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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Apr 14 UTC
The Things Public School Doesn't Teach
Seriously... I took an entire year of an African history elective in eighth grade that continued through the end of apartheid in South Africa (and went into gruesome detail many times) but I never once heard about the Rwandan Genocide - really?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140407-rwanda-genocide-today-anniversary
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Toyota Promises to Lower Quality
http://gizmodo.com/suck-it-robots-toyota-is-giving-jobs-back-to-humans-1560360775

I prefer my welds precise, Toyota. You just lost my future business.
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kasimax (243 D)
07 Apr 14 UTC
how do you deal with moves that definitely won't succeed?
as above, below.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
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Daily Tarvunty Readings Thread
This thread replaces the Daily Tarvunty Reading thread.
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Octavious (2701 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
First Ten Games
Just had a nostalgic look back over my first games on this site, and was amazed at how much of a numpty I was! Thought it might be fun for some of us who have been here for far too long to compare our noob stats with some of the new blood :).
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
How many chapters makes sense for a book of ~60.000 words?
5? 10? 15?

The question is really that simple, although I understand the answer isn't as obvious.
The book is fiction.
you haven't given nearly enough information for that answer - it depends on the sequence of events and a whole host of other things that can only be discerned from reading said book.
semck83 (229 D(B))
06 Apr 14 UTC
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How many distinct sections of conveniently readable yet engrossing length are there?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
@Socrates Dissatisfied: Yeah, well, the book isn't finished yet and it's Dutch, so...

@semck83: Like I said, not finished yet, but probably... I don't know, 8 perhaps? Alternatively, more like 15. I'm asking before I finished the book because I plan on making clear in the text where new chapters start, without even needing the actual chapter titles in the book, although they will be there.

The issue now is that I don't know wether I should start a new chapter...
The main character has gone through a change of mood, a couple of revelations and a lot of mysteries by now. I suppose the question now is:

Do I start the new chapter when the change of mood becomes evident, and if so, would the change of mood be the last thing in the old chapter or the first thing in the new chapter?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Or should the change of mood be more like the middle of the chapter, with the chapter 'built around' the change of mood?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Alternatively, I might make every chapter title a one-word question, with the most likely order being:

Who?
When?
Where?
How?
Why?

I think that works. Thanks for inspiring me, although you guys didn't say much :)

If someone has a better idea, do shout :)

If it would be more like 10 chapters, I might go for:

Who?
When?
Where?
How?
Why?
Who not?
When not?
Where not?
How not?
Why not?

Please note that sounds better in Dutch. Good idea?
Thanks again :)
Wow, steephie, you're on a roll with posts like these :-)

The amoun of chapters is an author's prerogative, there is no good practice. I've seen chapters of less than a page, and I've seen books with one chapter. It all depends on what serves your dramatic goal with the writing.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Hmm, perhaps it makes more sense with 9 chapters, skipping 'How not?', because it's a bit out of touch in a sense...

Let me think...
What's the book about?

When I write, I tend to make the chapter structure first, and put a single line in each chapter outlining what my point is with that section.
semck83 (229 D(B))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Those are important artistic decisions, steephie, so I really don't think there's a rule, nor can we tell you. You have to take into account the whole flow of the book, the story, the impact that the different options would have on the reader, etc.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Indeed, semck83, I just needed a little inspiration. This was probably enough.

More is probably even better though :P
kasimax (243 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
one more piece of inspiration: if it fits the storyline, i would like if better if the "not" questions came first, because i think it sounds better when the last chapter is "why" than "why not".
kasimax (243 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
*"why" instead of "why not".
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
@TheMinisterOfWar:

While I have many idea's, they are all sort of borderline realistic, especially in combination with eachother, and I can't write down the whole point with one line, since there's still some factors I haven't decided on yet...

Instead, I make it up as I go while I keep a special notes page where I put all the clues as I write them, as well as various idea's. From there, I can use some of those clues, should I run out of things for the main character to think about, for example. The chapter titles I made up above are about to go into that list.

Moreover, I don't want to spoil it, lolz...
I'll probably translate it to English at some point so you can witness my master piece, although you might not know it was me... :)

I just think I can't explain it without 'wasting' a couple thousand words on it or simply not making it clear, so then I might as well just continue with the book and translate it later, since then I'll be able to accurately tell/show you what's in it...

Thanks again guys.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
@kasimax: I might play with that a little indeed. Most likely, the titles with and without not will be mixed up, depending on which title fits which chapter best.

I'll keep that in mind though. Thanks.
The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
06 Apr 14 UTC
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60,000.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
Not in a Dutch book.
krellin (80 DX)
06 Apr 14 UTC
Wrong question. Chapters are based upon the content of the book, not the other way around, and not the word count. I've read a book before with an effective entire chapter was as much as little as a single paragraph...because that is what was necessary for the author to convey a point/event/whatever.

If you are basing chapter count by word count, then I can assure you already your book sucks.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
I just wanted to have a clue how much would get too crazy.

I agree with what you're saying in a sense, but if you do that with every paragraph you could end up with, like, 60 chapters, which seems a little crazy...

The thing is that you have various sensible options. You don't have to make a chapter for every event, since some events are sort of chained together. You could start a new chapter on every clue, but maybe it's better to start a new chapter after a load of clues. You can also base chapters on changes of the characters in the book.

So I am definitely able to increase or decrease the amount of chapters without 'harming' the book in some cases.
WardenDresden (239 D(B))
06 Apr 14 UTC
The way I plotted out my current manuscript it should end up around 55,000 words and be just under 30 chapters. I spend each writing session getting down at least a third of a final-chapter's worth of plot progression, and I have a step outline of all of the major events. Minor things I sort of leave till when I'm working on a particular chapter.

Ideally you'll want chapters, or at least line breaks of some sort every few thousand words, simply because the time requirements of reading need some sort of breaks. As much as the ideal situation would be a reader going through the entire manuscript in one sitting, that's a very rare opportunity. I use chapters as scene breaks, POV shifts, or for other changes in the narrative. For instance, I may end a chapter with someone pulling a knife on the protagonist, and the dramatic need of how exactly the protagonist will deal with the threat drives a reader to continue past that chapter break.

It also depends on the way you're distributing chapters. If they are released serially, you have to have each chapter be sort of self-contained, but not necessarily a particular length.

A story I edit that is being released serially is currently at ~111,000 words and 16 chapters, but within those chapters there are plenty of breaks in the narrative. For that story, chapters each show a single progression in the story, describe a key event or shift in a character, or the like. But it all depends on what impression you want to accomplish in the story.


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3diSpade (132 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
3 minutes remianing
subscribe now to ''FAST & Furious Total Distruction
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ReturnoftheKing (0 DX)
06 Apr 14 UTC
Hello all!
I just wanted to say hi to everyone here, I've had some background playing Diplomacy before so I'm not a complete noob.. :P I've got 60 D left of my starting 100 so if anybody's up for a cheaper game, I'd be up for that. A little bit about myself: I'm a huge Tolkien geek, I absolutely love sports, and I'm currently in college so I'll be pretty busy for the next 4 weeks.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
31 Mar 14 UTC
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New game mode: dummy phase mode
So you get two spring and two autumn phases. The first is carried out as normal, THEN it reverses, and you get the chance to play the phase again. Do you change what you've done? Have your enemies given anything away? Or is it just a trick?
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
15 Jan 14 UTC
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The Official Thread for The School of War: Winter 2014
gameID=133753

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to post game commentary, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Please respect the requests of the professors within the thread, to avoid unduly influencing the game. Please contact a Professor or the TD (thehamster) with any questions.
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President Eden (2750 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
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Eden "Time For My Post-Promotion GR Slump" Invitational
Apparently when you get promoted this has an adverse effect on your Diplomacy skills and you start to suck (ask 2ndWhiteLine). I want to test this theory in a gunboat invitational! Sign up here and I'm going to pick the six lucky winners of GR and points (at my expense) with an RNG*.

(*: this is a lie)
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
31 Mar 14 UTC
Iran and Nuclear Armageddon
Anybody currently worried about the Iran Nuclear threat? I thought that was a real threat to peace in the Middle East.
Anyone believe the bullshit they see in the news?
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
05 Apr 14 UTC
WrestleMania XXX
Well, tomorrow's the biggest day on the pro wrestling calendar. You watching? Who ya got? Does anyone even care besides me?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Apr 14 UTC
Tibet
What do you think about the situation?
Could one compare it to the Ukrainian 'crisis' a short while ago?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
On a 1-10 scale, how bad is this?
Small-town Texas cops give two bogus citations to man for laws he didn't break after he objects to an illegal search. City Attorney vaguely threatens citee with anal rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw
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R Danger D (101 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Modern Diplomacy II: Stalemate Lines
I have a question to submit to the collective. Are there stalemate lines in Modern Diplomacy II? If so, where are they?
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Hazel-Rah (1262 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
A challenge and appeal to my former opponents...
Help me celebrate my anniversary!
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Automatic Diplomacy (0 DX)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Brief question concerning moves
If you move into a territory occupied by an enemy while they try to move into an unoccupied territory, will their move be successful, or will they be stuck? I'm asking because I vaguely remember being able to stop an enemy from moving by moving to where their unit was, but I recently tried it in a gunboat to no avail.
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Maniac (189 D(B))
04 Apr 14 UTC
Grand National Sweepstake
Pick a horse for the poster above - keep list up to date, one horse one player.
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kasimax (243 D)
25 Mar 14 UTC
french full press game
we tried setting one of these up a little while ago, yet it didn't work, so here's the second try!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Apr 14 UTC
Tightening muscles
I just noticed something weird:
I can tighten my right arm muscles quite well, but I seem to be unable to do anything other than moving with my left arm. It seems I'm unable to give the 'order' to simply tighten my left arm at all in any other way than pressing on something for example. My right arm is definitely stronger, but surely I should be able to tighten my left arm's muscles, even if they're weaker? Is that odd or normal?
Not worried, just curious.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Published press
Would you change your play style if all the messages between powers became public at the end if the game?
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shikari (231 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
How to report players for possible out of game collusion?
Hey guys, I sense some foul play in one of my anonymous no chat games. Two players are cooperating on an impossibly accurate level with one player simply doing everything in their power to help another without defending for any attacks from the other player as if they are one player or two cooperating out of game. How do I report this to mods to check?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
Gambling with Maniac
Warning: Most of my bets lose, but if you want to follow the fun read on. Disclaimer, I am not licenced under any jurisdiction to offer gambling (investment) advice, your investment may go down as well as collapse, your home is at risk if you do not keep up the payments, yada, yada, yada...
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
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Gunboat School of War - Official Thread
gameID=134235

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to discuss this game, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Discussing ongoing gunboat games is in violation of site rules, gunboat SoW games are the sole exception to that rule via the moderator team. Please read the first post inside before posting in this thread.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Apr 14 UTC
A Salute to Jane Goodall
Today she turns 80 years young, and here's to 80 more - after all, she is an immortal goddess, right?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/10/jane-goodall/quammen-text
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-jane-goodall-gombe-chimps-primatology-tanzania-world-science/
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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As above, below
Ah fuck i dont think i can keep up with the new memes
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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Why do I need memes to get +1s?
I've been lurking for months so PE can only assume that I will promptly show up in the next 30 minutes to post my master post, haul in double-digit +1s and ride off into the sunset a rich man once again.
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krellin (80 DX)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Zingerman's Deli (Obama's Lunch)
http://zingermansdeli.com/menus/corned-beef-sandwiches/

Obama visits Zingerman's Deli, touts them for paying above minimum wage. Kills his own argument by visiting a restaurant only the 1% can buy a sandwich from. Check out these prices...this is what $15/hr sandwich makers will cost you. (example: $13 for a turkey on rye...wow. Just wow...)
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Eggzavier (444 D)
01 Apr 14 UTC
New classic games
Two new classic games. WTAnonymous; 30 D each
Classic: gameID=139193
Gunboat classic: gameID=139194
Git sum
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