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Hauta (1598 D (S))
15 Mar 17 UTC
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Should America make Russia our
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/15/ann-coulter-lets-make-russia-sister-country/

Coulter's logic seems to be that if the Dems don't like Russia, then Russia must be good. btw, Dems are against AIDS too.
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Carebear (100 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
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Suggestion: Full Press Communication Games Creation Option
One can always password games. But, it has limitations. What about tracking players communication levels in Full Press games? Assign a Press Level to each player based on amount of communication. Then, add a creation option to Full Press games for a minimum Press Level.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Acting AG Dana Boente is gonna have hell to pay tomorrow
Dana Boente, Obama holdover who is acting AG because Jeff Sessions recused himself is the guy who authorized James Comey to disclose that the Trumpov Team is under investigation for ties to Russia. Did not see that coming!
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Peregrine Falcon (1531 D (B))
20 Mar 17 UTC
Non-SoW Game
Stop being off-topic
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brainbomb (474 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
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John Cena!
The purpose of this thread is just to appreciate everything that John Cena Mill was. His amazingly useful quotes specifically.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Mar 17 UTC
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How can I get some of that Putin money like Manafort?
What's it take to get on Putin's payroll? That guy pays a lot!
Just found out that Manafort owns an apartment at Trump Tower. I presume it's on a lower floor than Trump. Do the wires from Trump's penthouse travel through Manafort's level?
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brainbomb (474 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
Is playing with snakes harder?
yo, i got a question.
am i the only one finding it extremely hard and frustrating playing with cobras?
i am not the most experienced snake charmer in the world, but ive had my share of snakes in my hands and reading on their scales.
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abgemacht (840 D (G))
09 Feb 17 UTC
webDip Player Map!
Post here with your City, Country, and Color Preference to be added to the map!
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zkz1OHicklqk.ky67Va8gNVi0
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Treason depends on the definition of Enemy
Art III, Sec 3 of the Constitution defines treason, sort of. It depends on who an "Enemy" is. Back in the day when war was declared by Congress and peace was made by treaty, this was not a problem...
Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
...but nowadays the definition of "Enemy" is murky. Are members of Trump's team guilty of treason (assuming they did what the left suspects)?

Art III, Sec 3 of US Constituion:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."
JECE (1322 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
How comforting.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Isn't there an official 'enemies of the state' list? Like Trump said the media, right?
Hauta (1598 D (S))
21 Mar 17 UTC
interesting note, it looks like a case for treason is brought in the courts, as opposed to impeachment which Congress handles.
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Technically the United States is at peace with Russia since the Treaty with Russia for the Purchase of Alaska on March 30, 1867.
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
This is the sesquicentennial of the treaty.
Lethologica (203 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
"interesting note, it looks like a case for treason is brought in the courts, as opposed to impeachment which Congress handles."

Treason is the *first* thing the Constitution lists as grounds for impeachment (along with bribery and 'other high crimes and misdemeanors'). Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding, and the courts may *also* pursue criminal penalties for whatever got someone impeached--it's not either/or.

Anyway--the original question is incoherent without some accounting of "what the left suspects." However, I think it's unlikely that even the worst fears of the left are compatible with the intentionally quite narrow Constitutional definition of treason.
peterlund (1315 D (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Treason is to collude with the enemy. The enemy should be identical to the enemies of the constitution (any act that threatens the freedom and democratic rights of the citizens of a country).

And I just happen to know where one of the worst Traitors is and I can give you some hints of the location of this Traitor in case you are interested... :)
Lethologica (203 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
peterlund, that is certainly a novel interpretation of the law. Would you like to submit your interpretation for judicial scrutiny?
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
i am not interested in your conspiracy
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Loads of stuff to say, but i think it is spread across the 'should we make friends with Russia' (Stephen Cohen says yes); Economics of News; and 'Deep State' (Glenn Greenwald says the NSA/CIA/Pentagon are more dangerous to the US than Trump) threads.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
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First, I'm not sure why you think it has to be tried in court. The only reference is to a confession in open court, but the two witnesses to the same act isn't necessarily in court. Also, one might ask whether an impeachment trial qualifies as a court for the purposes of this clause.

Second, as you say "enemies" is undefined. I'd suggest that it is broader than "countries we have declared war on" since there are references to enemies foreign and domestic. Congress has defined it as countries, governments groups or persons engaged in hostilities, but that might not govern here.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
To answer that question posed, that'd in turn suggest the question of whether disrupting our elections qualifies as hostilities
Condescension (10 D X)
21 Mar 17 UTC
CAPT Brad is not interested in the "conspiracy" that the FBI director very recently used specific language to validate.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
FBI director, is he a Trump appointee (and should he be?) or a deep state position which survive individual election cycles and thus keeps the US secure regardless of who the current President happens to be?

And what are the motives of the Deep State, when it comes to Russia. (I'm not even saying their claims are necessarily false, they could be true and still motivated by institutional bias towards war with Russia)
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
As others have pointed out "high crimes and misdemeanors" is a separate thing and doesn't need to be treason. Frankly, neither does bribery. I'd say there are a number of things that qualify there. Probably the clearest is changing the administration's policy on One China in exchange for some quick granting of highly valuable Chinese trademarks. What is even better is that now it isn't just the Russians with Kompromat on Trump. Lovely.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Comey was appointed by Obama (stupidly) for a ten year term but can be fired by Trump. He was one of the witch hunters on whitewater that rabidly found nothing wrong
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Of course Capt Brad isn't interested in the issue. He would be doubtless very ahppy to turn the whole country over to Russia to rule as a colony as long as they were harsh on gay people, women, and minorities. That's roughly the deal the GOP struck with Putin
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
The Stephen Cohen video i linked on another thread discusses how there are differences within the security community regarding how to deal with any issue; so one Obama appointee with a plan to get rid of Trump isn't enough.

Am i right in saying, no impeachment can succeed without the Republicans onboard?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Also, it is not all of the GOP, there are several members of the party who oppose any detente with Russia. They just happen not to be in the majority, and are waiting until the get everything they can out of Trump on domestic issues...
abgemacht (840 D (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
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It's hard to imagine someone would actually believe the Republican Party is colluding to have Russia vassalize the US solely so they could oppress gays
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Is it? It appears that both the Trump campaign and certain members of Congress including McConnell were in on a plan to work with Russia to get power for themselves. Such a deal obviously comes with serious strings attached that will subordinate US interest to Russian ones. The only reason such a deal would seem like a good idea is because they feel that advancing their party platform is more inportamt than protecting the interests of the country. In fact, we have repeatedly seen the GOP put party ahead of country for fifteen years now. So, no, it isn't hard to imagine. In fact, it would be hard to imagine them turning down such a deal
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
It's quite hard to imagine. Sorry.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Not for anyone who knows US politics it isnt
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
I know US politics. Thanks for the not-so-subtle dig, though. Saying something that might get on my profile probably gets you silenced half the time now, so I'll take what I can get.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
The GOP is working to put Russia in charge of the country? I don't know, I remember a certain presidential nominee not too long ago (Romney) who labeled Russia as the U.S.'s number 1 geopolitical foe and was then mocked by the left for it relentlessly.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Seeing as your the one doing the silencing, I'm not sure you're in a position to complain.
Ogion (3982 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Romney has zero clout in the GOP. It's trumps party and Bannon's party and they hate propel like Romney. And a lot of us on the left agreed completely with Romney. His problem wasn't in foreign policy as much, I'll give him that.
abgemacht (840 D (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
I don't think Trump has nearly as much control over the GOP as Clinton has over the Democrats
orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
No 1 threat to humanity, a nuclear war between Russia and the US. Detente between the teo has worked before; would help russia deal with its domestic terrorism problems (Islamic terrorists in the caucuses who have all kinds of ties to Afghanistan, Syria, and the foes the US has been fighting internationally).

Also the potential Exxon mobile oil deal with Russia if economic sanctions are lifted.

All kinds of reasons for Russia to like the plan. The US meanwhile is a bit split and indecisive on the issue.

But to suggest that it is about oppressing gays? I mean maybe the GOP wants some tips, as Russia is pretty good at suppressing rights of citizens, and lgbt citizens in particular... I remain unconvinced.
Lethologica (203 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Let us at least steelman the theory so far as to say it's about the GOP's domestic agenda as a whole, rather than specifically focusing on oppressing gay people. Still dubious.
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Who said I was complaining, Ogion? I was harassed more than anyone else in the history of this site for years. My profile was a great way to own it and make it as fun for me as it was for the idiots who did it.

Ora, nuclear war between North Korea and the US or between India and Pakistan is way more likely than between the US and Russia.
abgemacht (840 D (G))
22 Mar 17 UTC
"I was harassed more than anyone else in the history of this site for years."

Well that's just not true
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
I guess I will never make Bo's wall. Regardless of our positions politically I could never personally attack such a decent fellow. Besides he likes PiNk FloYd. '[;-)
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Drop a few names then, abge. I deserved a lot of it, but there are only a few people I can think of that come close and only one of them stuck around.
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Ogion however.......
abgemacht (840 D (G))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Diplofool comes to mind, or atom, or CM
Ogion (3982 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
Climate change is vastly more certain than any wars and buddying up with Russia isn't going to help that
Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Anti-gay agenda is not what republicans care (like McConnell and Ryan) about. They want tax cuts to "starve the beast" as Gordon norquist put it. Trump's team is all about corruption. They get paid a lot and selling out America is just a cost of "doing business". Anti-gay, pro gun, honor the troops/flag, anti-immigrant rhetoric is a cheap way to get the votes they need to maintain power.
Hauta (1598 D (S))
22 Mar 17 UTC
*talk about in private
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Lmao I forgot KA, CM was one of the ones I thought of. Hard to get away scot free with 20,000+ posts in a span of a few years I guess.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
@Bo, nuclear war between the US and Russia is much more dangerous because you have more nukes. North Korea has a very limited number (afaik, love to see an estimate) and India vs Pakistan would likely be a local conflict - though it could still cause global devestation if a nuclear winter was triggered.

The US has militrary bases all over the world, and Russia has nuclear weapons the shoot all of them.

I, for one, would rather avoid this war if at all possible. If that means Trump needs to learn from Regan to effectively negotiate with Putin - in a way Bush and Obama failed to then perhaps all hope is lost, but i do fear the internal forces will push Trump out before he gets a chance...
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
What!?! Ortho, you are redeemable after all. Yes Reagan did more for world peace than many on the left credit him for. He was not satisfied with limitation. He wanted reduction and elimination; but needed a robust military stick with his resolve for change.
bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Ora, once one nuke is fired, no matter who fires it, a lot of nuked are gonna at least be taken out of storage and readied for takeoff. Russia and the US are very unlikely to fire the first shot. It's a stupid concern. North Korea is not a stupid concern, nor is India and Pakistan. None of them would be "local" conflicts.
CAPT Brad (2624 D (B))
22 Mar 17 UTC
Who's Next?

One of the big news items of the past year concerned the fact that China, which we called "Red China," exploded a nuclear bomb, which we called a device. Then Indonesia announced that it was going to have one soon, and proliferation became the word of the day. Here's a song about that:

First we got the bomb, and that was good,
'Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's okay,
'Cause the balance of power's maintained that way.
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve,
'Cause they're on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears,
They can't wipe us out for at least five years.
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white.
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel's getting tense.
Wants one in self defense.
"The Lord's our shepherd," says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb.
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go,
And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb.
Who's next?

Tom Lehrer - Who's Next?
pastoralan (100 D)
22 Mar 17 UTC
The days when war is declared by Congress are not over, which is why the last treason cases prosecuted in the United States involved World War II. Treason is not a charge that should be thrown around lightly--it's a capital offense for a reason.


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JamesYanik (548 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Is This Bipartisan?
so conservatives don't like forcing taxes from people, and liberals like social programs. so, how do we fund social programs without taxes?
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lalaland (0 D X)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Greetings, join a live game if you inquire....
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194403
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LeonWalras (288 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
John Rawls!
The purpose of this thread is that if you knew everything about it, you'd be willing to enter it in a random place.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
21 Mar 17 UTC
Economics of News
I know we touched on this in the Glenn Greenwald thread, but vox has a great youtube video about it...
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Ogion (3982 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
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Meanwhile, massive coral die offs three decades early
While the genius Republicans are screaming "fake news" the real world (I.e., the planet Earth) is suffering hideous consequences from conservative stupidity.
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brainbomb (474 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
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Tomi Lahren suspended from the Blaze for admitting shes Pro Choice
“You know what? I’m for limited government, so stay out of my guns, and you can stay out of my body as well."
The republican love affair with Tomi Lahren has met an awkward crossroads.
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The Ambassador (149 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
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WebDip Hall of Fame covered on DiplomacyCast
Hi everyone, a new episode has (at last) dropped for the Diplomacy Games podcast...
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SeattleSlew (100 D)
21 Mar 17 UTC
Old and Slow
Anybody up for a classic 3 day phase game? I'd like to give this site a try
gameID=194359
Password: Graves
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dobreni (0 D X)
18 Mar 17 UTC
how do you think a team game wll be fair? how many teams ?
3 teams
1 Fr+En
2 Tr+Ru
3 It+Au+Ge
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2ndWhiteLine (2370 D (B))
15 Mar 17 UTC
GB 1 and 2
Since one game is stuck in pause purgatory and the other is an NMR ridden disaster, who wants to start a new round? No RR requirements but I have final say over who plays.
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gjdip (630 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Replacement needed F01
Russia NMR in S01. Replacement much appreciated. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194119.
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Fluminator (511 D)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Climate Change Denial
So recently I've been considering becoming a climate change denier. What are people's thoughts on this? What would be some pros and cons to becoming one?
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Crazy Anglican (172 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
"Everyone show up for this school" EoG's
If you want to post here.
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Tastyjc7 (100 D X)
20 Mar 17 UTC
Join full web dip
I want people to join the game because it's no messaging and it's anonymous so it's just pure 1v1 with everyone! Let's see who is the best!
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Chanakya. (598 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
Why are people not playing LIVE games nowadays?
I am back after a long time. 4 years to be precise. But when I left, there used to be a lot of LIVE games all the times. Now, whenever I peek the website out of curiosity, I never find a LIVE game. I tried making rooms, but no one ever joined!

What happened here? :p
Care to brief me a bit?
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CptMike (3450 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
Does a tap on our unit cancel their support ?
Let's assume I have 2 units ( A and B ) and I give these orders :
A supports [ Anything to Anywhere ]
B moves to A
Is the support of A cancelled or not ?
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bo_sox48 (4238 D Mod (G))
18 Mar 17 UTC
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RIP Chuck Berry
Of all the people that have influenced music in the last 60 years, from the Beatles to Muddy Waters to whoever you like, Chuck Berry will probably be the one they still talk about hundreds of years down the road. A real legend in music.
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spacecadet (329 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
is playing with noobs harder?
yo, i got a question.
am i the only one finding it extremely hard and frustrating playing with new players?
i am not the most experienced player in the world, but ive had my share of games and reading on the game.
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Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
16 Mar 17 UTC
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Proposed Budget
How ridiculous is this thing???

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-budget-idUSKBN16M1DO
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
18 Mar 17 UTC
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Taxes on the rich are too low
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts
I've been bitching about America's high military spending compared to other countries, but as a % of GDP it has remained steady at approx 5%. Still high but...
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Djharkavy (108 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
American Empire 179318
American Empire
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194219
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