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krellin (46 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
ACMAC --- LEAGUE INFO??
ACMAC - You either haven't been on since last night or are not checking your PM's. Need the League ID # to join Fan B.B. league.

(Sorry for using the forums in this way...)
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Tettleton's Chew (0 D X)
03 Apr 12 UTC
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Speaking of the sad state of science
A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are unreliable. C. Glenn Begley identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. 47 were frauds.
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AncientMemories (174 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Question/debate
At what point does it become bad form to not draw or cancel because of NMRs/CDs? It seems like it is almost inevitable to have at least one cd in live games, but is it bad to profit because of that and push on for a solo despite all the other players voting for a draw/cancel?
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obiwanobiwan (250 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
WebDiplomacy and The Final Crusade? (Game Proposal/Invite)
I think it's safe to say one of our most discussed/popular/maddening discussion topics here on the threads has been religion--one vs. another, atheism vs. theism, discrepancies between definitions of those identities (see: SC and I having a near-Jewish Civil War) so...anyone up for a game? Represent your denomination/branch of agnosticism/branch of atheism, we'll chat...have some wine...last players standing "win" The Last Crusade...? ;)
Existentialist agnostic atheist. In.
Oh, and is it cheap unpretentious wine?
Vaftrudner (2533 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I was baptised as a Lutheran, but raised unreligiously and consider myself an agnostic. However, I'm interested in mysticism, sufism in particular. I believe that there may be other planes of existence, and if so, the way there is through personal reflection and development, not dogma. Don't know what I'd call myself but I can fill the slot for secular agnostic lutheran seekers if there is one ;)
obiwanobiwan (250 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
It's whatever you want...

Though I'll be honest--I'm far more a Cognac person myself. ;)

OK, so...

obiwanobiwan: Jewish Atheism
President Eden: Existential...and then pick, Atheism or Agnosticism (I know you can lean agnostically atheist and all that, but as we're already going to probably have most people claim multiple leanings and/or a lot of forms of atheism/agnosticism, let's try and keep it to 2 "titles" per person...just a thought...)
obiwanobiwan (250 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
LOL...case in point on people taking applicable to many vantage points--

Vaftrudner! :D

How does Lutheran Agnostic work for you?

obiwanobiwan: Jewish Atheism
President Eden: Existential Atheism/Agnosticism (either one...)
Vaftrudner: Lutheran Agnosticism?
Agnosticism and atheism are entirely different questions.

If we need to keep it to two titles, then existentialist atheism - your premise deals with the normative, not the positive.
Vaftrudner (2533 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Fuck it, just put me under "Undecided"
zultar (3790 D Mod (P))
30 Mar 12 UTC
I like how agnosticism isn't good enough for Vaft, but "too close to call" is fine.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Lutheran Deism for 5 D Alec! I believe there is a deity and I was raised Lutheran (still go to the ELCA) so I tend towards Lutheran piety in my daily life (i.e. not on this god-forsaken site where I let loose and let you all know what I pretend to think <grin>).
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I'll go in as one of our two pagans. You can call me Wiccan if that's wasier.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Man, I was hoping CelticFox would be our pagan. Just kidding SD. I seriously musty have overlooked it in the past when you mentioned it. Must have been a bad month or something. :-)
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
LOL, I was totally joking about pouting about you not remembering. Man, like I remember everything about everybody.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
It's also my understanding that the two of us follow pretty different routes of paganism, although I haven't sat down and laid it all out. A lot of my structure is based on Buddhism, although I use Greek pantheon (and Egyptian on certain occasions...they're just flat out better for things like Samhain than Greek, IMO).
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
@SD Not really just I follow the Celtic god more often then Greek or Egyptian as well as a very dualistic approach to everything.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
But then again I';m also a solitary practitioner which sets me apart from a lot of the Pagans I know.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I consider it very much a "religion buffet" so while we're in the same restaurant, I think our plates probably look pretty different. That's just been my experience with pagans in general...everyone has their own kind of thing going on. Which is not bad, it's actually pretty good. Since we can usually agree on enough to not get irritated at each other.

I'm definitely not a goddess-focused pagan, I'm much more into duality. So sounds like we're about at the same place there. I understand the goddess-focused pagans who have the god basically just around as window dressing being rebellious against the long western tradition in religion of all divinity being masculine, but to me overcorrecting that is just as much of a disservice. They have equal spots at the table, in my mind.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I've gone to group rituals, but I consider myself mainly a solitary.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
That's actually really weird and amusing that we're kinda the same but with some difference. Yeah I don't believe you can have one without the other and I really don't understand the people who worship only a goddess then blast christian for worshiping only a god.

I have done group rituals before, but I've found them to be more about who gets to be in power and all that bullshit then about actual faith. I don't need that political shit in my religion. I wouldn't go to a church because of it and I won't be in a coven cause of it.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Yeah, you have to have exactly the right coven, and I did for a while, and then the guy who ran it ended up dating the most pretentious, power-hungry, and fake woman I have ever met, who...yeah, it was easier just to walk away from that mess.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Oh, I know you were. But it was odd that I hadn't noticed you had mentioned it. And yeah, she seems more true to Wicca than you (she and I have talked a bit). Your views as described above are more pagan than Wicca specific.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
We;; considering I don't do formal rituals that takes me out of the wicca category to some pureists.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I've never gotten why we have to think the creator/deity has to be male or female. It just is, kind of like His Noodliness. You never hear the FSM "wroshippers" argue about his sex.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
And yes, I know the FSM "worshippers" are poking fun at religion and faith. That's why I used the "".
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74265&viewArchive=Messages

Dec 21, 2011, Draugster.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Well, that explains it. It briefly came up in global chat (I see I think 5 references) four days before Christmas. Yep, just got overlooked.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Well, the creator/deity is both male and female to us pagans, Draug. Because it has all types of energy, including masculine and feminine. It's easier for us mentally if we separate it into equal male and female parts.

Although, as both Celtic and I mention, there's many people who overcorrect it into predominantly female.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
And some, like me, who actually believe there's 1 god and 1 goddess.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Aha, there's our first major difference.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
So it is. Yet though we believe differently we respect each others beliefs.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I'm pretty laissez faire when it comes to religion. Whatever anyone wants to believe or not believe is cool by me.

Which might make me a bad candidate for this sort of game.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
Ditto SD ditto
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
THE PAGANS ARE TAKING OVER YOUR THREAD, OBI.

Anyway, back to the mention of paganism versus Wicca and which I identify with or am closer to.

You ask 100 Wiccans to describe Wicca, you'll get 120 different answers. It's not very codified. But the vast majority of those answers will be relatively similar. Wicca is also how paganism gets officially recognized, so for a variety of purposes it's easier to say Wicca (and there's no Wicca authority that will say "no you're not").

But most of us who have been pagan for some time have our own style that is similar in some ways to what the basic definition of Wicca is, but we also recognize that there's wide differences. So most of us will say we're pagan, but then throw Wicca out there as well since, really, pagan can mean anything, it at least helps nail it down a little even if it's not wholly accurate.

Honestly, I'm tempted to start a separate "Ask a Pagan" thread, I've done it on other forums, but I really don't want to deal with the trolling it would invite.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
Imagine the drinking game we could come up with for it though.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I guess that's where my confusion comes in. For years in college, I maintained the alternative religions section at the local Waldenbooks. I read a lot of the material there voraciously. And pagan generally just meant "outside the mainstream" kind of like Catholics use to call all non-Catholic Christians "heretic". Druid was pagan. Wicca was pagan.

In fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

That is what my view of the term pagan meant. so to me there isn't a pagan religion, but any non-Abrahamic religion is pagan by nature.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Right, Druid and Wicca are both pagan, but pretty different things. But for religious discrimination cases and such, we all identify as "Wiccan" because it's officially recognized. And for other things too...I have had two employers that had alternate holidays depending on religious preference (at one, my friend Rashid (a Muslim) and I would always end up working Christmas, which we didn't care at all about, but would get Eid or Yule off instead, guaranteed). But it had to be a recognized religion.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
30 Mar 12 UTC
I believe paganism is any earth based faith. I could be wrong though.

I always end up working holidays like Easter and Christmas (My store is one of the few open on Christmas). I like to though since most people are just grateful we're open.
obiwanobiwan (250 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
......................ok...........

I'll admit, I didn't forsee the Pagans coming...lol...
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
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The pagans are revolting! Yes!
The pagans have always been revolting my lord, but now they are rebelling.

Sorry, pagans, peasants. It just popped into my head.
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
In broad strokes, paganism is any non-Abrahamic faith. In modern parlance, it usually means an earth-based alternative faith.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
Nobody expects the Pagan Inquisiton!

Sorry again. I just keep havignthese humorous quotes that are so readily adaptable pop into my head today. And no, I haven't been hitting the scotch a bit early. I'm still at work for about 5 more minutes.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
The Pagans are comng! The Pagans are coming! (from the little known movie "The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!")
SacredDigits (120 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
My wife's work actually encourages them to drink during their lunch break. So...there's that.

We joke about it. She works for the main office of a bank. Fiscal crisis: explained.
Draugnar (25 D X)
30 Mar 12 UTC
I went to school with someone who works at a brewery. She's always posting about the beer lunches on Fridays. So f'ing jealous!
Iceray0 (266 D (B))
03 Apr 12 UTC
Penis. That about sums up my contribution to this thread.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
03 Apr 12 UTC
After re-reading a few of these last comments I think I need to go watch something from either Mel Brooks or Monty Python.
Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds watchin' movies is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical cinematic ceremony.


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Yonni (433 D)
30 Mar 12 UTC
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Currently recruiting tournaments
Because there has been some confusion and befuddlement, here is the current status of 'new' tournaments on this site:
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Yonni (433 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Looking for sub
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mapleleaf (0 D X)
23 Mar 12 UTC
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What's the story on Fag-Naur?
Did he give any reason for his latest return? I'm curious.
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ghug (2734 D (B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - Speak softly and carry a big stick
gameID=79564

Good game everyone, I'll get something up either in the next few hours or tomorrow night.
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krellin (46 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Office Space...WebDip...
see below...
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
01 Apr 12 UTC
Any motorcyclists out there?
What you riding?
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demonpants (846 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Player kicked out?
Looks like a player in our game got kicked out and someone took their place. The game is here: http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=84494 The player in question is India, who was eighnjel or something like that, and is now timgard. India didn't log in all weekend but Argentina has never logged in and has not been kicked out. Is there any way to reverse this? Why did it happen? How do we replace Argentina?
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BusDespres (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min game in 5 min. needs only 1!!!!!!!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84920
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Diplomat33 (232 D (B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
I wanna play some good people in an anon classic game.
Who wants to play? Bet of 5-10 I think. (It kills me to go back under 300, but oh well) Love people like MadMarx to play but I realize they got better things to do. So who's in?
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fortknox (2059 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
An experiment?
How would you all like to be in on an experiment?
How about I mod the forum. Any hate, trolling, etc... I see I silence. If the op posts it again because I silenced the thread, I ban. Maybe then you guys will appreciate the freedom and stop trolling and crapping up the forum. Thoughts?
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BusDespres (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min. Needs 5!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84919
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BusDespres (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
5 min. game anyone?
anybody trying to play a quick game?
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obiwanobiwan (250 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
In Defense of mapleleaf, krellin, and All the Rest...
We've created them.
They have as much right to speak their mind and spew as much vitriol as I spew Shakespeare...the same way we've made me into the seeming embodiment of the long-winded pseudo-intellectual Ivory Tower elitist, we've created these trolls, too...you pay them heed, and you lend credence to their creed. Respond, mute them, ignore them...but they have their right to speak, too...
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abgemacht (700 D (G))
01 Apr 12 UTC
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Mod-a-Day Program
After listening to your suggestions about self-moderation, we've decided to try something new. Basically, we will give a user with a reasonable record mod privileges for one day to help keep order in the forum. We hope this will prevent any one person from going crazy with power, as it will only be for 24 hours. If you're interested, please post here.
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redhouse1938 (783 D)
01 Apr 12 UTC
"Détente, or managing relationships between large diplopowers"
A story follows.
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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - [ LIVE ] Breaking Bad "Gunboat Edition"-2
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goldfinger0303 (657 D)
01 Apr 12 UTC
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Mod Team why can't you be cool?
And do something like this http://route50.net/forum/thread/4074/1
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Thucydides (869 D (B))
01 Apr 12 UTC
I'm leaving this site permanently.
Reasons inside thread.
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tendmote (100 D (B))
02 Apr 12 UTC
Why have 20 minute rounds in a "live" gunboat game?
What can someone even be doing for 20 minutes if there is no messaging? I entered such a "live" game... it's moving too slow!
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NigeeBaby (0 D (G))
01 Apr 12 UTC
This kind of e-mail abuse is not good ........ or is it? Discuss
A couple of e-mails received today from my good comrade krellin, what is this all about, he obviously didn't have the guts to post it on the forum but I do. Is this acceptable behaviour?
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Pemster (100 D)
02 Apr 12 UTC
Azawad
Just curious if anyone here has any thought on the situation in northern Mali/Azawad. It seems extremely unlikely to me that 2,000 ECOWAS troops are going to be able to fight the Tuaregs unless the MNLA splits, and I haven't really heard anything indicating that that's going to happen. At the same time, all of this seems to be happening kind of quickly. Are they prepared to set up a government?
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Chanakya. (635 D)
31 Mar 12 UTC
I won for the first time:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84713

I won this game and Is the first time to see the win..:) I am happy!
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
31 Mar 12 UTC
I fap to this.
What do YOU fap to?
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Tru Ninja (611 D (S))
30 Mar 12 UTC
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Have you ever made a horrible decision and not realized it until after you've done it?
Well I have. In fact, there are only two things in this life that I've done that were incredibly stupid. The first is not putting oil in my vehicle until the engine blew when I was a kid. The second was un-muting Krellin. Not sure why this guy hasn't been banned yet but, like the damage to my motor, ability to not hate idiots will never be fixed again.
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Gobbledydook (100 D (B))
01 Apr 12 UTC
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Dear krellin and mapleleaf,
You are a disgrace to the forum.
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Skeletor P. Funk (0 D X)
01 Apr 12 UTC
Looking for 1 player
we need 1 more player for a world game, gentlemen's croquet III: time to shine, the password is jungleadventure
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