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LegatusMentiri (100 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
the ultimate nation building diplomacy war game?
You have been charged to design the next big strategy game. What do you put in it?
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stauros (159 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean
2 for Ancient Mediterranean. Looking for more.

gameID=96962
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Trouble getting up in the morning?
Please +1 the post which is true for you (or add the correct option)
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Hydro Globus (100 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
WebDip rules question
Is there a difference between drawing or cancelling a game if no players have been defeated, the scoring is WTA, and four (!) players are NMR?
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krellin (80 DX)
24 Jul 12 UTC
Ban the G***
Ganja....the drugs....pot...hashish...cocaine...meth...Hell, ban cigarettes...ban it ALL....BAN THE GUNS!!!!.....and you know what happens? BLAKC MARKETS! We can't keep HUMAN BEINGS from crossing the border. We can't stop drugs. You Anti-gun fools think you can ban guns????
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Rhyme621 (356 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
Quick rules question
If a country support holds a country that is support moving a country, is this the same effect on the country that's holding as if the same country was to hold and another country was to support hold it?
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thatwasawkward (4690 D(B))
08 Aug 12 UTC
First person to post loses.
Oops.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
I'm back!
Looks like we've still got a few old timers out there. Hello again to them and a first time to the newer players.

I see the forums haven't changed much, 50% philosophical debates, 49% trolling and 1% game related stuff.
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FlemGem (1297 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
any home brewers out there?
I just started my first batch yesterday, just curious if anyone else has any experience to share.
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
The Greatest Comedians of All Time
My personal opinion would be the Marx Brothers, but who do you think are the greatest comedians?
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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
10 SC-s Germany replacement
gameID=96898,live game.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Jul 12 UTC
If at first you don't succeed...
... Send in the Physicists.

http://phys.org/news/2012-07-physicists-classics-hidden-truths.html
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
So Jesus, Mohammad, Moses, Buddha, Vishnu, and Hitchens all Have a Beer Summit... :P
Just for a change of pace, as we're wrapping up The Great Debate now (sorry again for my last submission being a bit late, Thucy) and because it'd be interesting...
One nice thing about Judaism/Christianity/Islam if you're atheistic like me...
One nice thing about atheism and its authors/books if you're theistic.
Let's see if we can all get along... ;)
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Putin33 (111 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
Most Overrated Philosophers
By overrated I mean philosophers whose reputations are excessively high in light of their originality, insight, or quality of work.
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seth24c (5659 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
EoG Gunboats can FLY!?!?!?
gameID=96865 france is the kind guy that if you knew him in real life you would beat his face in. If he would have stayed in cd we would have had the stalemate, but then he comes back and supports austria into burgundy.
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Klaas (229 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
World map Dark Summer still missing a few
gameID=96591
Join us, we are still a few players short! Would be great I we can get going.
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
07 Aug 12 UTC
wta gunboat 198
See below.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
06 Aug 12 UTC
How do you convince the Board to let you Solo?
See below
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William Flint (220 D)
07 Aug 12 UTC
2 more needed for beginners game
Bunch of new players looking to have a practice game. Game starts in 13 hours, standard game, 1 day/phase. Contact me for password if you're interested. game url is http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=96734#gamePanel
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Wikipedia is broken.
Why isn't wikipedia working today?
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gramilaj (100 D)
27 Jul 12 UTC
Chicago World Diplomacy Championship
Hey everyone, I've been away for a while, but I was wondering if anyone from the site would be attending World Dip Champ in Chicago in 2 weeks?
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC
Classical Music
In a classical listening mood today, as I work here in my home. Any suggestions? I already have the following in my playlist:

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krellin (80 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Why is ONE national News???
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/08/06/7-people-shot-following-detroit-princess-cruise/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57487094/sikh-temple-shooting-suspect-identified-as-wade-michael-page-motivation-unclear/
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
31 Jul 12 UTC
Handball
...the fuck did I just watch?
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Conservative Man (100 D)
05 Aug 12 UTC
My opinion on a certain subject keeps changing.
I'm trying to keep this as ambiguous as possible, because before when I've come on here with similar problems, all I've been getting is other people's opinions on the matter, which isn't what I want. I want help in forming my own opinion. Whether or not that's possible without telling you the problem, I don't know. We'll find out. More inside.
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urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Teaching racism
I've seen this interview of Morgan Freeman before, and I know its pretty old, but I saw it again recently, and I felt like discussing it.
urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/blackhistory.asp

I want to separate this part of the interview into two parts, because honestly I completely agree with the first part being true. Black history really is American history, or let’s take it one step further and say human history.

The real discussion I want to have is about the second part, where Freeman claims that the solution to racism is not to talk about it. Honestly I believe the whole idea of race and even ethnicity is absurd, but we can’t just ignore it. I recognize that my education of racism, makes me overly aware of it, to the point where I subconsciously and sometimes even consciously make decisions based on what I know. Sometimes it favors minorities, sometimes not, but either way I don’t want to think like that. The logical solution is as Freeman says, not to talk about it.

I want to know what other people think about this, because as an aspiring social studies teacher, I keep wondering to myself how naïve this is. I don’t believe we can ignore the history of slavery and other examples of persecution, and I really don’t believe he means that we should not talk about history.

So the question is, how much should we discuss it, and how much should we teach our children. If we ignore it completely then they will grow up ignorant of reality. Maybe someday we can get there, if society were more diverse, but currently there are large populations of the country and the world that are so completely free of minorities, that whether or not they are educated about racism, they grow up ignorant of it. Personally I feel that children should be encouraged to discuss it. I feel that the best way that I can get over my own personal discrimination is just by talking with and becoming more comfortable around more people no matter who they are. At the same time I feel that having this discussion at all is counter intuitive to my purpose.
Texastough (25 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
What interview?
Texastough (25 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
nvm
Texastough (25 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I disagree I think we should discuss it becuz if we dont then absurd rumors like black people have an extra muscle in there leg start to go around
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Aug 12 UTC
Gotta let him post, bro...

I have seen this interview a number of times and I think he's right and wrong. If you don't think racism still persists in the USA and around the world, open your eyes. In the USA in particular, I see so many signs of racism that are blatantly ignored and I believe that Morgan Freeman is wrong here. In order to fix the things like the separate (not segregated, but obviously separated culturally) Caucasian and African American communities, we have to address it. It's the white man holding the black man down, and for sure the black man is climbing again, but there's much yet to be done. Being silent will get you nowhere.

On the other hand, I believe that he is speaking of racism in spoken terms rather than societal terms. I and everyone else here has been racist - intentionally or unintentionally - many times in their life toward someone else, and often times we don't even realize it until long after. Little things can get to people. Here I believe he's simply speaking of recognizing a man as a man because all of our tears are the same and all of our blood is the same.

I believe this even goes beyond humans. People don't realize that human blood is a single atom from chlorophyll - plant material. We aren't so different from the flowers we see all around us, so how can we think we are so different from other people around us? This is where silence can in fact be the solution and I think this is what he's referring to as a whole.
Stressedlines (1559 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I think the problem is, that we tend to cherry pick our discussions in school in regards to race/religion. I used to be a history teacher, so Example.

In American Schools, ask a child"how many children died in the Holocost" Most will say 6 million Ask the same, "how many died in the Holodmor" and they will all say "huh"?

The time between both was less than 15 years. More died in the Holodomor, and in much less time, but few know what it is, and probably many here will google Holodomor

Lets ask this question again, about slavery.

Most children know America had slaves, but why do they also not know that Arabs were taking slaves in much larger numbers and much longer time period than the Americans? Or that Arab taking of European slaves (Ukraine, russia, balkans area) was also a VERY big deal, and again, not talked about ever.

barbary pirates too over 1 million slaves from Coastal europe, but nobody speaks of that. Why?

And the fact that Spain and Portugal took MANY more slaves than American did, but again, left to the side of any real discussion about the subject.

So, in some ways I agree with Freeman, that bringing it up, but only partially, we create a lot of friction, so why not shelf it all, or talk about it all?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Aug 12 UTC
It's what history books hide. It's how Native Americans - or, I agree with Canada, the First Nations people - aren't in our history books as being killed off for no reason. How did Columbus discover America when there were thousands of tribes from coast to coast? It's a topic that we could go on with for years and it's the educators that decide how much we can say. I know little about the Holodmor, you're right, and I am sure there are other genocides I don't have a clue about. That's the hypocrisy behind trying to teach the evils of racism.
Texastough (25 DX)
06 Aug 12 UTC
There are things that are considered racist though that are more of facts. Lets admit the average black man is usually more athletic than the average white man. Many Native Americans are alcoholics becuz there system isn't used to the alcohol. That doessn't make them any less people though
SuperSteve (894 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Never heard of the Holodomor before... and I consider myself fairly well educated. Thanks, Stressedlines and Wikipedia for making me a little less ignorant.
My god Stressed's victim complex is something special
Teaching about racism and racial divisions is important. If we ignore them they will not go away. It is crucial that the context of those divisions and the alienation of certain groups is addressed to promote understanding.

Stressed point of view is confused. I very much doubt he was ever a history teacher, because if he was he would know that history is not just one giant blame game. There is a reason or North American slavery rather than arabic slavary just like there is a reason we learn about the Civil War rather than the East Timorean war of Independence. The fact of the matter is these events are important to understanding the American experience, why there are divides among races, classes, and genders. This type of history belongs in the history book not because it tells the story of our community. All history is "cherry picked" a history teacher should know that. A history teacher should also know that the events to be "cherry picked" should be relevant to the American experience. I fail to see how arabic slaverry, or slavic slavery (which usually make appearances in the first place) are relevant to the American experience. Persecution of racial minorities is an essential part of American history which has readily visible effects today
*their is a reason we teach NA slavery...
And its supposed to read "This type of history belongs in the history book because it tells the story of our community"

my bad, tried to clean up most of the snarky comments but didn't do the best job
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Probably because holodomor never happened. Wikipedia is the font of ignorance.
Putin33 (111 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
It makes me sad, but not surprised, that history teachers indoctrinate their students with Nazi propaganda about how more than six million children alone died in the Soviet Ukraine (nevermind that even the main purveyors of the Holodomor myth make such a ridiculous claim, nor does the political leadership of Ukraine say that the famine which did took place was genocidal and only affected Ukraine). I guess nothing is too low for the "whitey as victim" crowd. Race Card's whole shtick is trying to figure out ways to make whitey look like a victim, and to say anything to minimize the victimhood of others.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I almost completely agree with Morgan Freeman here. The reason why barriers still exist between whites and blacks is because we have categorized the two races. We should stop identifying people by the color of their skin. I would argue that any persistent differences between the races is still the lingering effects of centuries of slavery and segregation that was not broken until relatively recently.

He's also right about relegating black history to a month. Black history is American history.
Willtor (113 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I'm concerned that the topics taught during Black History Month won't be addressed without it. I don't remember any of my textbooks discussing the important people or events raised during Black History Month (I'm open, of course, to the possibility that textbooks have changed since I was in school). I think Black History Month was created to fill a void in the curriculum -- there was a relevant-but-missing dimension of American history in schools. If that has been rectified, and if modern textbooks and curricula tend to address that dimension, I think Mr. Freeman is right. Otherwise, as much as I would support any move to make it so, I think he is wrong.

Whether the answer to racism is not to talk about race... I couldn't say. As other posters have pointed out, to migrate the discussion from "race" to "culture" would be a positive move, since "race" is no longer a proper taxonomical term as applied to people.
smcbride1983 (517 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
@putin, yes Ukraine does acknowledge the holodomor as genocidal.
smcbride1983 (517 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
@stressed, I think their are a couple of issues. The main one being the method that history is taught, which is not great. Another would be the history course you are taking. In American history you probably aren't going to learn about too many non American events. This isn't necessarily good but it is the way it is done. Partly for good reason. What you are describing with slavery would be something covered in a narrow course probably in college, e.g. Survey of the subjugation of people's throughout the world. But, it is also a deficit, sometimes we are so centric that we don't understand the culture that lead to these policies and events.
ChrisVis (1167 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Racism is so deeply ingrained in humans and other animals that trying to get rid of it is as futile an exercise as trying to teach a male lion not to kill his competitor. Racism and genocide are major contributors towards who and what all humans are today. Yes, all humans. All colours. All races.
SacredDigits (102 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
http://www.augb.co.uk/acknowledging-the-holodomor-in-ukraine.php

It seems like the parliament very narrowly passed a bill recognizing it as genocide and making denying it a crime, but the latter doesn't really seem to be an enforced law since there are some politicians in the Ukraine who still say that it was not genocidal. It seems to be a divisive issue, but the country technically legally calls it a genocide since 28 November 2006.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Aug 12 UTC
You say that racism is as deeply ingrained in humans as trying to kill its competitor…

How's this then. A male lion killing its competitor is as deeply ingrained in a lion as a male bear killing its competitor or a male bird or a male sea otter or whatever else. In other words, everything kills. Humans are the only racists. It is not so deeply ingrained that we can't fix it.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Teaching about past racism and the differences between races won't fix current racism. If anything, it only gives current racists a warm fuzzy nostalgic feeling.

The only thing that will fix racism is time. Stop talking about race and racism will go away.
SacredDigits (102 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Nothing goes away just from not being talked about.
Only white people can afford not to talk about race.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
I mean stop categorizing people by race. Black history is an important part of our history, but then again white history, Latino history, and Asian history are also important. Why don't they get history months?

Race should never be a factor in anything other than a physical description of a person. I would favor an entirely colorblind society.
SacredDigits (102 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
The argument is that the other 8 months of the school year (or 11 months of the calendar year) are pretty focused on white history already. I'd agree with that.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Aug 12 UTC
It's because nobody's ever pushed for those months to be named, Gunfighter. Recognition was a big part of the Civil Rights movement.


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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
Work Ethic
Is it hypocritical that those who gripe the most about bad work ethic post during the work day?
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Gerry (3173 D(S))
06 Aug 12 UTC
Anonymous
How I can enter a game as "Anonymous" player? And have I understood right that After the game the players will be shown?
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Svidrigailov (100 D)
04 Aug 12 UTC
Film
Another one of my passions, what are you favorites? perhaps we can get a discussion going too.
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madarn (105 D)
05 Aug 12 UTC
How do I get email announcements if something happens in my games?
Hi. Read the FAQ, but didn't find anything about it.
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