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Hauta (1598 D (S))
18 Mar 17 UTC
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Taxes on the rich are too low
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts
I've been bitching about America's high military spending compared to other countries, but as a % of GDP it has remained steady at approx 5%. Still high but...
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Also...James your comment just doesn't make sense either. Slypups' line of reasoning is perfectly fine. I disagree with the point of view, but the logic itself is fine
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Eh, I disagree with his reasoning. He asserts that some of us have more to lose than others in the event of an invasion by a foreign power. I'd say we all have the same amount to lose, our life. No one can lose more than another when that is at stake. Therefore, we should all pay the same.
You can lose your assets too. And the ability to pass them on to your heirs. Is that not worth something? For the overwhelming vast majority of the population, their life will not be at stake if our military vanishes overnight
But corporations - and those who own them - would certainly lose a lot
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
The assets mean nothing when life is involved. Say person 1 has a net worth of $100,000. Person 2 has a net worth of $1,000,000. They both die, they lose the same amount, life itself. They both have the same to lose. If death wasn't a factor, the assets would matter, but it is. I would dispute that last statement, I believe everyone would be in mortal danger if the military was completely gone. Many crazy fanatics in the world who would do terrible things.
Lol, you have some distorted view of the world if you think we'd all die without a military‚Äč.

Also, from your point of view life insurance is worthless then? The whole industry doesn't need to exist? Because if you acknowledge that life insurance is a valid product, you invalidate your entire statement above
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
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Over 28,000 people died from terrorism in 2015 despite the trillions of dollars spent on defense budgets around the world and the tens of millions serving in the armed forces. What that number would look like with countries having no military to protect them, I don't want to think about. And then if you were to assume some nations would keep their military while others would not, you have to take into account the genocide that would occur if one decided to attack another (which is human nature).

I dislike life insurance just about as much as I dislike annuities.
JamesYanik (208 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
1. insurance is always bad, until something bad happens. now perhaps less risk makes investors more likely to look at a company, though i thoroughly imagine those benefits are offset by taxes.

2. the stop 1% pay nearly half of the taxes in our country, so at ANY point calling them "freeloaders" is simply using the word flippantly and irresponsibly

3. just as you say 20% of someone who makes 20k a year is more important to someone than 20% of someone who makes millions, i fail to believe the direct money transfers, free services, and other public goods (all in a greater proportion provided to the 99%) are in fact less valuable to them, than they are when handed out to a lesser extent, among millionaires. the value they hold is much greater among the 99%

the logic is NOT fine.
JamesYanik (208 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
the top*
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Oh, good thing you made that correction. I truly thought you were talking about the stop 1%.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Don't they realize that red lights shouldn't be a thing. Can't wait until we have the go 100%
Alright, well clearly I'm not going anywhere in this argument since I appear to be arguing with children. When you grow up and learn the value of insurance, do let me know. And Manwe, annuities are a payment structure. What on earth is wrong with that.

JY, I don't disagree with point 3. But fail to see the connection to the other points.
JamesYanik (208 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
@gold

he's calling them freeloaders, when they're paying for nearly half of all taxes. i mean... even if you think they should pay more, "freeloader" is an entirely unfair term
JamesYanik (208 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
it's not a connection of the points, it's individual things that slypups said that i disagree with.

and yes i understand insurance is important, though it's a gamble to neutralize something bad, AND it allows for greater security.

i'm just arguing about the total value of that, compared to what the lower 99% receive
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Children is plural, but I know you weren't referring to me.

What's wrong with annuities is that they involve you surrendering control of your finances so that someone else can earn a return on your money giving you absolutely no benefit with all of the costs. There's no reason you should put your money into an annuity instead of your own self-managed investment account unless you don't have the self-control to keep your money there or are too lazy to learn the bare minimum required to choose a half-decent mutual/index fund. Disclaimer: This is not a solicitation to buy, sell, or hold any security. All information that has been said is my own personal opinion and for informational purposes only.
CAPT Brad (1847 D (B))
18 Mar 17 UTC
Of course the government will seize half the money in annuities and savings accounts to pay for social programs because you are 'rich' if you have either and we cannot have that at all. We must spread the pain and punish the successful who have acquired this wealth!
Condescension (343 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
I think we need to punish Brad specifically.
Manwe - there is not much of any difference, in principle, between an annuity and a bond. So you're saying bond investments are dumb?
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
Hahaha, I don't know if you intended that pun or not, but it was hilarious. There is a huge difference in principle between an annuity and a bond. In fact, the difference is one of complete opposites. In an annuity, you get 0% of the principle back. In a bond, you get 100% of the principle back (assuming you pay par for it). The difference is night and day. One is a fool's tool while the other is a genuine investment. Disclaimer: This is not a solicitation to buy, sell, or hold any security. My own opinions have been expressed and everything said is for informational purposes only.
Well, you should look up annuities a bit more.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/annuity.asp

Annuities are simply another fixed-investment vehicle and are remarkably stable. Bonds are not guaranteed to get 100% of the principal back either. Bondholders can take haircuts when the underlying institution doesn't do well.

Seriously, I work in finance. You're trying to make apples and oranges out of two different types of apples.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
I'm in finance too, and methinks the lady doth protest too much. Do you sell annuities and life insurance or something? If you work in finance, then you should know everything I said is 100% true, but you are trying to make it sound otherwise for some reason.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
18 Mar 17 UTC
@over 28,000 people died of terrorism.

Really depends on who you count as a terrorist. Nevermind the adage 'one man's terrorist is another man's terrorist' But you also have state sponsored terrorism, and state terrorism. So Saudi Arabia (US ally) spent some time sponsoring IS, and Russia terrorised Eastern Ukraine, sending weapons and troops to destablise their biggest European neighbour.

Of course i would consider all US military actions to blow up people in foreign countries to be state terrorism. So WAAY more people have dies, because the US (in particular) uses force as an extention of diplomatic power (in the service of economic power).
CAPT Brad (1847 D (B))
18 Mar 17 UTC
orathaic you need to get out of that cabin more. Next thing you know you will be sending hand typed letters and funny packages to politicians in the mail
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
The 10-year U.S. treasury bond and an Apple bond are two different apples. A t-bill and a natural gas bond are even two different apples. But one security classification and another are definitely apples and oranges. You wouldn't say equities and options and apples to apples. Likewise, bonds to annuities are not apples to apples.

Oh, yeah, annuities are real stable all right. They guarantee you sit on a negative NPV (read loss) for many years until you just break even. Super consistent.

And depending on the type of bond, you are guaranteed to get your principle back. They call the rate on the treasuries the risk free rate for a reason. And some of those pay a higher rate than the payout rate on annuities! With guaranteed repayment of principle instead of guaranteed loss of principle!
orathaic (1009 D (B))
19 Mar 17 UTC
US driven terror acts? https://theintercept.com/2017/03/17/pentagon-denies-bombing-syrian-mosque-but-its-own-photo-may-prove-that-it-did/


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Djharkavy (108 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
American Empire 179318
American Empire
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194219
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Djharkavy (108 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
American Empire 179318
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194219
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Djharkavy (108 D)
19 Mar 17 UTC
World game 170318

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194219
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Randomizer (151 D)
16 Mar 17 UTC
Solving unemployment
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
Export those deadbeats to the US and then get the illegals to skip ahead of the line to become US citizens.
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tobyjoey (125 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
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World Diplomacy Map Alterations
Hello WebDiplomacy. I have a group of people are making a physical World Diplomacy map for a big event, but we have agreed the board has some problems. Most of the people weighing on this issue say they want to take away South Africa's unit in Antarctica and instead put it in Madagascar as a fleet. However, I am worried that, unless South Africa and Argentina actively worked to stop this, it would give Antarctica too many possibilities for expansion in its home continent.
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dobreni (1407 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
game : starting in 15 min , one more needed pls
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=194176
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zultar (3900 D Mod (P))
29 Dec 16 UTC
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Official Donation Drive and Future Plans
See inside for details.
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DemonOverlord (559 D)
18 Mar 17 UTC
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Petition to ban Capt Brad from full press games
Hi everyone. I'm starting a petition to ban capt brad from full press games. I love capt brad as much as the next person, but I think he's harming the integrity (or something) of the non-password protected full press community. Not only is he in 47 games, but he doesn't send press. Someone pls stop this
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brainbomb (99 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
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Ketchup or Mustard
The federal government.
HAPPY ST PATRICKS DAY FOOLZ
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ll667 (100 D)
17 Mar 17 UTC
Join Mediterran Shift
You are invited
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yavuzovic (121 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
In Holland.
What's happening? Can someone explain it?
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Limni (536 D)
15 Mar 17 UTC
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Abusive PMs
Is it possible to block someone from sending you messages? There's a user who is sending abusive PMs to a few players who played a game with him a few weeks ago.

Not that I'm exactly getting upset about being called a colossal berk, but it's annoying when you think it might be a legitimate message each time
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
16 Mar 17 UTC
Tom Cotton (AR) to replace Paul Ryan?
Looks like Bannon is setting up Tom Cotton to replace Paul Ryan as speaker of the house. At least getting rid of Ryan is one part of #MAGA that I can get behind.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/cotton-ryan-obamacare-repeal-replace-236102
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Mar 17 UTC
Sovereign rights?
I know lots of Americans talk the talk when it cones to states rights. But how do you feel about treaties signed with Indian Tribes guarenteeing their sovereignty? (What rights should they have? Where do you draw the line? - when this is happening: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58c20238e4b0d1078ca597af )
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JamesYanik (208 D)
15 Mar 17 UTC
Rachel Maddow has Trump's Tax Returns
I'm guessing an IRS leak? still, it's 9pm E.T. when America shall know
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stranger (611 D)
15 Mar 17 UTC
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The new 1v1 games are ruining the game stats
Couldn't there be a possibility to make games even more unranked - meaning that the result wouldn't even appear on your game stats?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Mar 17 UTC
John Snow born on this day!
Maybe more sig ifigant than the Ide of March: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v495/n7440/full/495169a.html?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews
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Hellfire Missile (90 D)
16 Mar 17 UTC
Fall of American Empire
Can a boat move from W coast to Los A?

Also for turns is it Spring, Aut, builds?
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WyattS14 (0 D)
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Income inequality in the US
How could one argue that income inequality is a bad thing, without saying that the rich are too rich, or proposing a redistribution of wealth?
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bo_sox48 (4303 D Mod (G))
16 Mar 17 UTC
webDip Bracket
Anyone want to fill out a bracket? Picking Duke isn't allowed.
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brainbomb (99 D)
16 Mar 17 UTC
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The incredible return of Boaty McBoatface
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/13/519976028/boaty-mcboatface-prepares-for-first-antarctic-mission
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MajorMitchell (1046 D)
11 Mar 17 UTC
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Western Australia votes, big win for "lefties" & Conservatives smashed
Massive defeat for Liberal Party and National Party, and far right Hanson Party slumps to 4.7% from 14%.
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CommanderByron (694 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Let's play a game
I have in my possession 3 small animals. I have preselected a rule for each (I.E if last post before getting locked is on first page then X dies) of course there is a way no animals have to die. Their fate is in your hands webdip.
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WyattS14 (0 D)
15 Mar 17 UTC
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Chili and Rice
That is all
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SuperMario0727 (214 D)
14 Mar 17 UTC
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Concerning Turkish Strategy: The Ottoman Empire
Concerning Turkish strategy and tactics, the historical endeavours of the Ottoman Empire during the Great War can be considered. Like the other Great Powers, Turkey has many fronts to consider—the Caucasus, Balkan, and Mediterranean fronts. Each front must be considered and analyzed before pursuing a campaign . . .
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
13 Mar 17 UTC
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Trumpcare - costs will be lower for everyone
MSM keeps failing to note that Trumpcare lowers the cost of healthcare for everyone by lowering PREMIUMS while reducing BENEFITS. If nothing is covered, then Republicans can lower premiums drastically, but that doesn't really solve the problem of healthcare does it?
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Deinodon (121 D (B))
15 Mar 17 UTC
Diplomacy is the official game of the Ides of March.
Et tu, Brute?
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Tom Bombadil (1540 D (G))
13 Mar 17 UTC
Vacation
So I'm taking a week off at the end of summer and am going on my first solo vacation. I've gone on several vacations with my family, but I like the idea of going somewhere alone where I can do whatever I want for a week. Looking for suggestions on destinations for a week (not a resort - something more adventurous)
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
14 Mar 17 UTC
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Trumpcare predictions?
I predict that Ryan's bill will fail and that Trump will continue to sabotage Obamacare by excusing penalty payments until Obamacare fails. Once Obamacare fails, there's no need to repeal it. Trump will just blame the Democrats for "failed Obamacare" and for failing to work with him on a plan to save it.
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