Let me break down and simplify the last talking point a bit for you Draug, tell me if you can see where you might be going astray...



Dozens of Idiots: "OMG the shutdown is Obama's fault!"

Me: "Not really"

John McCain: "Not really."

Me: "Hey look guys, a well respected conservative is saying what I've been saying! Maybe you'll listen to him?"

Draugnar: "Rather than acknowledging or responding to that, instead I'd rather talk about the soundbyte in that clip most irrelevant to the shutdown, because I need something to blame on Obama if I can't blame the shutdown."



Is that pretty much what you're saying right now, Draugnar?

No, I'm saying McCain said the administration deserves the blame. He went on to say the Republican's triggered it. but in the end, it was still the administrations decision. So they are to blame.

To blame for.....?

Think of it this way. A clogged fuel filter kills the engine to your car. It dies out on the street. It's you call whether to look in the gas tank with a lighter or not. If you do and the car goes boom, it isn't the clogged filter's fault. It's yours.

The white house is to blame for suspending death benefits to military families.

What the administration chooses to do when the situation occurs is completely their responsibility. We all must take responsibility for our own actions, that includes President B.O.

OK.... but since I don't give two fucks about that, who is to blame for shutting down the government?

You can say it....

Meh…”classic definition of developing nation”…I’m sorry, but let’s keep it real. Nobody “nation builds” in developing nation because you don’t have to – you go in, you take the resources you want at a fraction of their value while providing some stimulus to the local economy with your local industry, a few bribes to the officials, maybe set up a courtesy school to look like a good player, and that’s it.
“Nation building” in popular parlance is sending in the troops to rebuild a nation once we have warred with it and want to install a favorable government, and along with that comes a much larger infrastructure project than required to rape a “developing nation” of it’s resources.
So the whole discussion is mute. Yes, I ignored the “developing nation” part because it was ignorant.

Thank you for that enlightening point, krellin.

Haha seriously, wrong thread.

*Both* sides are to blame. Neither will fucking compromise and would rather trade blows in the blame game. so both sides are fucking morons and to blame for it. Me, a fiscal conservative and social liberal moderate centrists says this is the case. Both the right and the left are full of fucking morons and would rather argue over the best way to get little Jimmy out of the well then follow Lassie there and just get it done.

Draugnar has been praising the shutdown and now all of a sudden wants to pretend he's a moderate. Sorry, not buying it.

Show me where I "praised the shutdown". I've hardly posted in these threads other than to correct misperceptions. I've argued against raising the debt ceiling. I've argued that the ACA is bad legislation. I've argued that yo have twisted and put "spin" on comments. But I've never argued that either side should not come to the negotiation table. Not once.

I'm praising the shutdown.

It's great watching Republicans shit the bed like this.

Looks like Hillary wins in '16

I blame Obama for that, too.

I got to work this afternoon hungry and wanted nothing more than a snickers bar. With $1.00 in my wallet I was confident, but the machine now costs $1.25.

Thanks a lot, Obama.

Alpacas are nowhere near as popular as they used to be, I blame-a-Llama

The leaves are falling off of my trees and getting ALL over my nice lawn. Thanks a lot, Obama. Yeesh.

Every time I read the OP subject, the song from South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut comes to mind. Blame Canada!

Oh, and I blame Obama for that. His name has three syllables like Canada. He should have changed it to McCain.