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Today is Palm Sunday....on Friday we mourn the death of the greatest man to walk the Earth. Though He was both God and yet man. For those of you who do not realize the sheer magnitude of God's Love and sacrifice through this gesture of Grace, I would like for you to go out, purchase a Bible, and read the whole thing.
And the Bad News Just Keeps Marching In For Eden...
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nflpa-warns-players-may-face-criminal-charges-bounty-155246283.html Even if charges aren't brought against any players...wow, now they need lawyers? More and more, the Raiders are seriously in jeopardy of losing that "dirtiest team" mantle, fair or not, to the Saints...that SB win isn't looking as clean anymore (which is a shame, to be fair...)
A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are unreliable. C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. 47 were frauds.
At what point does it become bad form to not draw or cancel because of NMRs/CDs? It seems like it is almost inevitable to have at least one cd in live games, but is it bad to profit because of that and push on for a solo despite all the other players voting for a draw/cancel?
WebDiplomacy and The Final Crusade? (Game Proposal/Invite)
I think it's safe to say one of our most discussed/popular/maddening discussion topics here on the threads has been religion--one vs. another, atheism vs. theism, discrepancies between definitions of those identities (see: SC and I having a near-Jewish Civil War) so...anyone up for a game? Represent your denomination/branch of agnosticism/branch of atheism, we'll chat...have some wine...last players standing "win" The Last Crusade...? ;)
I was baptised as a Lutheran, but raised unreligiously and consider myself an agnostic. However, I'm interested in mysticism, sufism in particular. I believe that there may be other planes of existence, and if so, the way there is through personal reflection and development, not dogma. Don't know what I'd call myself but I can fill the slot for secular agnostic lutheran seekers if there is one ;)
Though I'll be honest--I'm far more a Cognac person myself. ;)
obiwanobiwan: Jewish Atheism President Eden: Existential...and then pick, Atheism or Agnosticism (I know you can lean agnostically atheist and all that, but as we're already going to probably have most people claim multiple leanings and/or a lot of forms of atheism/agnosticism, let's try and keep it to 2 "titles" per person...just a thought...)
Lutheran Deism for 5 Alec! I believe there is a deity and I was raised Lutheran (still go to the ELCA) so I tend towards Lutheran piety in my daily life (i.e. not on this god-forsaken site where I let loose and let you all know what I pretend to think <grin>).
It's also my understanding that the two of us follow pretty different routes of paganism, although I haven't sat down and laid it all out. A lot of my structure is based on Buddhism, although I use Greek pantheon (and Egyptian on certain occasions...they're just flat out better for things like Samhain than Greek, IMO).
I consider it very much a "religion buffet" so while we're in the same restaurant, I think our plates probably look pretty different. That's just been my experience with pagans in general...everyone has their own kind of thing going on. Which is not bad, it's actually pretty good. Since we can usually agree on enough to not get irritated at each other.
I'm definitely not a goddess-focused pagan, I'm much more into duality. So sounds like we're about at the same place there. I understand the goddess-focused pagans who have the god basically just around as window dressing being rebellious against the long western tradition in religion of all divinity being masculine, but to me overcorrecting that is just as much of a disservice. They have equal spots at the table, in my mind.
That's actually really weird and amusing that we're kinda the same but with some difference. Yeah I don't believe you can have one without the other and I really don't understand the people who worship only a goddess then blast christian for worshiping only a god.
I have done group rituals before, but I've found them to be more about who gets to be in power and all that bullshit then about actual faith. I don't need that political shit in my religion. I wouldn't go to a church because of it and I won't be in a coven cause of it.
Yeah, you have to have exactly the right coven, and I did for a while, and then the guy who ran it ended up dating the most pretentious, power-hungry, and fake woman I have ever met, who...yeah, it was easier just to walk away from that mess.
Oh, I know you were. But it was odd that I hadn't noticed you had mentioned it. And yeah, she seems more true to Wicca than you (she and I have talked a bit). Your views as described above are more pagan than Wicca specific.
Well, the creator/deity is both male and female to us pagans, Draug. Because it has all types of energy, including masculine and feminine. It's easier for us mentally if we separate it into equal male and female parts.
Although, as both Celtic and I mention, there's many people who overcorrect it into predominantly female.
Anyway, back to the mention of paganism versus Wicca and which I identify with or am closer to.
You ask 100 Wiccans to describe Wicca, you'll get 120 different answers. It's not very codified. But the vast majority of those answers will be relatively similar. Wicca is also how paganism gets officially recognized, so for a variety of purposes it's easier to say Wicca (and there's no Wicca authority that will say "no you're not").
But most of us who have been pagan for some time have our own style that is similar in some ways to what the basic definition of Wicca is, but we also recognize that there's wide differences. So most of us will say we're pagan, but then throw Wicca out there as well since, really, pagan can mean anything, it at least helps nail it down a little even if it's not wholly accurate.
Honestly, I'm tempted to start a separate "Ask a Pagan" thread, I've done it on other forums, but I really don't want to deal with the trolling it would invite.
I guess that's where my confusion comes in. For years in college, I maintained the alternative religions section at the local Waldenbooks. I read a lot of the material there voraciously. And pagan generally just meant "outside the mainstream" kind of like Catholics use to call all non-Catholic Christians "heretic". Druid was pagan. Wicca was pagan.
That is what my view of the term pagan meant. so to me there isn't a pagan religion, but any non-Abrahamic religion is pagan by nature.
Right, Druid and Wicca are both pagan, but pretty different things. But for religious discrimination cases and such, we all identify as "Wiccan" because it's officially recognized. And for other things too...I have had two employers that had alternate holidays depending on religious preference (at one, my friend Rashid (a Muslim) and I would always end up working Christmas, which we didn't care at all about, but would get Eid or Yule off instead, guaranteed). But it had to be a recognized religion.
Sorry again. I just keep havignthese humorous quotes that are so readily adaptable pop into my head today. And no, I haven't been hitting the scotch a bit early. I'm still at work for about 5 more minutes.
Looks like a player in our game got kicked out and someone took their place. The game is here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=84494 The player in question is India, who was eighnjel or something like that, and is now timgard. India didn't log in all weekend but Argentina has never logged in and has not been kicked out. Is there any way to reverse this? Why did it happen? How do we replace Argentina?
How would you all like to be in on an experiment? How about I mod the forum. Any hate, trolling, etc... I see I silence. If the op posts it again because I silenced the thread, I ban. Maybe then you guys will appreciate the freedom and stop trolling and crapping up the forum. Thoughts?
In Defense of mapleleaf, krellin, and All the Rest...
We've created them. They have as much right to speak their mind and spew as much vitriol as I spew Shakespeare...the same way we've made me into the seeming embodiment of the long-winded pseudo-intellectual Ivory Tower elitist, we've created these trolls, too...you pay them heed, and you lend credence to their creed. Respond, mute them, ignore them...but they have their right to speak, too...