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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Apr 14 UTC
The Things Public School Doesn't Teach
Seriously... I took an entire year of an African history elective in eighth grade that continued through the end of apartheid in South Africa (and went into gruesome detail many times) but I never once heard about the Rwandan Genocide - really?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140407-rwanda-genocide-today-anniversary
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Toyota Promises to Lower Quality
http://gizmodo.com/suck-it-robots-toyota-is-giving-jobs-back-to-humans-1560360775

I prefer my welds precise, Toyota. You just lost my future business.
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kasimax (243 D)
07 Apr 14 UTC
how do you deal with moves that definitely won't succeed?
as above, below.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
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Daily Tarvunty Readings Thread
This thread replaces the Daily Tarvunty Reading thread.
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Octavious (2701 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
First Ten Games
Just had a nostalgic look back over my first games on this site, and was amazed at how much of a numpty I was! Thought it might be fun for some of us who have been here for far too long to compare our noob stats with some of the new blood :).
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
How many chapters makes sense for a book of ~60.000 words?
5? 10? 15?

The question is really that simple, although I understand the answer isn't as obvious.
The book is fiction.
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3diSpade (132 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
3 minutes remianing
subscribe now to ''FAST & Furious Total Distruction
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ReturnoftheKing (0 DX)
06 Apr 14 UTC
Hello all!
I just wanted to say hi to everyone here, I've had some background playing Diplomacy before so I'm not a complete noob.. :P I've got 60 D left of my starting 100 so if anybody's up for a cheaper game, I'd be up for that. A little bit about myself: I'm a huge Tolkien geek, I absolutely love sports, and I'm currently in college so I'll be pretty busy for the next 4 weeks.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
31 Mar 14 UTC
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New game mode: dummy phase mode
So you get two spring and two autumn phases. The first is carried out as normal, THEN it reverses, and you get the chance to play the phase again. Do you change what you've done? Have your enemies given anything away? Or is it just a trick?
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
15 Jan 14 UTC
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The Official Thread for The School of War: Winter 2014
gameID=133753

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to post game commentary, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Please respect the requests of the professors within the thread, to avoid unduly influencing the game. Please contact a Professor or the TD (thehamster) with any questions.
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President Eden (2750 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
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Eden "Time For My Post-Promotion GR Slump" Invitational
Apparently when you get promoted this has an adverse effect on your Diplomacy skills and you start to suck (ask 2ndWhiteLine). I want to test this theory in a gunboat invitational! Sign up here and I'm going to pick the six lucky winners of GR and points (at my expense) with an RNG*.

(*: this is a lie)
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
31 Mar 14 UTC
Iran and Nuclear Armageddon
Anybody currently worried about the Iran Nuclear threat? I thought that was a real threat to peace in the Middle East.
Anyone believe the bullshit they see in the news?
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
05 Apr 14 UTC
WrestleMania XXX
Well, tomorrow's the biggest day on the pro wrestling calendar. You watching? Who ya got? Does anyone even care besides me?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Apr 14 UTC
Tibet
What do you think about the situation?
Could one compare it to the Ukrainian 'crisis' a short while ago?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
On a 1-10 scale, how bad is this?
Small-town Texas cops give two bogus citations to man for laws he didn't break after he objects to an illegal search. City Attorney vaguely threatens citee with anal rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw
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R Danger D (101 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Modern Diplomacy II: Stalemate Lines
I have a question to submit to the collective. Are there stalemate lines in Modern Diplomacy II? If so, where are they?
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Hazel-Rah (1262 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
A challenge and appeal to my former opponents...
Help me celebrate my anniversary!
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Automatic Diplomacy (0 DX)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Brief question concerning moves
If you move into a territory occupied by an enemy while they try to move into an unoccupied territory, will their move be successful, or will they be stuck? I'm asking because I vaguely remember being able to stop an enemy from moving by moving to where their unit was, but I recently tried it in a gunboat to no avail.
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Maniac (184 D(B))
04 Apr 14 UTC
Grand National Sweepstake
Pick a horse for the poster above - keep list up to date, one horse one player.
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kasimax (243 D)
25 Mar 14 UTC
french full press game
we tried setting one of these up a little while ago, yet it didn't work, so here's the second try!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Apr 14 UTC
Tightening muscles
I just noticed something weird:
I can tighten my right arm muscles quite well, but I seem to be unable to do anything other than moving with my left arm. It seems I'm unable to give the 'order' to simply tighten my left arm at all in any other way than pressing on something for example. My right arm is definitely stronger, but surely I should be able to tighten my left arm's muscles, even if they're weaker? Is that odd or normal?
Not worried, just curious.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Published press
Would you change your play style if all the messages between powers became public at the end if the game?
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shikari (231 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
How to report players for possible out of game collusion?
Hey guys, I sense some foul play in one of my anonymous no chat games. Two players are cooperating on an impossibly accurate level with one player simply doing everything in their power to help another without defending for any attacks from the other player as if they are one player or two cooperating out of game. How do I report this to mods to check?
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Maniac (184 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
Gambling with Maniac
Warning: Most of my bets lose, but if you want to follow the fun read on. Disclaimer, I am not licenced under any jurisdiction to offer gambling (investment) advice, your investment may go down as well as collapse, your home is at risk if you do not keep up the payments, yada, yada, yada...
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
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Gunboat School of War - Official Thread
gameID=134235

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to discuss this game, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Discussing ongoing gunboat games is in violation of site rules, gunboat SoW games are the sole exception to that rule via the moderator team. Please read the first post inside before posting in this thread.
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Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
21 Mar 14 UTC
Thanks!
VirtualBob (209 D)
21 Mar 14 UTC
Of course now the one for whom the advice was intended will need to page back to the previous page.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
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Since France has not visited the site in two weeks, I am going to force draw this game by the end of the day unless there are any objections. I think the general consensus is that players want the game to end and I think you all have gotten a pretty good lesson in gunboat at this point.
ssorenn (0 DX)
22 Mar 14 UTC
Good call thank you
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
In that case, thanks to the profs and TAs for the time taken to provide advice, critique moves, etc. It's a good service you've done.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
I've drawn the game. If France hasn't been around for 19 days, he's not going to make an appearance in the next six hours. I'd probably forget to draw it anyway.

Thank to you all the participants, professors, and TAs for your good work and solid play. I would like to see an end-of-game writeup for each player and TA with thoughts, strategies, discussion points with your TAs, etc. included. We can then generate more discussion on some questionable moves and interactions during the game that may serve as valuable learning opportunities for those involved.
The one who hasn't been around for 19 days is Turkey,probably because he has been banned. France is missing for three days...
ssorenn (0 DX)
22 Mar 14 UTC
Thx to all who helped in any capacity.
VirtualBob (209 D)
22 Mar 14 UTC
Thanks to all.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
I was the TA for England. Now, I made some big mistakes in my advising for peter, and I'll admit it. Going in, I had England fifth on my preferred list (only Russia and Austria were lower) and if I had to re-rank now, I would probably have England last.

Even though I was a TA, I learned some things. I don't think focusing on taking St. Petersburg is smart. As England your greatest enemy is France, I've come to understand, and I think that was not something we addressed well.
VirtualBob (209 D)
22 Mar 14 UTC
Thanks for chiming in, Chaqa. And I really want to thank Split Diplomat for his professorial commentary. I think my TA meant well, but most of my learning came from Split's critiques of my German moves.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
22 Mar 14 UTC
I TA'd ssorenn in Russia. Going for St. Pete in 1902 as England can work, but it's tricky. Personally I find England to be the hardest nation to play in gunboat.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
I was the TA for Italy. I've discussed before about why I enjoy Italy in gunboat, but long story short, I advised Hamilton Brian to move Ven-Pie in 1901. This caused a ruckus in the professor writeups; if I recall, Split didn't like it, Lando did, and rokakoma liked it as well. The move did work as intended - Germany ended up going +3 and presented an immediate target for France and England.

My other big piece of advice was the stab of Austria. This came as a result of two factors: first, France moving a fleet to Spain SC in 1902, second, our inability (albeit halfhearted) to break into Smyrna. I personally believe the stab was well timed - Germany was pressing after taking Warsaw, so Russia was very vulnerable to a Turkish stab. I believed that Turkey would see our attack on Austria as a signal to team up on Austria and to stab Russia. Unfortunately, Turkey built a third fleet, which I thought was foolish, given Russia's vulnerability and the poor position of F Bulgaria EC.

I'd love to hear commentary from TAs for Austria and Turkey. Don't know who they were.
Sure,Turkey was foolish not to stab Russia so he can help Italy grow.Hilarious.
You can see how the stab was well timed looking at the current map where you are about to lose Venice.Destroying your own unit in Albania was also well timed I must say.
Well,seing who the TA was I'm not surprised by the Italian game. Wrong from spring '01 till the end.As usual.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
22 Mar 14 UTC
You must be referring to the retreat from Tyrolia that didn't happen. Typical Split, missing pretty obvious details. Always a pleasure.
Yes,sorry,I'm wrong.Tipicaly.Italy was about to have a great future in this game.Thanks to the stab especialy. What would you advise in the next turn after you lose Greece? Delaying the game untill they accept your draw offer? The famous strategy.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
23 Mar 14 UTC
I would think that somebody with your experience would realize when a game ended during a retreat phase, but I guess I assume too much. Must be hard to demonstrate skill when you live off luck.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
23 Mar 14 UTC
Checking in as Italy here. This game was enjoyable and I felt lucky to get advice from someone with a sharp eye for the game. I started off the game looking at all the powers, but concentrating most on France, Austria (naturally), and Turkey. 2WL made a point of reminding me to look at everyone’s moves and begin to deduce the forming relationships. 2WL covered the nuances of Italy as well as the strengths. I explained my full-press strategy as Italy: really make a go at getting Austria on-side so I can keep a front “safe.” Where I feel my natural tendency, as I have evolved as a player, is to determine/plan my 18, 2WL asserted to “take it as it comes.” It’s difficult for Italy to get 18 so there’s plenty of flexibility.

2WL insisted that I play the game of “guess the moves.” This is an exercise I intend to employ often. I want to get better at “thinking” like the other players. The spring 1901 moves seemed to be pretty standard (start the Lepanto) BUT for the move to Piedmont. The rationale made excellent sense: it assures Austria (relationship-building) that Italy won’t stab (right away) and it keeps France honest and requires them to cover Marseilles. It certainly affected the power balance.

Fall 1901 saw me make the typical move of convoying to Tunis. The move of supporting Burgundy to Marseilles was to communicate non-aggression. It was interesting to watch the play of Germany, which looked strong, and Russia/Turkey. Germany turned up with 3 builds, which should have been a threat to France. And, growing so quickly, I would think everyone’s eyes would have been on them. This was supposed to give Italy/Austria some breathing room to continue the Lepanto. Turkey became the target.

Spring 02 was where things started to get hot for Italy. I tried to get into the eastern Med, but Turkey was thinking the same thing. That stalled my planned move into Ionian. I was keeping my eye on France (moving to Spain) and England. England, being very anti-Russia, meant France had some latitude in targeting Italy and/or Germany. That move by France caused the reactionary move of Naples to Tyr as a way to block the eastward movement. Turkey seemed content to begin tangling with Austria and leave the Eastern Med open for me. Russia and Austria were in contention over Rumania. England made some moves that were questionable, drawing France’s attention. France also attacked Germany. This looked like nothing but positives for Italy. I was considering moving against France, but 2WL suggested that with Germany’s size relative to France, it could destabilize the western part of the board. There was no direction as to what I should decide, simply something to consider.

I was now in a position to pressure Turkey, should I choose to. Spring 03 had me move to Tyrolia. It was decided upon as a way to check German power...would they react to it, or ignore it. The move to Smyrna was also to cut anything that Turkey was planning. I was actually quite happy to see Austria take Bulgaria. I felt, “Alright, now we’re getting somewhere,” since Russia was insistent on hitting Budapest. Surprising to me was Germany’s attack of Russia. That to me spelled trouble for Germany and Russia, and good times for Austria and myself.

However, 2WL then told me that the attack on Turkey would be slow and plodding. This was when the idea to stab Austria first manifested. It wasn’t a definite “You need to do this,” and this is a credit to 2WL...a guide, with advice, but letting me make the decisions.

So, the stab was made, leading to an army build in Venice. I also convoyed to Albania from Tunis. I thought it was a safe move since France was otherwise engaged. The hope was also that Turkey would see Italy as a friend.

Spring 04 was when Austria retaliated against my play. I wanted to keep the momentum up against Austria with a move into Greece. The Fall was my downfall. I totally botched my moves for Serbia. And I repeated these bad orders in the spring.

There were many lessons in this School of War for me. I see Gunboat as the “pure” version of the game. It really is beautiful...like a dance, of sorts. There is so much that happens that requires a sharp eye and time. The first lesson, is learn to see what power structures develop. This affects subsequent moves. England’s moves affected Germany, Russia, and France, so there were ripples of effect for Italy. Secondly, check the orders after a turn. There is a lot of communication in there. I’m still feeling shaky on my “understanding,” of them, but I think I have a better sense. Third, timing. Respect the timing. Italy is a slow grower, so when opportunities present themselves, they have to be taken. It did have repercussions with Austria, but I feel the move was done at a reasonable time. It wasn’t done too early (which would have been foolish) nor too late. Lastly, check the damn orders before clicking “ready.” I had some good momentum going. One bad set of orders set me back. The rest of the game would have seen me playing catch-up. Another good piece of advice from 2WL is that it’s easy to create conflict, but it takes real diplomatic tact to end a fight for the good of the 2 powers. Austria and I would have been better off making up so we could have tackled Turkey. Again, if I hadn’t sent in incorrect orders, I am sure I would have been sitting in more of Austria’s centres. Because I did mess up, I had to try to remedy the situation.

In conclusion, I enjoyed the experience. I appreciate the time taken by volunteers to help us improve our game. Thanks especially to 2WL...very helpful, positive, funny.
ssorenn (0 DX)
23 Mar 14 UTC
Checking in Russia : y2kjbk was my TA and I learned a lot. I haven't quite decided how much I like gunboat. A lot of our talk was about the tells in people's moves and what the correct response should be from the countries in direct effect with me. It seemed like from the beginning, other players and their. TAs didn't see things the same way, starting with turkey not taking my support to Serbia In 02. Then the relentless efforts of England in the north, while I tried to show Germany some peaceful moves, he just began pushing as well. The first bit of relief we saw was the Italian stab on Austria, allowing me to concentrate on Germany.

It would seem to me that gunboat played with "good" gunboat players, would be welcome in my mind, a lot of games on the site are obviously anon,so you never know what you get as players. Brian Hamilton was correct in his analogy of gunboat to a dance, it is fun if you know the steps, but not fun when tripping over someone else's feet. For this reason I still prefer classic press diplomacy.

I hope to continue learning gunboat, and plan to play more in the future. Thx again to all who participated in whatever form it was. Students,TAs, professors thank you
VirtualBob (209 D)
23 Mar 14 UTC
A few comments from Germany:
1. Germany is perhaps my least favorite country to play, so I was glad to draw it in this game.
2. The approach taken in this game felt very odd to me, and as I tried to understand the overall picture better, I found myself agreeing more often than not with the professor commentary (which generally panned my moves)
3. I ended up learning quite a bit from the commentaries, but I think the TA job is harder than it looks; or maybe I am a high-maintenance student? In any case, my TA did not seem to have the time to interact with me as much as I had hoped. It would be good to set expectations for both students and TA's concerning the time commitment if this GBSOW becomes a fixture.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
29 Mar 14 UTC
Wondering if there is anymore commentary or player thoughts we can get in here. Seems there are 4 more powers that we could hear from.
ccga4 (1831 D(B))
04 Apr 14 UTC
Sorry I'm really really really late to the party here. I was the TA for Austria.

Of course the original plan for my student was assume Italy would be friendly and work a Lepanto. That totally worked out perfectly didn't it...

Spring 01 I was concerned about Italy's move to Piedmont, really was hoping for Italian support against Turkey and didn't want him getting involved in a French war. Of course glad to see he wasn't coming after us though and we were free to bounce Russia again in Galicia and take Greece in the fall.

Fall 1901: Liked Italy's support move to Marseilles, no fleets coming his way, fairly standard builds in my section.

Spring 1902: Things are going great!!!! Took Galicia, three units bordering Bulgaria and two bordering Rumania. Concerned about French fleet movement though.

Fall 1902: Sadly lost Galicia, probably a bad call on my part to recommend my student to move to Rumania, but glad to see fleets in Aegean and Eastern med and armies in Serbia and Greece.

Spring 1903: Maybe should have taken Bulgaria with an army but did not want to get support cut. Italy's move to Tyrolia was a bit concerning, but he would be stupid to stab at this point right....?

Fall 1903: *Sigh* Well there it was. Doing so good, germany pressuring Russia and Italy and I were making good progress on Turkey. Did not think that stab was well timed at all, and I let my student know we had to make sure that even if we lost Italy went down with us.

Spring 1904: Things not looking good, hopefully we can take back Trieste, and hold strong with our three home centers and Serbia. Keep going Germany!!! As long as Russia isn't attacking us!

Fall 1904: Glad to take back Trieste and see fleet builds from Turkey and Italy. Perhaps Italy will turn back seeing there is no point for us to fight?

Spring 1905: Yes!!! Italy turned back!!! Now we can really start going again and get closer to winning this game......... and its over.


Good game all though, I enjoyed TA'ing that one. Thats to Tin Can for being a great student! Hopefully everyone learned lots.
Partysane (10754 D(B))
04 Apr 14 UTC
Even though i was not involved in this GBSoW i am a little disappointed to see it end the way it did. I think i am, at least at the moment, one of the players to play the most live gunboat games (Dharmaton still beats me with 86 GR rated GB games in march alone :)),and at times the performance of some players really drives me crazy.
That is why i think the GBSoW is so important and why i would like to offer my participation in the next round. Maybe even i can teach some knucklehead something.

Do you guys think there is sense in setting up another GBSoW game already, or does it make more sense to wait a little?


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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Apr 14 UTC
A Salute to Jane Goodall
Today she turns 80 years young, and here's to 80 more - after all, she is an immortal goddess, right?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/10/jane-goodall/quammen-text
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-jane-goodall-gombe-chimps-primatology-tanzania-world-science/
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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As above, below
Ah fuck i dont think i can keep up with the new memes
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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Why do I need memes to get +1s?
I've been lurking for months so PE can only assume that I will promptly show up in the next 30 minutes to post my master post, haul in double-digit +1s and ride off into the sunset a rich man once again.
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krellin (80 DX)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Zingerman's Deli (Obama's Lunch)
http://zingermansdeli.com/menus/corned-beef-sandwiches/

Obama visits Zingerman's Deli, touts them for paying above minimum wage. Kills his own argument by visiting a restaurant only the 1% can buy a sandwich from. Check out these prices...this is what $15/hr sandwich makers will cost you. (example: $13 for a turkey on rye...wow. Just wow...)
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Eggzavier (444 D)
01 Apr 14 UTC
New classic games
Two new classic games. WTAnonymous; 30 D each
Classic: gameID=139193
Gunboat classic: gameID=139194
Git sum
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