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brainbomb (290 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Why would you...
Why vote for a draw, and then begin acting out revenge games on the only people able to hold the line against Turkey. In a winner take all you get NOTHING france, NOTHING. If its a personal fued, you should have settled it and not been sittin there hoping for a draw. If you want a draw, play for a draw, if you want to lose and get nothing for the hours you spent playing, then attack the only people with a chance to stop the super power. gameID=87585
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thatwasawkward (4690 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Daily Greek Mythology
Today's topic: The greatest god of all, Zeus.
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
29 Apr 12 UTC
I warned you...
...but you mocked me. Someone else that is concerned about how aliens will view our treatment of plant life:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2594#comic
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Valentine (107 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
First Game
Please join my game called The Diplobowl. 24 hour turns. PPSC.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
EOG: Three blind mice
gameID=87554
A four-way draw.
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
My PM to Zmaj..

"Dude you need to take some sign classes.

I NEVER ONCE WANTED to work against you yet you kept going at it.

I moved against Russia then built to move against Italy..

My move to Galacia was the only hostile move I saw against you and yet it was not a hostile move.

It was a move to help you gain Budapest in case Italy retreated.

Also I didnt mind taking Bulgaria for that turn. It helped you gain Trieste back but after you gained Trieste you should have attacked Italy. He was never nice too you. I dont know why he deserved being alive in the end."
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
For what it's worth, I also kept trying to make peace with Austria.

Having said that, I had a solo if I wanted it at the end, and I would have taken it if England kept pushing me, because he didn't deserve any part of the draw. I chose to wait simply because it wasn't fair to Austria or Turkey.
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Also I guess my give Italy everything plan worked to force England to draw.

Seeing as he thought he had a solo I had to give someone else the solo. Luckily Italy is CStein so he kept his draw after all those shit CD's.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
As Austria, I started really bad. Italy took Trieste and I had to sweat for years to retake it. After Italy realized we'd wear each other out, we made a very successful alliance against Turkey. Meanwhile, Russia allowed England and Turkey to gobble it up. Italy went against France, which was getting stronger but suddenly CD'ed.

The rest of the game was basically spent waiting for England to draw. When stubborn Turkey was finally on its knees, England decided my presence in Russia was too much and drew. Italy (CSteinhardt) was a decent guy and didn't stab me. Well, that's it. Nothing to write home about.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Did you notice the orders I kept submitting around Trieste? I kept trying to make it clear that we could make peace, Trieste wasn't going to bother you, etc. I just didn't want to give it back and trust that you'd stop after taking it.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Riphen, your PM is right on every account. Yet I fail to see why your help deserved any reward.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
In fact, I'd say my move was perfect. I retook Trieste at exactly the same moment when Turkey wanted to show he wouldn't attack me, so I had three units to support the attack.
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Because Turkey and Austria can make a unusual team but you seem so sure(like everyone else) to stick with the norm.

You lucky Italy didnt turn against you.

He should have. As all his fleets would have made me focus on Armies and moving to stop the English.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
The funny thing is, I initially attacked France because he was the only big power who didn't set draw after Germany quit (England initially did, then unset it after I attacked France, which is a ridiculous move). It wasn't a very good attack of France, either, but apparently caused him to quit?
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
I honestly think it should have been a three way draw between Me Austria and France. Or Me Italy and France.

BUT the game dramatically shifted once Italy made France Rage Quit!!
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Well the same turn he quit England was gaining ground on France.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Yeah, I didn't play well enough to deserve a piece of the draw, and was a major beneficiary of France leaving. Which was the other reason going for a solo was inappropriate, even though England's refusal to set draw for so long meant it was probably justified.
Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Come on, CSteinhardt, Riphen survived only because Russia was a noob. You're too indulging.
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Even if Russia was a noob my play was good. I had a objective and wanted to complete it.

Working with you was my objective.

Italy had multiple objectives.

First he takes a SC of yours but then wants to be friends.

That took YEARS off his growth. Then he moved against me. But instead turned around and played Defense.

CStein is a great player and better than me but that Game made no complete sense by him.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
I'm happy to try and explain what I was thinking, but I should admit from the outset that I played a poor game. I think it's very easy to be schizophrenic as Italy, and I certainly managed! I suppose it's probably instructive to write an EoG when you played poorly, so...

In the opening, I have been having little success recently with Lepantos, mainly because there's a point at which, if it works well, Austria is on around 6, Italy still 4, and with an army in Syria, is wide open to even a one-center, completely telegraphed Austrian stab. Something that you can finesse in a press game perhaps, but seems tougher in gunboat.

So I figured I'd try something more neutral at the outset, and when I saw Turkey move north, I assumed it would be a pretty even R/T war, and just one competent unit in Galicia, combined with a fight over Rumania, is enough for me to play IR vs. AT profitably. Austria being in Galicia was clearly going to help here, as I'd almost certainly get Trieste, and depending upon how it played out, either build F Ven/A Rom or not. Unfortunately, Russia collapsed, and quickly. To the point that it was either going to be working with Turkey to crash through Austria or handing Trieste back. I chose the former, thinking that there's no reason for Turkey not to pick off Greece, and discovered that Turkey wasn't even interested in Bulgaria in 02. Which meant that I was stuck with a drawn, expensive war with Austria that both of us inevitably lose.

The next few turns, swapping Greece/Trieste, were essentially forced; the alternative was taking a disband and hoping Austria would settle the war at that stage. Again, something that could have been done with press; instead, I kept trying to use Trieste to explain to Austria that I wasn't a threat, while at the same time feeling unable to trade an impregnable four-unit position for a three-unit position I couldn't necessarily hold, trusting that Austria would settle for Trieste and turn around. Ultimately, it seemed I couldn't turn Austria, and Turkey, when faced with all but one Austrian unit tied up and all but 1.5 Italian, given his pick of enemies to swallow, was going to pick me. So, when Austria took Bulgaria and started thinking about fighting the Turk, I changed it to a holdable 3-unit position in Austria, At one point I was in a strong position to take apart Turkey with Austria, and *that* was the point at which Austria decided he'd rather use four units to retake Trieste.

Which basically meant I was going to be swallowed slowly by the A/T, whenever it got around to forming, and that the only thing my fleets were doing was ensuring it was Austria who got all of the gains. I was bailed out by the German NMR, which gave me something both plausible and useful to do apart from being swallowed, and fortunately that ended up getting me a draw (or, if I really were shameless, probably an even less deserved win).

I don't think my problem was failing to stick to a plan. Each plan I abandoned would have been the wrong one, and would have led to a worse game. Rather, I think my problem was a failure to read the board and find a good plan, which meant that I turned an indifferent Turkey and an Austria looking for someplace other than Italy to stick a bunch of armies into a two powers I couldn't work effectively with and a lousy, frustrating game. But the lesson isn't to pick one plan and stick to it, come what may; in fact, I think if I stuck with any of those plans I'd have stood a good chance of not keeping the tactical space needed to stab France when I did. Rather, the lesson is that five bad plans aren't any sort of substitute for one good one. :)

Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
CSteinhardt, you're so right about Lepanto. It never works in gunboat. My biggest mistake was that I didn't give up on Greece and move back to Trieste in autumn 1901. What was I thinking? If only I had done that, we'd be in a stalemate until we realized that Russia is out. Regarding Trieste, I would never let you hold it. It's just too dangerous.

Turkey's comments are the funniest because he keeps thinking that everything would have worked great if everyone had just followed his lead.
Riphen (198 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
Well of course I didnt stick with one plan. I eventually moved against Austria (mostly just thwarting every offensive move he made. haha)

But I showed you promise of Peace and yet you continually helped Austria.

The only practical reason I can see is the fact that you were scared of how quick I was able to gain fleets and you feared I may go for the solo if you were to attack the Austrian.

CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Well, then we got our signals crossed, I guess. As Italy, I don't see a Turkey that takes his Black Sea fleet and puts it in the Aegean as trying to make peace; I see such a Turkey as trying to end up in the Ionian. I understand you might have had peaceful intentions, but Turkish fleets in the Med aren't pointed at Austria, they're pointed at Italy. So, I wasn't going to work with you as long as those fleets were there unless I had no other choice. Thus my trying to turn around Austria, even at the point where it seemed clear that wasn't going to happen. To rip off the old legal saw, if I have Austria on my side, pound Turkey. If I have Turkey on my side, pound Austria. If I have neither on my side, pound the table, and hope somebody in the West does something to change the situation. :)


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orathaic (1009 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
Daily non-bible reading
Explore: http://www.livescience.com/19972-atheism-belief-god-countries-ranked.html?utm_source=Marleybonez-via-twitter

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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
29 Apr 12 UTC
A heart warming story of Amanda.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17069980
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
29 Apr 12 UTC
EoG: Pinky and the Brain-4
gameID=87500

Congratulations to NigeeBaby!
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
NFL Draft GIF Reactions
AKA the best thing I've ever seen on the interblag.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Images of death
Morality/appropriateness of showing images of death - pictures of corpses, or videos of people dying. Thoughts?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Apr 12 UTC
THIS Is Awful...Autistic Kid Bullied to Tears By School Staff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkscHt96R0&feature=player_embedded

I'm sorry, but that's just awful...thankfully one of those involved was fired, but another was just reassigned, and still gets to teach--that's just despicable, treating any kid like that as a teacher's just inexcusable, but what sort of creep bullies an autistic kid to tears like that?
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DILK (1539 D)
28 Apr 12 UTC
EoG: Best Gunboat Ever
gameID=87462
This is one for the ages. I am partially guilty, as I NMR my first turn, but wow everything after.For years everyone had a cancel up, except for Germany, Russia, and Austria. Then France misses a whole year, comes back, then NMRs for years. Russia CDs in 1906, and once Austria gets down to 1 unit he puts up a draw vote. So we are down to Turkey, Germany, and Italy. And Germany won't draw.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Space Invader Challenge - Gunboat for Beginners
If you tick the box and fancy it please add your name below...
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
24 Apr 12 UTC
EOG - ABIC-G2
gameID=76751

I'll probably put up a final say somewhere this week. Thanks again you all for an enjoyable game!
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Freddafred (100 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
How can you view a whole PM?
How can you read PM's other than the homepage where it doesn't show the entire pm.
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Vikesrussel (839 D)
26 Apr 12 UTC
This is a question more for an Admin.
I teach History for a High School. We play this game on the old board games. I know you get banned for multi accounts, but if you use the accounts for School purpose for only school purpose. Each team will have there own personal group, but will be run by me as the teacher. The computer is much faster to work then using paper.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Apr 12 UTC
TRAPPED IN BASED^3WORLD
Good game! Glad we got a full game in. Czech - you came on so quick, I was not expecting that. Good try. Austria - thanks for a good alliance, and for being cooperative at the end. Russia - Nice work hanging in there.
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Le panto (226 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
One for you, the rest for me - sitter wanted please
Hi - i need to get out of the game I'm playing. I doubt that I'll be able to re-join anytime soon so I'm looking for someone to take over to completion. I've no idea (other than the suggestion to ask for a sitter) of how to do this. The game is a 3 day turnaround - and I'm playing Germany. Can someone help?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
28 Apr 12 UTC
Black & Scholes - a recipe for financial disaster
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17866646
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
28 Apr 12 UTC
MOD HELP NEEDED PLEASE
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
28 Apr 12 UTC
Gunboat for the Big Boys EOG
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krellin (80 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Octomom....Liberalism at it's FINEST
http://gma.yahoo.com/video/celebs-26594247/octomom-interview-exclusive-we-were-set-up-regarding-disturbing-photos-29092215.html

Yes...a Vagina ALL of us could crawl up inside together and play a game inside....Enabled by Liberalism's finest policies...
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Hannibal1 (0 DX)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Star Wars
I'm planning on watching the star wars saga, but i don't now where to start from. I've watched bits and pieces of some episodes, but never a whole movie. And i do know that Darth Vader is the father of Luke or something like that
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
27 Apr 12 UTC
TRAPPED IN BASEDWORLD
lol who was who? I was starting to enjoy it.
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Invictus (240 D)
26 Apr 12 UTC
South China Sea
http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/04/25/it_may_only_smell_like_oil_and_fish_on_the_south_china_sea

Another interesting take on the dispute.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
27 Apr 12 UTC
Replacement needed for Triathlon
Someone has decided that they can no longer commit to the tournament and need to be replaced. Do we have any volunteers? Currently, we are in the middle of playing a FP and a PP game.
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santosh (335 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
JC Bryan Invitational Rematch EOG
gameID=84091 - Nice endgame. Great defence, Dudlajz.
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Freddafred (100 D)
27 Apr 12 UTC
Join
Please join jame Join it starts in 8 minutes.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
26 Apr 12 UTC
What really caused the Eurozone crisis?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16301630
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Apr 12 UTC
If I Wanted America to Fail...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CZ-4gnNz0vc

Thought provoking...
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