptable agreements due to the glut of issues to deal with.

In terms of the conservative camp, I'll give a shoutout to Gunfighter, he's the most level-headed of the conservative crew here and does very well to voice his opinions clearly, as much as I usually disagree with his point of view.

"good solid debate that gets to the root of issues can be beneficial without actually changing anything in the real world."

Beneficial to individuals' personal well-being, sure. But that's no "solution." Nothing I say here about how great free trade is, for example, will make the current talks with the EU and the TPP actually succeed.

"but don't start pretending anything that happens here matters. "

amen brother. Yes the collective monkeys that take this site so seriously reallllly need a new hobby.

I'd love this forum to be beneficial to my/our well-being, wouldn't that be something nice? Right now it's a troll-feeder. That only serves to pleasure people like krellin. Who wants that other than krellin?

Who would bother to care strongly one way or the other?

@y2k - first you say everything I say is yelling, then you tell me what great discussions we have had...so which is it. Maybe the difference is you don't stand out to me from the noise on the left, and therefore I attribute nothing to you specifically in my mind. There are few distinct voices in the WebDip community...mostly there are parrots and sheep. I guess, sadly, you are either furry or feathered...but hardly unique...

GF is level-headed? He's damn near a fucking anarchist?!?! lol He thinks the US hasn't passed a constitutional law in like 60 years or some nonsense! lol Good lord, if he is a voice of reason, then I'm fucking Jesus Christ!

@Invictus - yes, it is difficult for any one side to win, meaning that change is intended to come SLOWLY.

What has changed in modern politics is this perception that the Feds must *constantly* be passing new laws. This is not so...it is perfectly acceptable for them to deadlock, not pass laws, and leave shit alone.

The insistence that Compromise be the law of the land is only the result of a twitter-fed nation that thinks inaction is evil.

Compromise is failure of prinicple, not a noble deed.

Yeah, Gunfighter is kind of the type-specimen for conservative excess. More of a reader of TheBlaze rather than NRO.

y2k - for bitching about me being a troll, your entire existence in this thread has been to troll and fling pooh.

Dance, monkey, dance!
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@krellin: that may be so, I haven't posted anything too unique on this forum and have seemingly just echoed most liberal views expressed on the site because I concur with them. But therein lies your problem I claim, that anyone who expresses any liberal view you just tune out and auto-respond with your "libtard" rhetoric. I guess that frustration you feel mostly comes from being in the minority, but it's still something I feel that if you tamed that behavior, you'd have more of an audience that wanted to listen to you. Then again, you being a troll and all, I don't think you really give a fuck what any of us think about you so again, I'm having a discussion with you that will serve zero purpose.

My entire existence in this thread is to fling pooh at the pooh flingers, that is correct.

"I did learn something new today though - to a left-wing nutjob, shootings that don't result in death don't matter. "

Would your senility addled brain care to point out where it is that I said or even implied this about left-wing people?

At best my meaning was that the media and the nation as a whole does this. I did not defend the practice, for one, and for two, I did not associate it with the left-wing in the slightest degree.

Or are you still parroting the tired old line that the "mainstream media" is leftist? That may have been true 40 years ago, but you need to look around you a bit more if that's what you still think. If anything the mainstream media is neither leftist nor establishment, but increasingly irrelevant.

@y2k - no, I don't tune out liberal posters - I respond to them. Good lord...you are exceptionally dense. is it by design or accidental? That you simply admit to parroting the belief of others, you are useless and noise - why should I take you seriously when you admittedly have neither a unique thought, not a unique way of expressing it?

The only thing you do that isn't simply a parroting of others is to fling poo...which you do excessively and with great smugness.

What has changed in modern politics is this perception that the Feds must *constantly* be passing new laws. This is not so...it is perfectly acceptable for them to deadlock, not pass laws, and leave shit alone."

Not passing laws is not a virtue in and of itself. Leaving entitlements alone, for example, is a recipe for disaster. Both parties let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and things never change. It's not like every law a legislature passes is only busy work or a dreadful blow against liberty. Sometimes you get the RICO Act.


"The insistence that Compromise be the law of the land is only the result of a twitter-fed nation that thinks inaction is evil."

As above, it depends on what the inaction's on.


"Compromise is failure of prinicple, not a noble deed."

Unless you get a Senate and House full of Ted Cruz clones with a President Ted Cruz having won over 300 electoral votes compromise is inevitable.

The way to win the long game is to stack smaller victories, not rely on one sally to succeed 100%.

Thucy, how is NOLA? Still great for you, I hope, since I was one of the lonely voices that encouraged you...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/19/new-poll-shows-far-more-americans-believe-the-media-have-a-liberal-bias-problem/#

Question: If the viewers of mass media overwhelmingly believe that the media that they are listening to has a bias, then doesn't that media, by definition, have a bias, since their purpose is solely to disseminate information, and overwhelmingly that information is percieved to be biased, one can reasonably assume, therefore, that the information being distributed is biased.

ipso facto the mainstream media is, generally speaking, biased.

Sigh, whatever krellin. Enjoy your life.

"Not passing laws is not a virtue in and of itself."
I never said it was.

The gov'mnt just "compromised" on a budget. It makes no significant changes toa nything...i.e. entitlement spending is intact, and debt will continue to soar. Yay for compromise...

The media tells you what a *great* and glorious day was had by all, because (cue glorious music!!) Compromise was had, and those damned principled Teat Partiers were put in their place!! Oh yay! Nobody got what they want....least of all the American tax payers.

Yay for Compromise, hailed as a glorious victory by talking heads everywhere...

@ysk - I do, Poo-Flinger, because I don't take you so seriously as you take me.

Noted, I'll stoop to your level.

Invictus -
victory result slowly over time when the American VOTER, as a whole, decides that an issue is important enough to vote a significant number of times to install the appropriate amount of people in office to make change.

Dead lock right now is fine - *most* voters are content with their lives *personally*. Most voters work, have bought Christmas presents for loved ones, etc. Sure, we say we hate gov'ment, but we vote them all back in, each side almost equally. Obama won election by a hair, not a landslide. There is no call for compromise in the people, but for the status-quo, which is doing just fine for the majority of people

"Noted, I'll stoop to your level."

@y2k You've already stooped below. I'm having actual conversations with OTHER people on this thread.

You, y2k, are only here to fling poo, Poo-Flinger.

Y2KJBK Portrait in Action:

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But at least there's a budget, which has been an elusive creature since Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi started with the continuing resolution game to keep their members from having to vote on budgets with huge deficits.

You're probably not ever going to get the needed reform under this president, certainly not with a Democratic Senate. This budget is part of a longer strategy to win the Senate in 2014. Regular order may not be sexy, but it's a better way to go about changing things than by playing chicken with the global economy. With both houses the Republicans can actually send completed bills to Obama rather than just having the House pass quixotic things that die in the Senate.


Again, you can't rely on one sally that solves everything. Especially when you have only one chamber and aren't in the White House. It will never work. You do what is possible in your current position and go everythign you can to get yourself in a better one in the next election.

Invictus - I do understand what you are suggesting...but this "compromise" budget, versus another continuing resolution...a difference without a meaning.

What Republican "compromise" has done is demonstrate to voters of the conservative base that the current leadership has no backbone...it should be good for the Tea Party in the primaries...meaning voters are not fond of compromise which is why the Tea Party sees gains each election cycle.

If compromise was a good thing, Republicans would rule the world.

By the way, that shooter in Colorado this last time...an outspoken **Socialist**, I might ad...

" There is no call for compromise in the people, but for the status-quo, which is doing just fine for the majority of people"

You're just making things up to suit your worldview now. Congress almost literally could not be less popular. You think that's because people like the status quo?

Elections aren't won and policies aren't enacted/changed by magical thinking. Simply wanting things hard enough doesn't make them so. You can only change things by governing well and winning elections to keep you in a position to govern well. Quixotic moves like the shutdown debacle do neither. Getting nothing done since you can't get everything done does neither.

It's a cliche, but it's a true one. Politics is the art of the possible. Expecting some classically liberal paradise to emerge while Barack Obama is president and the Democrats keep the Senate is downright delusional.