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steephie22 (182 D(S))
10 Oct 13 UTC
I'm confused
I really don't have time for this, but I can't get it out of my head so maybe this helps.
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
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New Variant Trials Finished
Even though it wasn't a actual tournament or anything and the games were originally 'wait for ready up' and that stopped halfway through leading to a lot of cds... i figured as they've all come to an end i would post the "results" anyway
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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"Shut Down" Bullshit by Obama
If we don't Federal Workers to man the WWII memorial...how come we have enough to pay the guards to put up barricades and stand guard to prevents WWII vets from visiting? How come Obama still seems to have staff at his *golf course*?

Seems Barrack Dickhead Obama has a very selective vision of what "shut down" means...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Mutha Russia
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-110-people-own-35-133554175.html

You mean to tell me that Russia is an oppressive, bigoted, hateful, classist regime? No fuckin way! ........... Where are you my one dear Putinite?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
I've had enough
SSE increase their energy prices by 8.2% for winter, despite reporting £1.2 billion profit in the summer. I've had enough, who's going to join me?

Under construction: www.peopleschoiceparty.org/test
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krellin (80 DX)
10 Oct 13 UTC
Humor
I thought I'd throw a little humor out there to brighten the day. Feel free to share yours as well.
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krellin (80 DX)
08 Oct 13 UTC
DEBT CEILING NEGOTIATIONS
If nobody has ever negotiated on the Debt Ceiling, as Obama and the intellectually vacant around here say, …then how did we get Sequestration after the Debt Ceiling negotiations in 2011. Sequestration was *Obama’s* plan, by the way.

How very little intellectual integrity exists within you morally perverted Democrats…
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MarquisMark (326 D(G))
23 Sep 13 UTC
Rank Questions
So how long does a player remain a Political Puppet and then move on to Member, Experienced, etc?

Is it a matter of how long you've played or how many times you've won or drawn? Or is it just based on time spent on the site? Just curious. Thanks for your help....
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trip (696 D(B))
02 Oct 13 UTC
Diplomacy for the slow and old
Any interest in a 3 to 4 day phase game? I'd definitely want WTA, but buy-in, anonymity, and map (classic or modern) are up for debate. Drop a line and your preferences if interested. Thanks.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
So, if 6 people drop out of a game, would you feel any pride about winning?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=126892#gamePanel
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Oct 13 UTC
Comet
The first remnants of a comet on the planet have apparently been discovered... http://phys.org/news/2013-10-evidence-comet-earth.html
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2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
09 Oct 13 UTC
League of Denial
Anyone else watching Frontline tonight?
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lajder (100 D)
07 Oct 13 UTC
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test
tesr
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blankflag (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
was lincoln great for our elite?
bill still seems to think the elite wanted to divide america so lincoln was a problem for them. but i am not so sure. lets say he did not declare war on the south and let the south kick out the norths military from their territory, would that have really benefited them much?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
05 Oct 13 UTC
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"Wait for orders" mode
LOOK! A game-related forum thread. And from me, of all people.

So here's the thing. I really don't like "Wait for orders" mode.
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ePICFAeYL (221 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
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College Life
So a couple months ago I asked the WebDip community for advice for college. Many of you said that joining a frat would be a good idea, and at the very least I should check it out.
Well, on October 7th I am pledging to Theta Chi; are there any soon-to-be fellow frat mates on WebDip? What other fraternities are people a part of?
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
When the hell do I have to show up to play a live game?
No offense intended towards those who play day period games, but there are times when I just want to fucking play.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Five Popular Beliefs that are holding Humanity Back
As per below

Cheers!
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anlari (8640 D)
27 Sep 13 UTC
Fog of war variant
Correct me if there is already one, but wouldn't it be cool to have a variant with 'fog of war'? You would only be able to see enemy units in territories neighbouring your own territory/armies. The uncertainty would make things very interesting.. perhaps with additional distance limitations on conversation as well
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
09 Oct 13 UTC
Very few things are more infuriating in Diplomacy
than when someone guns for you right off the bat, and it screws your game completely, and then THEY CD AT THE FIRST BIT OF ADVERSITY. Ugh. Just the worst.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
07 Oct 13 UTC
Mods refuse to cancel NMR-ruined game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=127048

Emailed a mod, the response was that its not site policy to force cancel games.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
28 Jan 13 UTC
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GUNBOAT TOURNAMENT
As has been mentioned, I am hoping to run a gunboat tournament. I intend it to be basic but also comprehensive. I will detail some "things" below. I would like to get a read on who would be interested in playing.

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And why is he replaced? Because he wont make moves like others want him to make the moves?
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
02 May 13 UTC
Split, don't play dumb. If CS refuses to make moves that are in his best interest to solo, he is compromising the integrity of the tournament by giving some players an unfair advantage over others.

Sound familiar?
I would love if I could be allowed to explain to you what was his strategy but I'm not clear yet would it be against the rules. Try to figure yourself why he prefers draws to a solo.
*figure out* - sorry.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
02 May 13 UTC
I'm pretty sure I know what he's getting at. And yes, while it would dictate how one plays moderately, I don't see why it has to cause all this commotion. You're still playing to win, whether it's an individual game or keeping the entire tournament in mind, and playing for either is fine as long as you're making the decision on your own volition. We're trying to have fun as our primary goal after all, and a lot of people in this tournament are making that unnecessarily difficult.
josunice (3702 D(S))
02 May 13 UTC
As JMO noted that there was no rule to replace a player UNLESS he CDs, then as long as CStein plans on putting in moves then we should continue the tournament with all the current players... Please unpause and let us get on with this bad boy....
That's what I was talking about y2kjbk,as long as anybody work on a strategy which is in his own interest,not in others interests,it's not compromising. He had a goal to make and it was his goal,nothing else.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
02 May 13 UTC
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I think there's some misinformation going around here, and as much as I'm reluctant to reach such a conclusion, I'm afraid I get the impression that much of it is intentional. So, I think I probably need to go ahead and make a post, as much as I've hoped that I wouldn't have to and we'd continue these games.

First off, since Lando felt the need to cherry-pick part of a message I sent him, let me go ahead and post the whole thing:

"Having discussed the situation with the mods, [part of sentence redacted due to forum rules]. Given that, I've decided that I'm not willing to continue in the tournament.

I feel I have an obligation to finish every game that I start, so I intend to play out the remainder of my seven games, for fun, and without attempting to optimize for points in endgame play, and then withdraw if I qualify for the next round anyway."

Surprisingly, the full message might give you a different impression than just the piece of it that Lando saw fit to release.


Ultimately, the best I can do is to speak hypothetically here. Let us suppose that a player were to cheat in some way during a tournament game. Because it is a tournament game, now two types of decisions need to be made. The mods make a decision on how to convince the player not to cheat again (some combination of warnings, point deductions, and eventually a ban for enough repeat behavior) and the TD makes a decision for how to deal with the tournament. However, in either case, the players in the game(s) are not notified, so it is essential that we trust the mods and the TDs. After all, cheating does exist on this site, not just as a theoretical possibility but as something that happens on a regular basis in gunboat games and gets dealt with. In Lando's view (I think we'll find out from Kestas shortly whether he agrees), the TD has ultimate authority over tournament games, and therefore any cheating would be dealt with by the TD without anybody else being told what occurred or what actions were taken. Thus, trusting the TD to handle these things fairly is essential, or else one can't play in a tournament.

Some claims were made about what happened in Round 1, both in the forums and elsewhere. In many cases, conflicting claims. So, I asked Lando for more information about what happened and what decision he made as TD, expecting to encourage him to give more information to the players in the tournament in the event that he actually had taken some action. The response I got, to my shock, was an official warning, apparently based on forum posts I made quite a long time ago regarding power selection. He then told me that I was the only player being warned for forum posts regarding power selection.

Since that's not a cheating allegation, I can talk about it in the forums. After all, it's an example of the TD's judgment in such matter. So, let me encourage those of you with the most lawyerly instincts to read through the forum posts and find a sensible way to draw a line such that I crossed it but nobody else did. Mine must not be good enough, because I didn't see it. Thus, I replied with the following [I feel it's fair to post PMs I sent, but only to paraphrase PMs others sent in reply, unless I have their permission]:

"Hi Lando,

I have now reviewed all of my posts about country draws in the gunboat thread, as well as the posts made by other players in the tournament on their country draws.

I am confused by your conclusion that I made a post meriting a warning and that the full set of players with such a warning is [redacted; player(s) who were given warnings for other things], and myself. I've been trying to find a point of view from which I've crossed a line that others have not, but I haven't been successful. As presumably the point of a warning is that you want me to avoid doing something again, I think I'd better clarify what line was crossed. Would you mind doing so?

Thank you,

-CSteinhardt"

I...didn't get any sort of reasonable response, and frankly, I still don't know where the TD of this tournament has drawn a line. I also don't know why it was only discovered within the past 48 hours that I crossed it. I wouldn't want to presume any sort of malice on the part of our TD, so I'm going to assume that he has been assiduously studying forum posts and other relevant facts for the past months, and it simply took that long for him to be certain he was being fair by giving me a warning and no other player. Still, a bit more of an explanation might be helpful in confirming that I've made the right assumption here. After all, it is important for such a process not merely to be fair, but also to have the outward appearance of being fair.

You know, I'm starting to get the sneaking suspicion that Lando might not like me very much. That's his right, but it's not his right to make decisions on that basis as a TD. And since the TD is, in his own view, the main protection against cheating, that should be a concern for every player in the tournament, not just for me. I would ask those of you attacking me in the forums (and that's of course your right) to answer for yourself whether you feel the TD has been making unbiased decisions and showing good judgment.

For me, the conclusion is that there are plenty of strong gunboat games available on this site where the arbiters are well-respected mods with a strong track record, and I prefer to put my energy into those. At the same time, I consider signing up for a game to be a commitment to finish it. I would withdraw voluntarily only if I hear overwhelmingly from the players in my games that they wouldn't have fun playing me given that I'm not playing to maximize my chances of advancement, and I haven't heard that. Frankly, although I'm not going to request it, I think the case for forcibly replacing the TD here is stronger than the case for forcibly replacing me as a player.
If he's getting around gunboat rules by forum posts regarding power selection , I would have expected more than an official warning.
jimgov (219 D(B))
02 May 13 UTC
@Split - I am not willing to go back through all of the 1200+ replies, but it is safe to say that many people in the first round started started talking about what they pulled. I played (poorly) in that round, so I feel that I can talk about it. If my memory serves, it was more of a "I pulled 3 of the same country" type of thing. The real problem is that there were almost no rules spelled out for the tourney before it started. People started saying those things, then the warnings came that we shouldn't be talking about the draw. Someone wrote an EOG, then we got a warning that we couldn't write EOGs. Then CS wanted to wait to start his second round until the other side started, or had at least finished their first round, and he got shit for it. All that was needed to stop all of this crap is some simple rules, spelled out in advance. Hell, IF he is replaced, and I do not believe that he should be, there isn't even anything in place that says how this is done. I don't have access to all of the information on the "cheating" thing, but from what I have heard I think that CS has been pretty up front from the beginning and that this has turned into a witch hunt.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
03 May 13 UTC
@Split: I agree with you. The most fair-minded suggestion I've got is that you read through the thread yourself and see what conclusion you would draw as TD.
The same as you wanted for me.Because the cases are pretty much the same. But that's only my opinoin as you asked me about it.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
03 May 13 UTC
@Split: Can I ask which post of mine you object to, and the line that you feel my post crossed but others did not? Or, are you also calling on others to leave the tournament as well?

If it helps, page 10 of this thread seems to be the most relevant one to this part of the discussion. As best I can tell, the first player to post private information about their power draw was actually the person our TD feels should replace me.

Anyway, Split, I really do believe in being fair-minded, so if your offer is genuine, and you truly believe that I've played this tournament unethically, then I'll accept that and accept being forcibly replaced in my games immediately if you will do the same. Obviously I disagree and feel that I've played ethically (I've certainly tried hard to play ethically), but if you feel I haven't done so, I'll respect your opinion, as much as I don't understand the logic of it.

Is that a deal? If so, let's end this whole thing right now and save the mods a bunch of work, and let everybody get back to playing gunboat games.
Mapu (362 D)
03 May 13 UTC
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WTF this is getting insane.
Maybe you didn't read the previous page but I believe I was the first one who was against the td decision to replace you. Ask the others why they want you out,I don't want you out.
ava2790 (232 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
Tl;dr version of this page: too much argument and no solutions.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
03 May 13 UTC
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I don´t think anybody is "right" is this discussion as the best way to deal with that isn´t this forum discussion.
But, I don´t really think anybody should be replaced against his will. Unless someone CDs or cheats or ask to be replaced (does´t seem the case here) I can´t see a valid reason to kick someone ouf of a game. I don´t really believe Cstein would play badly or throw a game and this isn´t what he said.

Let´s move on, and if someone who qualified wants to quit before the final round, then let´s replace them. Of course, this is just my opinion and the TD (and the mods) have the final word.

And I have to agree with someone that said (maybe in another thread) that the problem here is we have too many "Drama Divas".
josunice (3702 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
No rules in place to forcibly remove a player in this case, so please unpause so we can get the games on and over...
Josunice - Currently, we're waiting for kestas to make a decision on the matter. I promise you, as soon as he makes a ruling, the games will be back up asap.
ava2790 (232 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
Thanks gold finger for the update.
Mapu (362 D)
03 May 13 UTC
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I would also like to suggest this:

If someone from round two completes the round, scores enough points to get to the finals, then decides they don't want to compete in the finals, they shall be replaced by the next person in the standings from round 2 (#8 overall), rather than someone who did not play in the first two rounds or got eliminated in round 1. It only seems fair.
josunice (3702 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
For a gunboat tourney, 1,250 posts is pretty impressive...
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
03 May 13 UTC
Gunboat means you can't rant in game, so I would expect everyone to rant way more outside the game about it than for a full-press tournament, no?
josunice (3702 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
Good point, y2K, guess this proves the point...
ava2790 (232 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
We are now a full day into this mess.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
03 May 13 UTC
I would like 2nd Mapu and back the nice guy who loses out in Round 2 but loves gunboat and needs a break in life #VegasBaby.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
03 May 13 UTC
Thirded. All people in the finals should definitely have played the entirety of both previous rounds to prove their worth.
ava2790 (232 D(S))
03 May 13 UTC
Lando and gold finger - any updates?
Sorry, I have had a very busy couple of days and will have a somewhat busy weekend.

Apparently there is mod-things to deal with that are out of my control and also clearance level.
CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
03 May 13 UTC
There's really no reason to drag this out. Lando can't forcibly remove me from these games, and we're simply wasting Kestas' time and that of all seven of us.

If it will help, let me go ahead and offer the following fig leaf: Lando, if it will help matters, I will agree to revisit this discussion at the conclusion of the round, should I be convinced in the interim that the TD is going to run the tournament fairly. Naturally, I'd expect to find out, for example, what line I crossed in my posts (page 10 of this thread) but others did not resulting in a warning to me but no others for posting about power selection and why that warning was only delivered in the last couple of days rather than immediately. As I still have not heard you answer that question, I have to consider the possibility that you might have a compelling reason that would convince me you've acted fairly.

This preserves the possibility that I might continue, so surely now, Lando, you can let us move on with the games instead of holding them up (especially because, as I've pointed out earlier, holding games up might change the eventual outcome)? I suspect it's a mere fig leaf, because I think it quite unlikely you'll be able to provide a compelling explanation. But, perhaps it's enough to let you stop insisting that the games be paused?

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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
08 Oct 13 UTC
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http://xkcd.com/1274/
B-)
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
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pls do not +1 this thrad
i am testn the forum comet section and ned 2 see wat post look like. pls don't +1! ty!!!
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Bob Genghiskhan (1228 D)
08 Oct 13 UTC
Anyone for a live game of gunboat?
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Aqx (0 DX)
06 Oct 13 UTC
Gunboat Strategy?
Hi everyone. Could someone point me in the direction of some general gunboat strategy, especially classic? Things like opening moves for different countries, how to "coordinate" with players given the restrictions, etc. Pretty please thank you!!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
07 Oct 13 UTC
Netanyahu ........ out of touch, sad !!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10359803/Benjamin-Netanyahu-ridiculed-over-suggestion-Iranians-are-banned-from-wearing-jeans.html
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MKECharlie (2074 D(G))
05 Oct 13 UTC
Who wants to pop my (gunboat) cherry?
There's a first time for everything…
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Test Don't Comment Or +1
Test TEST test
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
16 Sep 13 UTC
IPCC finally admits that it was lying to us all
You've gotta love this:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/we-got-it-wrong-on-warming-says-ipcc/story-e6frg8y6-1226719672318
My stance on global warming for the last year has remained the same: The IPCC were exaggerating their claims, and that while global warming is happening, its not happening as quickly as climate scientists think.
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