So was that your first Google search Spyman. Is this how you're going to answer me. With a regurgitation of the NIST report? The point is there is no point debating how it was done. The fact remains is that it happened. The facts were laid out for everyone to see. In plain sight. (ptp) Talk about a deer in the spotlights! The resulting aftermath & the images of those days are the facts, and the facts are they all were 'pulverised' and laid in a heap 'on their own footprints'. Regardless of how hot it needed to be or whether a 767 is bigger than a 707. Your simply slighting me into arguing about an irrelevant point inso much as it's an argument that is " perfectly reasonable" The 'stated facts' are what I'm questioning whilst so many do unquestionably. Simply because it was in 'TIME, or 'Popular Mechanics". My point is that it's not enough. Your current proof is that it's a 'never before event' yet the results that your doctrine claim brought about all 3 towers demise have been repeated in other events such as the Hotel Mandarin Oriental, as previously stated. You'll need to do better.
What do 1500 Architects & Engineers, experts in their fields have to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
These guy's also speculate on the use of Thermite. Something I have tried to avoid as it conjures up so much conjecture. Yet too the heat at the base of the collapse remained for over a week! mmmm.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread642371/pg1
Used well its very quick & effective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg&list=FL2AxnnctuKbgRFCTPOrQj4Q&index=3
And the fruits of the victory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM&list=FL2AxnnctuKbgRFCTPOrQj4Q

Oooh, a 9/11 truther, the last of the Mohicans. 1500 architects & engineers, that's like one per mil of those professions, right?

"So was that your first Google search Spyman. Is this how you're going to answer me. With a regurgitation of the NIST report?"

Just like I predicted... Back to the old "that's what they want you to believe argument".

What is wrong with the link I provided? It makes the the same point that I made at the start of the thread: the Twin Towers is unprecented. The same point that most rational people wouldmarrive at given the facts of the case. It simply goes into more detail.

What is it about the content in that link you find implausible. Be specific.

Your the one with the crazy theory... You have to provide actual evidence. Not just circular nonsense.

Your taking a long time to get to a point here Koil. We're on page three of the thread and were yet to here any really evidence of that explosives brought down the twin towers.

Thanks for coming out dipplayer2004 I can totally ignore you now.

@ulytau more likely less. Yet they have put their names, and credibility forward to risk conjecture & contempt at a chance to reveal the 'whole' truth. What does your life offer in this discussion?

Koil I don't think we are getting anywhere. Lets finish the discussion. I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think KoiL is blankflag's long-lost brother that is just as dumb but nonetheless shows understanding of complete sentences and proper grammar.

KoiL, you can't be a conspiracy theorist without speculating on the cause or purpose of the alleged conspiracy. What would the 9/11 conspirators *gain* by executing a highly complex and risky conspiracy as you theorize?

Playing the martyr card, nice. Yes, the immense risk of no one giving a fuck these brave heroes undergo in order to expose the terrible truth. Seems to me that the lesser the risk, the more hyped up people like AE911 want it to be. Is it a specialty of older white Western men and women that they seriously claim to face contempt (you framed it nicely, most of them would say oppression) for their opinions? How many of them are subject to constant harass from fellow citizens? How many birthers or truthers lost their job because of what they say? How many ended up in jail? How many were sentenced to death? Because that's how actual risk looks like in the rest of the world and it is disgusting that someone tries to equate the two.

i suspect koil is a propaganda account

mmm go back and show were I state 'explosives were the cause of the collapse?" I've mentioned fire fighters report hearing explosives through the morning on opening. I've avoided Thermite, and before now. Never mentioned the Dust theory. And at this point I have never argued that claim. This goes back to my point about the 'thought police' your a victim. Apart from "giving me one there" regarding the 767 vs 707 point. You haven't given any rebuttal, or challenged my points on other 'burning skyscrapers" that FAILED to collapse. "Not just circular nonsense' my thoughts exactly. I raised points I thought you would at lest accept as valid. Yet examples verified by publications in alternative media don't rate with you at all, so why isn't it OK to denounce your spin doctor's. As you deplore me for not excepting the the facts. I'll need to connect some media dots for you. till then remember "absolute power corrupts absolutely" I read that page weeks ago & again today. I don't recall it providing any new "plausible explanation". Truthers can counter claim because excepting the alternative is like watching the Good the Bad and the Ugly & being told told they watched For a Few Dollars More.

blankflag I'm liking your humour. Black is the colour of this discussion too. Very ugly. In fact I wish it wasn't with us. But that's not reality. Are you on the bench now?

KoiL what you are saying makes no sense to me. But maybe you are right. I have brainwashed by the masterminds of the conspiracy. I don't think I have anymore to add, so I'll concede defeat.

KoiL passes tissues to ulytau.

Your right we have reached an impasse A hollow victory. Life isn't black and white. You want me to except the fat kid can guard the pie. I say he sold it for profit.
Surely you have seen this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

If it ends now we won't get to cover...
...explosive events
demolition squibs
frame shattering
concrete pulverization
dust volume
steel shredding
symmetry
mushrooming
speed of fall
demolition proofs
speed of fall
volume of dust
breakup of top
collapse theories
column failure theory
truss theory
demolition theories
basement bombs
nuclear devices
directed energy
radiant projectiles
distributed explosives
thermobarics
thermite
simulations
Building 7 collapse
rate of fall
controlled demolition
WTC 6, 5 holes
Pentagon
assault location
Pentagon videos
witnesses
forensics
impact damage
damage pattern
aircraft debris
shockwave
jetliner approach
Eastman
attack from the air
NORAD stand-down
flight mysteries
phone calls
theories
suicide pilots
home run system
flight program
bumble planes
Flight 93 shoot-down
Won-Young Kim

Thanks for the time spyman. If I ever get the Zapruder Film of 9/11 your not invited :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6z_wKUU5w

Was JFK a conspiracy theorist too?

i suggest people mute koil, he is spreading disinformation. this is the main online strategy of the elite. they havent yet closed down free speech online so they have to counter the truth with a load of nonsense.

i think people who believe the (current) propaganda on 9/11 at this point really dont care or havent really investigated it, or just hear people like koil and other strawman arguments. i say current, of course, because so much of it gets disproven, and then they just change the narrative and people somehow dont notice... but my point is that we should move off 9/11. we have to give up on the people who still believe the nonsense 10 years later. we can just hope to convince them of things that they are ready to think critically about.

but yeah, koil is a snake in the grass (no pun intended).

blankflag, you sound like the crazy hobo that lives under the bridge in my town.

Just go put your foil hat back on and wait for the kind robots.

Blankflag and KoiL are arguing? This'll be fun.

@bo_sox - This will be like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

KoiL, please respond to my post. What would the alleged conspirators have to gain from this?

@Gun ... He hasn't responded to my arguments against his conspiracy either; he's simply continued to spew out more shit. It's the "yell louder than the other person and you win" strategy.

@jim ... this is a funny train wreck.

So let me get this straight. This KoiL character comes on the site on Monday, hasn't played a game yet, and stirs up a pot of shit? And the reason for that is? I don't have any problem with *most* of the crap on this forum. At least it is people who are Dippers talking shit. This guy is just here to spew. I believe this is the definition of troll.

@jimgov: This is what I imagined when read your post.
http://imgur.com/gallery/D5Yo1
But read the first few posts of the thread, spyman explains.

"My friend Koil and I have been having a debate about 911. We were going to just do it via email, but then we thought a forum would be good because then other people could join in. We would have used Whirlpool.net but they don't allow discussion of this topic anymore.I hope you guys don't mind if we use this forum. I believe we have a few truthers on this site. Koil would appreciate the support.

Koil as you know, I disagree with you but as I am at work I will respond to your points later on. Cheers." -spyman

^I think that answers your question jimgov

Jim, I very nearly said the same thing when I first opened this thread but then I actually read it ;)

@Nike, jmo and bo_sox - Oh I read the opening. I know exactly what they said was the purpose of taking it to this forum. I just think it is a crappy way to use the forum. And, to be honest, this whole thread has just pissed me off. I've tried to just stay out of it. But I'm ex-military and was just at the 9/11 memorial in NYC last Wednesday. I got the chance to talk with a NYC police officer that was 2 blocks away when the towers fell. He was covered with ash and had to walk 14 miles home because there was no transportation in or out of the city. He got separated from his dad, who was also a police officer, and didn't know if he was alive or dead.

I wish people would just take their crackpot theories and shove them up their ass.

So much for staying out of it.

"Oh I read the opening. I know exactly what they said was the purpose of taking it to this forum. I just think it is a crappy way to use the forum. "

I am sorry. I didn't mean to upset people. I was hoping that the debate would be be a bit more civil. KoiL is actually a nice guy in real life, and he doesn't mean to offend anyone. He really believes that what he is saying is not only true, but obviously true. And that anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed. If you talk about it with him in real life he's pleasant about it, and does not get upset if you disagree.

Point taken... it was a terrible way to use the forum. Very sorry everyone.

"i suggest people mute koil, he is spreading disinformation. this is the main online strategy of the elite."

^This post really gave me a laugh. As I said I know KoiL I can assure you he is not part of the elite. Far from it. I think this much is obvious.