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17 Apr 13 UTC

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gmo gene silencing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FI7n_caiTvE#! is there anything to this?

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Blankflag's website

I honestly think blankflag's personality and website are just one massive troll, perhaps even on himself. The alternative is a little bit too horrifying to comprehend.

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11 Apr 13 UTC

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Group D-5 GT EOG

My thoughts on the deciding game of group D, gameID=110162.

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16 Apr 13 UTC
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Area 51 1/2

Even though everyone thinks that there is suspicious activity in Area 51, the real action is at Area 51 1/2, where Elvis, Michael Jackson, and everyone who has "disapeared" go to. They are hidden at Area 51 1/2, which is located at the East Pole in the Southwest Pacific.

And yes, Elvis and Michael Jackson are alive, just like the Wizard of Ox (not a typo) and the Truth Fairy are as well. Don't question me.

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Gunboat challenge

gameID=115271 has one wild card.The participants joined till now are:2WhiteLine,Lando,Barn3tt,Fairfax and myself.The sixth player most probably will be The Czech,I'm sure he'll join it as soon as he gets online.Based on interest shown the wild card will be given to the best positioned gunboater.So among these players:
4.Partysane,6.CSteinhardt,7.cspieker,15.guak,16.thatwasawkward and so on
the wild card goes to...?

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30 Mar 13 UTC

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EOG Game 16 Around the World Gunboat Tournament

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23 Mar 13 UTC

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EOG: Game 10 Around the World Map Gunboart Tournament

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15 Apr 13 UTC

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How much money do you need to live from rents without a job?

Bit of reasoning with it would be nice. Just curious what you guys think.

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Area 51

It does exist, does it? So what are they doing there? Is there an official statement on what they're doing there or is it classified? Or what?

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16 Apr 13 UTC
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Boston Marathon Bombing/Explosion Take 2

Blankflag, keep out.

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Takeover opportunity

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=114568
Need someone to take over Argentina.
Decent position, interesting situation

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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ber->mun + mun->ruhr + kiel->hol = pro

i came across this game and cant help but sit in awe at germanys mastery of the game. i dont think ive ever seen anything like it gameID=115218 did it give anyone else an erection lasting over 3hrs?

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Colonial Diplomacy

It says "present but not active." Can we please re-activate it? It is my all-time favorite variant and it was even a retail one for a time. It seems like a very viable option for play.

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04 Apr 13 UTC

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Spring 2013 leagues.

https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/The-php-League/leagues-spring-2013

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Has anyone ever seen this move made in spring of the last turn?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=113386&msgCountryID=0

I was France and the three of us executed quite a beautiful western triple in a public press only game. I think the idea was proposed to the entire board in 1902 and met little resistance except for maybe turkey in the Mediterranean.

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16 Apr 13 UTC

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Featured Games

What's a featured game? What makes it special aside from a high buy in?

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11 Apr 13 UTC

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Mild Weather We're Having

Hey guys! It's -2ºC in Reykjavik right now! How's the weather where you are? Try to include the temperature in the city you're in (and please tell state/territory/province/country as well).

(P.S. - this is actually remotely important to me. I was told to ask real people so weather.com isn't an option.)

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14 Apr 13 UTC

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Gunboat for people with a brain

gameID=115165 Since HumanWave has complained about his gunboat games, I've decided to set him up with a good one. Of course, he is invited. And I hope that Split and The Czech will join. I'm sending all three of you the password. If anyone else that is good wants in, just PM me. I will post the player list before we start.

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15 Apr 13 UTC

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Gunboat

There's gotta be 6 other people out there that meet these conditions:
A. want to play gunboat
B. have 3 hours
C. cant do anything about what happened in Boston

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14 Apr 13 UTC

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Italy - The Exception

"Italy - With Italy we come to the exception - the one area in which it is generally agreed that the admirable balance of Diplomacy breaks down. Italy does not have as good a chance of winning as the other six countries." - Quote from Richard Sharp book called diplomacy.

Dejan0707 (1608 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

There was one attempt to solve this problem by creating fleet Rome variant, but that only strengthen Austria greatly and gave Italy some new choices, but not really solved the problem of Italy being the weakest force in the diplomacy world.

Perhaps that could be a solution to this, the one that would have everything Italy has now and some additional possibilities to improve Italian chances to compete for supremacy. What if, we gave Italy one additional unit, to be specific, one additional fleet in Rome. 99% of the time Italy captures Tunis, but that draw away unit that cold be more valuable in the front lines rather than be sitting in the remote center of Tunis. If Italy has that build made before the game starts, there is the whole new world of possibilities. Once could be Rome-Tyrrhenian-Gol if Italy decide to go west (and that would make initially the strongest France being somewhat less strong), or perhaps Rome-Tyrhenian-Tunis and that would leave Fleet Ionian free to participate in the events regarding the Greece and Austria-Turkey correlation. Lots of options for Italy that would certainly strengthen its position. Its hard to see how would that influence other powers, but one could think that France would be somewhat weaker, Austria would not have usual 90% odds to take Greece, and Turkey would not be the defensive fortress it is now.

redhouse1938 (429 )
14 Apr 13 UTC
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Personally,
The difficulty I've had playing Italy was not so much its intrinsic weakness, but the fact that it was regarded as such. Getting nations like France, Germany and England to take you seriously from day one is hard.

airborne (154 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Personally, I prefer 1900 variant changes to deal with Italy and Austrian situation

yassem (2533 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Italy has absolutely the worst situation if we speak tactically, gunboat style. It changes though if we add the element of diplomacy. It can be a real pain in the ass for both Austria and France, and as such it has a great 'weight' in the talks. Still, I agree that especially among less experienced players Italy is often not taken seriously, but well, that is not their only problem : )

bo_sox48 (5202 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

I love playing Italy. I don't know what stats would back me up but I tend to do quite well with it.

Octavious (2701 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

I find Italy quite fun to play. It's not my worst country by any stretch of the imagination. As far as balance goes, it's only really important if you're only ever going to play a game or two, which is not the case for the vast majority of us. If you really want a game with perfect balance buy yourself a seesaw :)

TheWizard (5364 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

hm, interesting idea, Dejan....
I would worry though that Austria would be weakened sigificantly. After all, Austria basically needs the 90% shot at greece to be competitive.

I don't think Italy that weak, I actually quite love to play Italy. Also, I don't think Italy's chances are that bad at winning. I don't have statistics to back this up, but I think that Italy's chances at winning are higher then Turkey's. Terribly hard to solo with Turkey against competent players. Of course it is way easier to be in a draw with Turkey than with Italy, but I don't think Italy is that bad when it comes to winning.

Dejan0707 (1608 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

I too had better success with Italy then with some other countries (Turkey is for sure power I like playing the least, and where my play is really bad mostly) but that is not really the point of this thread. The fact is that playing Italy is harder than any other country. No one would be too happy to get Italy twice in the row in some of the tournaments played. It happened to some, and it was considered to be serious disadvantage for them and their teams.

I on the other hand would always trade Turkey for Italy. :)

P.S. I do not know what seesaw is, and it is too late at night to google it. Perhaps tomorrow :)

Maniac (189 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Italy's apparent weakness, and indeed the statistical comparative strength of all the nations, encapsulates all that is great about the game of diplomacy. Whilst the over ridding objective is to win, diplomacy recognises that that isn't always possible and the immediate objective is just to do the best you can with the position you're in.

HumanWave (337 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

It has a hard time of winning, it isn't too tough to get a draw though

redhouse1938 (429 )
14 Apr 13 UTC
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Also, you don't learn to play Diplomacy to play it just the one time. So the injustice averages out if you play more often. Plus it's a great learning experience to depart from a position of weakness. Much more educational than departing from a position of strength.

dipplayer2004 (1110 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Italy has to be patient. Opportunities usually open up to Italy after the first year or two, but the early game is very slow to develop. So Italy has to talk, become friends with everyone, and try to keep things chaotic enough that no one power runs away with a lead too quickly.

AverageWhiteBoy (314 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

If you can't win with Italy, you need to learn how to play Italy better. Simple as that.

yebellz (729 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Richard Sharp was also known to have strongly favored playing Austria and Germany. This preference certainly comes through in his book "The Game of Diplomacy" (http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/god.htm). He writes great chapters on Austria and Germany, while being quite disparaging about other countries such as Turkey and Italy.

I don't like "Fleet Rome". It essentially removes the possibility of a heavy early attack on Austria from Italy. While the extra fleet gives Italy a few more options, it takes away some options toward threatening Austria. I think it possibly helps to strengthen Austria more than it really strengthens Italy. Perhaps, Sharp suggested this variant not to really help Italy, but actually to strengthen one of his favorite nations to play.

spyman (424 )
14 Apr 13 UTC
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I think the OP can probably play Italy better than most people. He is right. Italy is hard to play, and the statistics bear this out.

There is a variant called 1900 which make some map changes which apparently resolve this problem for Italy, but I have never seen it available to play online.

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Has anyone heard of the Milan variant to strengthen Italy without hurting Austria?

A new zone is created between PIE and TYR, touching VEN and ROM in the south. http://www.diplom.org/Zine/S2007R/Roburn/milan.gif

I feel that this change would prevent the infighting that often kills one or the other, while also making it harder for France and Italy to come together and crush Venice. It DOES reduce the number of places Italy can build fleets, but Venice was normally a last choice for new fleets anyways.

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Spyman, I just googled 1900. Same variant I mentioned. Sorry for re-posting the same idea!

AverageWhiteBoy (314 )
14 Apr 13 UTC
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That also makes it harder to seal off the land route into the peninsula.

I like Italy the way it is. Damn kids these days, and their variants.

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Shut up average white boy. You're so privileged that you probably draw Russia every game.

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

In all honesty though, Italy is really fun. You get to play like a pirate for a few years because (barring some fun strategies) you're normally safe from a direct attack for a year or two.

Fairfax (1915 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Is that supposed to be a good thing?

spyman (424 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

@Rommeltastic, vDiplomacy has a variant called Milan:
http://www.vdiplomacy.net/variants.php?variantID=10

But this is different from the variant called 1900:
http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/1/1900.htm

Which variant were you referring to?

Has anyone ever played either of these variants?

spyman (424 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Actually I see now you were referring to the same game that vDip hosts -- Milan

AverageWhiteBoy (314 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

It's awesome. Breaking out of the starting position as Italy isn't THAT tough; it just requires some preparation.

You've got three neighbors: Turkey, Austria, France. You really can't expand into Turkey properly, so forget that newfangled Lepanto crap. That leaves France and Austria.

If you want to go after France, convince England and Germany to attack him too, and open Alpine Chicken. Lay claim to Mar and Spa, and let England and Germany stab each other over the rest. Next stop Serbia.

Or go after Austria first with a Crusher. Or Stab Lepanto. Or open Chicken and then backhand Austria with Pie-Tyl, Ven-Tri.

AverageWhiteBoy (314 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

And yes, Rommel, I have been drawing quite a bit of Russias lately. :P

It won't last. I'll be back to nothing but Italy before long, which I'll be glad for. :D

dipplayer2004 (1110 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

The 1900 variant strengthens Italy and Austria, but weakens France and Turkey, in my experience. I've played it a few times.

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

How does it weaken those two? Just because Austria and Italy fight less, or is there another reason?

Rommeltastic (1111 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

Right, 1900 =/= Milan. I need to write myself a sticky note for this thread.

dipplayer2004 (1110 )
14 Apr 13 UTC

France starts out surrounded by Britain, due to the Fleet in Gibraltar, and he loses the easy gains in Spain and Portugal. He also loses his corner position. From what I remember of playing it, Italy and Britain nearly always took France apart.

And the way the map was redone, Austria/Turkey becomes a really good alliance, usually, as I recall, leading to Russia being conquered by Austria.

Dejan0707 (1608 )
15 Apr 13 UTC

I agree with most of the stuff said, but still, I think a four unit Italy (with that mercenary army) would be interesting.. Imagine Italy with Fleet Rome, Fleet Naples, Army Venice, and Army Apulia. Lots of possibilities for Italy :)

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15 Apr 13 UTC

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Boroughs F2F Cancelled

Not that many people care, but I'm a bit too busy at the moment to host this. Will try again when I have more time to prepare.

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15 Apr 13 UTC

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Sitter needed

Need a sitter for live game. Has gone for too long and I need to leave. My mobile phone does not support mobile webdip so wont be able to log in more orders. Important position in the game. Thanks to anyone that can help

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12 Apr 13 UTC

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Another Global warming study?

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/11/17708881-where-did-global-warming-go-the-deep-ocean-experts-say?lite
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract

Just to see how many forum members' heads will explode.

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25 Mar 13 UTC
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Behold 9/11

First top 5 reasons I believe 9/11 is a conspiracy.

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15 Apr 13 UTC

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variants

is ancient medeteranean (i cant spell) a popular variant for less than 7 players? what about south america? i heard its better

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13 Apr 13 UTC
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why is stock market price the measure of economic performance

of course the elites like it because they own most of the stock market, but how effective has their propaganda campaign equating stock prices with economic performace been on the average man?

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14 Apr 13 UTC

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Who do I contact when I suspect "Foul Play"?

I suspect a multiple user in a particular game. Who do I contact to check it out?

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14 Apr 13 UTC

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passwords

Please send me password for euroopa, and wheedes wond world. i would like to join game

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13 Apr 13 UTC
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New, fun drinking game

New drinking game everyone! Every time blank says some form of the word "elite," you take a drink. I plan on being absolutely hammered before nightfall. Whose with me?

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14 Apr 13 UTC

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Distressing gunboat tendency

I'm new here but i thought I'd give my thoughts about gunboats thus far

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