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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Apr 12 UTC
And the Bad News Just Keeps Marching In For Eden...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nflpa-warns-players-may-face-criminal-charges-bounty-155246283.html
Even if charges aren't brought against any players...wow, now they need lawyers? More and more, the Raiders are seriously in jeopardy of losing that "dirtiest team" mantle, fair or not, to the Saints...that SB win isn't looking as clean anymore (which is a shame, to be fair...)
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AncientMemories (635 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Some thoughts on potential improvements
Maybe this just shows how wildly naive i am, but i feel like as wonderful as the site is, there are some features that could make it even more wonderful.

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krellin (80 DX)
02 Apr 12 UTC
ACMAC --- LEAGUE INFO??
ACMAC - You either haven't been on since last night or are not checking your PM's. Need the League ID # to join Fan B.B. league.

(Sorry for using the forums in this way...)
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
03 Apr 12 UTC
Speaking of the sad state of science
A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are unreliable. C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. 47 were frauds.
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AncientMemories (635 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Question/debate
At what point does it become bad form to not draw or cancel because of NMRs/CDs? It seems like it is almost inevitable to have at least one cd in live games, but is it bad to profit because of that and push on for a solo despite all the other players voting for a draw/cancel?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
WebDiplomacy and The Final Crusade? (Game Proposal/Invite)
I think it's safe to say one of our most discussed/popular/maddening discussion topics here on the threads has been religion--one vs. another, atheism vs. theism, discrepancies between definitions of those identities (see: SC and I having a near-Jewish Civil War) so...anyone up for a game? Represent your denomination/branch of agnosticism/branch of atheism, we'll chat...have some wine...last players standing "win" The Last Crusade...? ;)
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Yonni (136 D(S))
30 Mar 12 UTC
Currently recruiting tournaments
Because there has been some confusion and befuddlement, here is the current status of 'new' tournaments on this site:
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Yonni (136 D(S))
02 Apr 12 UTC
Looking for sub
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Mar 12 UTC
What's the story on Fag-Naur?
Did he give any reason for his latest return? I'm curious.
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ghug (5068 D(B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - Speak softly and carry a big stick
gameID=79564

Good game everyone, I'll get something up either in the next few hours or tomorrow night.
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krellin (80 DX)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Office Space...WebDip...
see below...
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
01 Apr 12 UTC
Any motorcyclists out there?
What you riding?
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demonpants (859 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Player kicked out?
Looks like a player in our game got kicked out and someone took their place. The game is here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=84494 The player in question is India, who was eighnjel or something like that, and is now timgard. India didn't log in all weekend but Argentina has never logged in and has not been kicked out. Is there any way to reverse this? Why did it happen? How do we replace Argentina?
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BusDespres (182 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min game in 5 min. needs only 1!!!!!!!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84920
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
I wanna play some good people in an anon classic game.
Who wants to play? Bet of 5-10 I think. (It kills me to go back under 300, but oh well) Love people like MadMarx to play but I realize they got better things to do. So who's in?
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fortknox (2059 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
An experiment?
How would you all like to be in on an experiment?
How about I mod the forum. Any hate, trolling, etc... I see I silence. If the op posts it again because I silenced the thread, I ban. Maybe then you guys will appreciate the freedom and stop trolling and crapping up the forum. Thoughts?
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BusDespres (182 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min. Needs 5!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84919
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BusDespres (182 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min. game anyone?
anybody trying to play a quick game?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
In Defense of mapleleaf, krellin, and All the Rest...
We've created them.
They have as much right to speak their mind and spew as much vitriol as I spew Shakespeare...the same way we've made me into the seeming embodiment of the long-winded pseudo-intellectual Ivory Tower elitist, we've created these trolls, too...you pay them heed, and you lend credence to their creed. Respond, mute them, ignore them...but they have their right to speak, too...
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
01 Apr 12 UTC
Mod-a-Day Program
After listening to your suggestions about self-moderation, we've decided to try something new. Basically, we will give a user with a reasonable record mod privileges for one day to help keep order in the forum. We hope this will prevent any one person from going crazy with power, as it will only be for 24 hours. If you're interested, please post here.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
01 Apr 12 UTC
"Détente, or managing relationships between large diplopowers"
A story follows.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
01 Apr 12 UTC
gameID=77069

Take a look at this game. At the time of writing, we are conducting the diplomacy phase of A12. As you can see, I play Russia, and Sandgoose plays Germany. A lot can be said about this game, but we're not here to discuss ongoing games. I just wanted to show that you will probably see "a little turbulence", but no all out war, and no all out alliance either.

Now we take a step back from the illustration; I wanted to discuss super-power relationships in the game of Diplomacy. In the 1970s, a US diplomat named "Henry Kissinger" - some of you know me as an admirer of Dr. Kissinger, perhaps not so much in what he believed or stood for but rather how he implemented it and how he thought - started a relationship of "Détente" "Relaxation" would be the English word, with the Soviet Union.

To understand that, one must understand that in that era, these were pretty much the only two global powers that mattered, China was upcoming but really the world was bipolar. In his book "Years of Upheaval", Dr. Kissinger describes - and I paraphrase - "Detente not so much as a way to make concessions to the Soviet Union, or form a strategic alliance with them, but to manage relationships between superpowers."
redhouse1938 (429 D)
01 Apr 12 UTC
I tried several things recently to manage superpower relationships (not referring to a specific game now) and wanted to hear your opinion.

First, allow me to remind you all of the concept of a "DMZ" and an "NAP", two terms frequently used on the forum.

DMZ, Demilitarized zone, is a province, or collection of provinces, that are free from units, so they can serve as a buffer zone between two nations. France and Italy often agree to a DMZ in Piedmont.

NAP, Non-Aggression Pact, is a loose type of alliance that doesn't involve cooperation between two countries (yet) but simply states their intention not to go to war with each other.

I've recently tried to develop the concept of "MZ", Militarized Zone. In a militarized zone, a fixed number of units can stay and do whatever they want. For example, let's take the example of France and Italy. France is happily expanding in England, and Italy is taking over Austria. (Just an example). A DMZ in Pie is now a good idea, but why not take it a step further.

For example, France could declare "Spain, and all provinces and seas bordering it" an MZ, guarded by no more than one fleet and one army, but, they can do whatever they like, so as not to give too much information to the ally. Likewise, Italy could mirror that decision for Naples and all provinces and seas bordering it.

This could be an /additional/ buffer zone, not as soft as a DMZ, not as hard as a "free zone".

What do you do to manage superpower relationships?
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
Invade.
patizcool (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
A few things:
First, what is the penalty for someone breaking the agreement of an MZ. Breaking an NAP or a DMZ is usually a pretext for war. Would you advise that Italy go to war because there is a fleet in Spain, Portugal, and MAO. It may be practical to make preparations since those are worrisome developments, but does an MZ agreement bear the same weight as does either of the other two.

Second, I believe some of the basic pillars of your idea are slightly off. While the US and the USSR both practiced detente under Kissinger, neither power was actually trying to fulfill the same goal as is a diplopower. While the US and the USSR both wanted to have a distinct advantage over the other and be the world's lone super power, being the lone super power among 6 other diplomacy countries gains you little as your goal of world domination is still far from complete and you become only a target.

I would actually say that detente in diplomacy can only be used towards the very end of the game and is better for bringing about draws than for bringing about the ultimate goal of winning. So it does have its merits, but how advantageous those merits are would definitely be questionable. Calling someone an SOB also has its merits, but again, questionable.
It's interesting to think of how it might apply to gunboat games though, if it became ingrained deepy enough to be understood. One thing I always find curious is the different way people play in gunboat verse with text, everyone seems much more at exhother's throats in gunboat (from my limited experience).
redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
@YJ lol ehm.. yeah sure that can be a solution to a lot of problems.
@patizcool; re: penalty. It's not so much about penalty, it's just that you have an additional buffer zone. If you see an additional troop to the MZ, you simply do what you believe is necessary to resolve the conflict; diplomacy, picking a vulnerable SC or declaring all out war on your ally. Or you can agree to a punishment together; such as sending 2 additional units into your own MZ and waiting for the conflict to pass. The advantage is that all that gives you ample time to prepare for a war with a former ally, whereas a stab often catches you off guard.

As for the last two paragraphs, I'd say just give it a shot!
redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
@AncientMemories; I'd say try it out, but you'd have to "convince" the webdip community of the use of MZs for them to become part of culture, and then you'd need to be able to signal it. Anyways, I don't play gunboat so I don't really know :-)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
bump


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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - [ LIVE ] Breaking Bad "Gunboat Edition"-2
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
01 Apr 12 UTC
Mod Team why can't you be cool?
And do something like this http://route50.net/forum/thread/4074/1
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
01 Apr 12 UTC
I'm leaving this site permanently.
Reasons inside thread.
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tendmote (100 D(B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
Why have 20 minute rounds in a "live" gunboat game?
What can someone even be doing for 20 minutes if there is no messaging? I entered such a "live" game... it's moving too slow!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Apr 12 UTC
This kind of e-mail abuse is not good ........ or is it? Discuss
A couple of e-mails received today from my good comrade krellin, what is this all about, he obviously didn't have the guts to post it on the forum but I do. Is this acceptable behaviour?
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Pemster (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Azawad
Just curious if anyone here has any thought on the situation in northern Mali/Azawad. It seems extremely unlikely to me that 2,000 ECOWAS troops are going to be able to fight the Tuaregs unless the MNLA splits, and I haven't really heard anything indicating that that's going to happen. At the same time, all of this seems to be happening kind of quickly. Are they prepared to set up a government?
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Chanakya. (703 D)
31 Mar 12 UTC
I won for the first time:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84713

I won this game and Is the first time to see the win..:) I am happy!
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Mar 12 UTC
I fap to this.
What do YOU fap to?
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
30 Mar 12 UTC
Have you ever made a horrible decision and not realized it until after you've done it?
Well I have. In fact, there are only two things in this life that I've done that were incredibly stupid. The first is not putting oil in my vehicle until the engine blew when I was a kid. The second was un-muting Krellin. Not sure why this guy hasn't been banned yet but, like the damage to my motor, ability to not hate idiots will never be fixed again.
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