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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Jan 12 UTC
Appropriate signals in gunboat? Please help.
In a WTA gunboat where there is a player who is in a very dominant position that guarantees them the draw or a solo if two or three powers can't figure out the stalemate positions and there is a power who has one or two SCs left and can be easily taken out without affecting stalemate position, what is the appropriate signal to send in game?
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ForNarnia (139 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
vDiplomacy, N.A fun!
Not a lot of people on vDiplomacy like fast games, so if you are interested in a new board, and a breath of fresh air, come join the fun! Game starts at 11:30 ET some hurry up and join!

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hammac (100 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Mitt Romney lambasted in attack ad for speaking French
Is this ridiculous or what!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16549624 (if you're interested)

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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Secret canal in Russia - World Variant
Rumor has it that if you build a fleet in St. Pete or Moscow, they can travel via a secret canal, to the other SC. True? (searched variant rules, could not find)
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Urgent Moderators
I understand you're all busy, but if you have a chance, withing say the next 5, maybe 10 minutes get a chance to check your email, it's urgent. Thank you.
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Frank (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
other phpdiplomacy sites
what are the most active installations of webdiplomacy other than this site?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Do I get my points & rating back from games with Multis ???
MPM3di4t0R & & DouweJanTW & Canadiandiplomat & Instrument & TaylorSwift & Bladecrest ... ad nausem
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G1 (92 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Replacement for a Frozen Antarctica needed, decent position and a build!
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
05 Jan 12 UTC
Military Quotes
A thread to post your favorite military quotes with or without attribution.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Money doesn't buy American Elections
Excellent article at Freakonomics.

Does money buy elections in the United States?
The answer is no according to this well researched article.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Mitt Romney won big in New Hampshire, but his opponents are vowing to push on in South Carolina. Which means stepping up their pleas for cash. In an e-mail to supporters, Rick Santorum wrote:
We must show real progress tonight and redouble our efforts … That’s why my campaign launched the “Game On” Moneybomb, and why we need your help right now. As you already know, we are facing serious and well-funded opposition for the nomination.
That’s the kind of language that confirms one of the biggest truisms in politics: money buys elections.
But how true is that truism?
That’s the question Kai Ryssdal and I tackle in our latest Marketplace podcast. (Download/subscribe at iTunes, get the RSS feed, listen live via the media player above, or read the transcript.)
In a paper that tried to isolate the effect of spending in campaigns, here’s what Steve Levitt found:
LEVITT: When a candidate doubled their spending, holding everything else constant, they only got an extra one percent of the popular vote. It’s the same if you cut your spending in half, you only lose one percent of the popular vote. So we’re talking about really large swings in campaign spending with almost trivial changes in the vote.
What Levitt’s study suggests is that money doesn’t necessarily cause a candidate to win — but, rather, that the kind of candidate who’s attractive to voters also ends up attracting a lot of money. So winning an election and raising money do go together, just as rain and umbrellas go together. But umbrellas don’t cause the rain. And it doesn’t seem as if money really causes electoral victories either, at least not nearly to the extent that the conventional wisdom says. For every well-funded candidate who seems to confirm that money buys elections (paging Michael Bloomberg), you can find counterexamples like Meg Whitman, Linda McMahon, Steve Forbes, and Tom Golisano.
And take a look at the Iowa caucuses last week. Rick Perry was the top spender, buying $4.3 million worth of ads — which got him only 10 percent of the vote. Santorum, meanwhile, spent only $30,000 on ads (the least of any candidate) and practically tied Romney — who spent $1.5 million this time around on Iowa ads, versus $10 million in 2008.
In this podcast, you’ll also hear from one former big-spending presidential candidate who’s now convinced that money isn’t what matters most: Rudy Giuliani.
GIULIANI: I tell candidates, it’s always better to be the candidate with the most money, but you can win without it.

Here is the link to the podcast
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/freakonomics-radio
2ndWhiteLine (2731 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
For once, TC, I agree with you. Case in point (for NYers): Tom Golisano. The fact that the news media is making such a big deal about the recent Supreme Court case allowing corporate donations to campaigns is, as usual, a bit blown out of proportion, considering studies such as this. Also, I can't wait to hear the excuses out of the Gingrich camp for another single digit result in South Carolina after the large infusion of cash he received this week.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
I think at face value, for once TC's argument has merits. But to say spending isn't influential is I think very unrealistic. Here are a few peer reviewed articles supporting both arguments.

http://ajmadonn.myweb.uga.edu/Green1988.pdf
http://www.kenbenoit.net/pdfs/Jacobson1978.pdf
http://www.rochester.edu/college/psc/clarke/204/Levitt94.pdf
2ndWhiteLine (2731 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
Like Giuliani said, it's much better to be the candidate with money than the candidate without money. I think the influence of money on a campaign is extremely important, but to a certain extent. A candidate needs to build awareness on a national level, and you just can't do that via social media. It takes money to get your name out there, to buy ad time, to get into televised debates.

I would guess that money has a decreasing marginal benefit once a candidate gets to a certain point. Look at Golisano again. He ran for governor of NY in 94, 98, and 02, spending almost $100 million in total, receiving 4%, 8%, and 14% of the vote, respectively, in each election. In comparison, current Gov. Andrew Cuomo spent less than $20 million in his most recent campaign. Money can't make people want to vote for you when you're a complete jackass, as Gingrich and Perry are finding out.
Octavious (2802 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
In many ways buying a chance at winning an election is like buying a car. If you have a few million in the bank you can pretty much buy any car you want. If, on the other hand, you have a few billion in the bank, your ability to buy your dream car isn't really any higher. Same with elections. Once you've got a certain number of dollars supporting you, you have a chance at winning. The sad thing is that the cost of that chance is far beyond most Americans.

I am watching this election with a morbid curiosity. The Republican strategy at the moment seems to be to invest millions of GOP dollars in discrediting all of their candidates whilst Obama smugly watches and builds up his election funds. Now, being British I'm all that hot on the subtlies of American politics, but this does strike me as being a less than perfect way of doing things...

Hell, it sounds bloody stupid!
It doesn't? Well, hot damn. Time for me to put my hat in the ring. I'm running for the Republican nomination.

President Eden 2012
G1 (92 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
I think you're right Octavious, there is a limiting level where spending must be at before differences in spending make little to no difference. However I would argue that concentrated spending against another candidate is very effective, and having the extra money to do that is what causes the differences that are often observed. That would be hard to quantify though, because poor candidates can run dirty campaigns and rich candidates can run clean campaigns, it really depends on the candidate (or his staff).

And yes, it is very strange to watch these guys who should really all be heading for the same party goal biting and scratching at each other and taking themselves down just to be the top man for the party in fall 2012. So much for idealism, sadly. I'll be interested to see if they're successful in taking Romney down though, his position seems strong so far but anything can happen. Not to hijack the thread but I wouldn't mind a quick answer...
@TC, who do you support and why? If you've already answered this in another thread, could you post the link please? I'm definitely not a republican myself but I like to hear both sides of the issue. I wouldn't mind hearing the opinion of someone who's researched the topic more than me and holds a bit more of a vested interest in the subject.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Good candidates win elections. Money follows good candidates but is not a significant factor in winning elections.

The articles sentence that umbrellas go with rain but don't create rain was a brilliant example of the concept.
The point isn't to buy a 'win', it's to buy the candidate(s).
"...(T)he candidate who raises the most money wins an astonishing 94% of the time in America.

That damning statistic just confirms what everyone who spends any time on the campaign trail knows, which is that the presidential race is not at all about ideas, but entirely about raising money.

The auctioned election process is designed to reduce the field to two candidates who will each receive hundreds of millions of dollars apiece from the same pool of donors. Just take a look at the lists of top donors for Obama and McCain from the last election in 2008.

Obama’s top 20 list included:

Goldman Sachs ($1,013,091)
JPMorgan Chase & Co ($808,799)
Citigroup Inc ($736,771)
WilmerHale LLP ($550,668)
Skadden, Arps et al ($543,539)
UBS AG ($532,674), and...
Morgan Stanley ($512,232).


McCain’s list, meanwhile, included (drum roll please):

JPMorgan Chase & Co ($343,505)
Citigroup Inc ($338,202)
Morgan Stanley ($271,902)
Goldman Sachs ($240,295)
UBS AG ($187,493)
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher ($160,346)
Greenberg Traurig LLP ($147,437), and...
Lehman Brothers ($126,557)."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/iowa-the-meaningless-sideshow-begins-20120103#ixzz1jIDK2sU3
EightfoldWay (2115 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
It's true. Money doesn't buy American elections. Super PACs do. :v
2ndWhiteLine (2731 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Seppuku, your claim that "...(T)he candidate who raises the most money wins an astonishing 94% of the time in America" can be disproven by one simple fact: people like to be on the winning team. Once it appears that a candidate is going to win a state, people will be more likely to donate to that candidate, for a multitude of reasons: potentially buying influence, personal satisfaction, or just the knowledge that their opinion is better than the other guy's. Right now, more people are donating to Romney after his victories in Iowa and New Hampshire because he's pretty likely to win the primary and get the nomination. When he wins the nomination, he'll have raised the most money. It's not as telling a statistic as you'd think.
""...(T)he candidate who raises the most money wins an astonishing 94% of the time in America" can be disproven by one simple fact: people like to be on the winning team."

Um... that doesn't actually disprove, or even address, that claim at all.

People donating to 'buy influence' is exactly my argument.

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King Atom (100 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
TC, money=speech.

The more speeches you give, the better repute you have. The better repute you have, the more likely you are to win an election.

Of course money doesn't automatically guarantee anything. People have opinions. Why must you attempt to use this as an excuse to spew political garbage at us?
2ndWhiteLine (2731 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
You're missing my point completely. People don't give money to losers. When potential donors see that a candidate is going to win, they donate to him or her. You are confusing correlation with causation.
2ndWhiteLine - are you under the impression that we disagree?
Octavious (2802 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Ahh, so potential donors only give money to people who don't need money. The point essentially being that American elections are not won by money, but that American business leaders who are behind the baulk of this donating are complete idiots? Interesting view...

I don't think anyone is under the impression that a monkey in a suit could win an American election if given enough financial backing. There needs to be a high level of background skill and talent for anyone to have half a chance. But money is a huge factor. It is useful for helping to get your message across, smoothing over and covering up bad news, and making sure you are seen being asked and answering the right sort of questions. Without this considerable sum of money you don't have a hope in hell. Once you get past a certain level of spending, however, the bang for your buck is considerably reduced, and you start to face the significant drag factor of being seen as the arsehole spending millions on his own personal glory.

Money buys you your chance, and it's more money than most of us have a hope of seeing.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Meg Whitman would be governor of California if money bought elections.


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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
07 Jan 12 UTC
Liberals create income inequality
If you have a brain and take the time to read the George Will column I cut and pasted you will easily understand how the modern welfare state conceived in Europe and imported to America by the Left has exploded the income inequality liberals lunatics hopelessly try to blame on the Free Market.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
just to continue the america bashing...
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/singer82/English

'the problem may not be with US citizens’ attitudes, but rather that, at the federal level, the US political system allows industries with large campaign chests too much power to thwart the wishes of popular majorities.'
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chris-d-9 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
5 minute game starting
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77779
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Break Time!!!
After I finish my two games I'm planning on taking a break about 1 month from the site. Enjoy!
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Practice
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77770
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Homeless Diplomacy
Will it ever happen where a person can get down to 0 D ? And if that happens, how can you get points back?
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Gumers (607 D)
11 Jan 12 UTC
Paused games
Why there is so many paused games? (12 pages)
When will these games continue? Only when somebody joined the abandoned powers? What if nobody joins?
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Norbert (0 DX)
11 Jan 12 UTC
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE CONGO
THEY EAT PEOPLE ALIVE DOWN THERE. DON'T FUCK WITH ME.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
New Thread
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Mod Team
Please check your email...very urgent
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
12 Jan 12 UTC
woka
woka woka woka
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NigelFarage (567 D)
07 Jan 12 UTC
World Live Games
Anyone up for one? I want to coordinate one, but using the regular live game thread appears not to work. I might plan one for tonight at around 11 eastern. Is anyone interested?
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Agent K (0 DX)
03 Jan 12 UTC
Need Players!!!! New WTA Tournament - Agent K Open
Agent K Tourney. details in other thread
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Anyone up for a Sci-Fi World Game?
I already tried this on a Normal Map with just Star Trek...and was eliminated first (damn you, double-crossing Vulcans, how dare yu stab me, even if it WAS the logical thing to do!) but it seemed to go well: how about a World match (low bet, as it's World and it can be more accessible that way) with races from different Sci-Fi series? BORG vs. DALEKS! KLINGON EMPIRE vs. GALACTIC EMPIRE! CYBERMEN vs. CYLONS! FEDERATION vs. BABYLON 5 PEOPLE (yeah, don't knwo their name....!)
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idealist (680 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
to all in the live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77658

an emergency came up, i must take leave. will you guys hold for 2 turns and let me CD so someone else can take over?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
THE GRAND KING OF THE WAVES ! * TEAHUPOO *
See vid!
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King Atom (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Need A Sitter
Why yes, I need a sitter who can watch this account and the one on vdip.

I haven't got many games going, and I shouldn't be gone more than a week.
It's just that next week is exam week and I need the time off.
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belegiii (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
5 mins game cmon :)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77659
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MrHolmes (0 DX)
11 Jan 12 UTC
Rank
Please, how the ranking is? Most then 150 ponts to left political puppet?
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Haert (234 D)
10 Jan 12 UTC
Logic puzzle: 4 is universal
The idea is that there is a pattern or set our rules by which every number is assigned another number and if you continue to apply this pattern you will eventually reach the number 4. For example: 20 is 6, 6 is 3, 3 is 5, 5 is 4, and 4 is 4, thus 4 is universal. The object of the puzzle is to figure out the pattern. Reply with any number and I will show how it becomes 4. If you figure it out, please post an example to show you know it instead of posting the answer.
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