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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Apr 14 UTC
The Things Public School Doesn't Teach
Seriously... I took an entire year of an African history elective in eighth grade that continued through the end of apartheid in South Africa (and went into gruesome detail many times) but I never once heard about the Rwandan Genocide - really?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140407-rwanda-genocide-today-anniversary
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Toyota Promises to Lower Quality
http://gizmodo.com/suck-it-robots-toyota-is-giving-jobs-back-to-humans-1560360775

I prefer my welds precise, Toyota. You just lost my future business.
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kasimax (243 D)
07 Apr 14 UTC
how do you deal with moves that definitely won't succeed?
as above, below.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
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Daily Tarvunty Readings Thread
This thread replaces the Daily Tarvunty Reading thread.
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Octavious (2701 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
First Ten Games
Just had a nostalgic look back over my first games on this site, and was amazed at how much of a numpty I was! Thought it might be fun for some of us who have been here for far too long to compare our noob stats with some of the new blood :).
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Apr 14 UTC
How many chapters makes sense for a book of ~60.000 words?
5? 10? 15?

The question is really that simple, although I understand the answer isn't as obvious.
The book is fiction.
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3diSpade (132 D)
06 Apr 14 UTC
3 minutes remianing
subscribe now to ''FAST & Furious Total Distruction
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ReturnoftheKing (0 DX)
06 Apr 14 UTC
Hello all!
I just wanted to say hi to everyone here, I've had some background playing Diplomacy before so I'm not a complete noob.. :P I've got 60 D left of my starting 100 so if anybody's up for a cheaper game, I'd be up for that. A little bit about myself: I'm a huge Tolkien geek, I absolutely love sports, and I'm currently in college so I'll be pretty busy for the next 4 weeks.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
31 Mar 14 UTC
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New game mode: dummy phase mode
So you get two spring and two autumn phases. The first is carried out as normal, THEN it reverses, and you get the chance to play the phase again. Do you change what you've done? Have your enemies given anything away? Or is it just a trick?
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
15 Jan 14 UTC
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The Official Thread for The School of War: Winter 2014
gameID=133753

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to post game commentary, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Please respect the requests of the professors within the thread, to avoid unduly influencing the game. Please contact a Professor or the TD (thehamster) with any questions.
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dyager_nh (619 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
I am kind of curious to see what the professors thought of the Russian supported move to Budapest. I have a theory for why it happened but I am not sure I am right.
ckroberts (3548 D)
17 Mar 14 UTC
Spring 1906 grades are going to be a little tough, because of the pause and the dynamics of the game.

ENGLAND: B-
GERMANY: D-

So, England is in pretty good shape here. Getting a build and likely two, that’s good, especially with a probable Russian fleet coming in St P during the next build. What was the army in Denmark doing? Not that it could have done anything useful, but that’s odd, as is Italy’s move to Spain. All of sudden I am a little worried that an English break-through in Germany could threaten Russia’s position, which is good for England. Russian fleet builds will take too long to remedy the naval imbalance, and getting out of Sweden would be a monstrous headache anyway.

As for Germany, things are not looking good. Russia is simply not getting into position, either due to lack of interest or a sense of more compelling problems elsewhere, to save Germany. I’d almost describe it as going through the motions – Russia doing the minimum necessary to keep Germany from dying too fast. There are some tactical tricks that might delay things, but it looks tough.

AUSTRIA: :(
TURKEY: D-
RUSSIA: ?

Turkey is Germany south, I fear – it’s just a matter of time, now, unless just about everyone on the board decides it’s time to save Turkey. Going down one center is probably the best case scenario for the year. The weird situation around Trieste, which I will discuss in a second, means everyone has some tactics to work out, but it’s not good in any case for the Turk.

Italy is in surprisingly good shape. Sometimes success in this game is about holding on until someone else runs into problems, and Turkey has definitely run into some serious problems.

So, here is my theory about dyager’s question, about the move to Budapest. It very much confused me when I first saw it. My best guess is that one or both of two things happened: Russia and TA sat down and did some counting and decided that a solo was not realistic, and/or Italy made demands on Russia in exchange for continued hostility to Turkey. But maybe Italy didn’t trust Russia, thought that Vienna would bounce in Trieste while Trieste slipped into Venice. Or it could be anything else. For whatever reason, Russia backed off.

(I don’t think it’s a tactical decision: Vienna to Budapest is a stronger combination, and Italy likely would be covering his home center no matter what. It does allow Vienna to move north to help Germany, but I don’t know if that’s worth risking the potential loss of Trieste, unless Italy and Russia are already thinking about a central European stalemate line against England. (Speaking of Russian tactics, why the support from St P to Finland? Support holding Sweden might have actually been necessary.))

The question this raises in my mind: Is Russia giving up on the solo shot? A lot of things on the board suggest it: The hunkering down in Scandinavia, backing off Trieste, the move to focus on finishing off Turkey. Right now Russia is at 10; let’s imagine a likely outcome and say that Russia gets 5 Turkish centers (Turkey home, Bulgaria, and Serbia). That’s 15. Those next three would have to come from Germany, Italy, and/or Greece. Unless England just falls apart, Russian fleets aren’t getting out up north, and now England has the army advantage in the middle of the continent; Italy will likely have the naval strength to hold on to Greece and bottle Russia up behind Venice.
bump
mendax (321 D)
18 Mar 14 UTC
@ck - do you have a grade for Italy?
ckroberts (3548 D)
18 Mar 14 UTC
Woops! C+. Although this interesting turn sparked I suppose by Italy's missed turn means a considerable change.
kasimax (243 D)
18 Mar 14 UTC
by the way, thanks for the heartwarming grade you gave me there, ck ;)

well, goodbye to all, it was certainly a fun experience, and i learned some important lessons on the way (yet i somehow still feel like a total noob). i'll start writing my eog so i'll have it ready as soon as the game finishes.
ckroberts (3548 D)
19 Mar 14 UTC
Kasi, you'd stayed in it for so long, it is tough to see you go.

I want to wait until after builds before my next lecture, as lots of things in this turn went unexpectedly.
Hey, how about jmo, 2WL, or peterwiggin weigh in? I feel like we're making poor ck do all the heavy lifting.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
19 Mar 14 UTC
ck's doing a great job, I hate to steal his thunder.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
19 Mar 14 UTC
I'll write something up tomorrow. Sorry about that CK.
Thanks guys. And in return I'll take some of your cases off of you
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
19 Mar 14 UTC
Deal! lol
Bump for commentary
ckroberts (3548 D)
22 Mar 14 UTC
I appreciate the kind words, which I naturally responded to by missing the fall turn. But travels etc are over. After these moves go through, I will say something for the previous two turns this afternoon.
ckroberts (3548 D)
22 Mar 14 UTC
Autumn 1906/Spring 1907:

The defining aspect of this game right now: Russia is at 12 centers, and practically speaking, 14 centers (assuming Ankara and Smyrna this turn or soon), with another likely gain out of Serbia and Greece. England is right behind, at 10 centers and potentially an easy 13 in the next couple of years (Spain and two of the German centers, although England seems to have given up making any moves against Germany). Both of these countries are solo threats, although it’s distant for either one. Now it is a question of what kind of players we have; is it worth risking someone else getting a solo for you to take a shot? How good do you feel like the odds have to be? Some players will want to draw unless their own solo is practically assured; others don’t care what happens if they don’t win.

The fall 1906 moves featured a missed turn by Italy, something which happens sometimes in this game. If that influenced England’s decision not to finish off Germany, taking Marseilles instead of the near-certain Munich and Kiel, then that’s a pretty big deal. My guess would be, however, that England and Germany had already decided that the risk of a Russian solo was too great.

ENGLAND: D+
I was a bit confused by the English moves. England were trying for Kiel, which indicates hostility to Germany, but also grabbing an Italian center and not making moves to ensure taking Kiel – cutting Munich and Ruhr. Maybe Spain was supposed to bounce in Marseilles? That doesn’t make much sense, either. Sending the army to help stop Russia around Venice? It would already be too late. Perhaps the thinking was, if you got Kiel, cool, and if not, at least you get Marseilles.

The move from North Sea to Belgium in fall of 1906 is an understandable one, but I think a mistake; moving to Norwegian Sea or bouncing Norway makes more sense. It’s very unlikely that Ruhr would try for Belgium: Ruhr moving to Holland, to cut the support, or holding Kiel are much more likely, so it’s not really necessary to cover Belgium. There are some wasted units, in other words. Either you’re attacking Germany, so you need those units to be attacking, or you’re not, and that fleet should be dealing with other things. Russia’s behavior indicates that you could have gotten to the German part of the stalemate line before Russia could stop you, but, if you’re not going for a solo yourself or reducing the draw, then it doesn’t really matter.

I guess the real issue I have with England’s moves is that I can’t quite figure out what the goals are. England seems to be trying to do a lot of stuff, rather than focusing strongly on one thing.

(To be clear, England is doing well in this game – a solo shot is still possible, if very unlikely, and survival is guaranteed. The likeliest outcome is a medium-sized draw, which is a perfectly fine ending. But England could be in stronger shape, and if the stakes were higher in the middle of the continent, then these moves could have resulted in some problems).

GERMANY: C
Germany had to hold, so, good. Disbanding Ruhr is probably the smarter decision, since Baltic Sea is harder to cut (but also less flexible, being unable to help cover Munich). A combination of competent tactical play, diplomatic skill, and luck has potentially put Germany into the draw. Curiously, Germany might be in better shape if Russia was a little more hostile – if England doesn’t think it crucial to protect German centers to stop a Russian solo, then Germany becomes less important.

ITALY: C-
Not quite to the extent of Germany, but, it looks like a reduced Italy is going to survive into the stalemate. Getting Italian and English units into position to ensure Russia does not get beyond the eastern side of the Mediterranean is the key here. Turkey’s curious continued hostility, though, indicates some diplomatic failure. More than anyone else’s, Italy’s position hinges on the ability to throw the game to Russia or (maybe) England.

TURKEY: D-
Turkey’s moves are very strange to me. It almost looks like throwing centers to Russia. If Turkey and Russia are working together to ensure that Russia wins (for whatever reason), then Russia is probably grabbing centers too soon. Maybe Turkey knows Italy and England plan to let Russia finish him off?

Turkey couldn’t guarantee stopping Russia, but it’s certainly possible to slow things down. Grabbing Naples perhaps put Italy and Turkey on a collision course; if so, it wasn’t worth the center. Disbanding the Naples fleet (since Turkey couldn’t hold it anyway) would have been better, I think; Turkey could have possibly defended some home centers, or at least slowed Russia down until Italian and English help arrived, to make it to the draw. Either someone isn’t thinking out all the moves properly, or there is something going on behind-the-scenes that I don’t quite grasp.

RUSSIA: B-
I don’t think Russia is going to get to a solo, unless there are serious tactical and strategic errors on the other side. Some of the play maybe could have been stronger; Sevastopol to Rumania covers the center, and that’s important, but it also means that it will take an additional phase to get that fleet out. But I don’t know how much a difference it makes – riskier moves might make a solo more likely, but a misstep would make it nearly impossible. I do like the move to Smyrna first; Ankara will be there, and you can take it at your leisure.

I have to think Russia is doing something right diplomatically. He is eating Turkey while either convincing Turkey to keep attacking west or at least not giving a reason for Turkey to turn back east. Sometimes the best move is to not get in the way of someone else making a mistake.

One last thing to think about: Russia has about two builds coming, and maybe three. But let’s be conservative and say that Russia gets two builds for the fall, putting him at 14. That means that Russia needs some from both the gettable sets of German and Turkish centers (four of Serbia, Greece, Berlin, Kiel, and Munich) for a solo. And yet, Turkey has absolutely no leverage with a western alliance trying to slow down a Russian solo, while Germany has plenty. I think that everyone in this game understands geographically and tactically why that is; if not, ask your TA about it.
Short pause as President Eden is taking over as Germany's TA while Stackelberg is away.
stupidfighter (253 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
Thank you for the update Goldfinger, I shall contact him with all haste.
ckroberts (3548 D)
24 Mar 14 UTC
While we're paused, I'd be interested to hear the other professors' opinions on Russia's solo-bility.
ckroberts (3548 D)
27 Mar 14 UTC
Did we lose another?
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
27 Mar 14 UTC
Looking like it. I first caught it through reading the Study Group thread.
Scoggle hasn't been online or checked his email. I'll give him a little more time.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
28 Mar 14 UTC
If you decide to replace England, I'd be happy to step in. But, if there's interest from anyone else, they should probably have the spot (I played in both the last SoW, and the SoW study group that is currently going on).
mendax (321 D)
28 Mar 14 UTC
As A_Tin_Can's TA last time round, I can support him as a very enthusiastic student.
ckroberts (3548 D)
01 Apr 14 UTC
A bump.
Haven't heard from Scoggle in email or PM. A_Tin_Can is in.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
02 Apr 14 UTC
Great! Who is the TA for England at the moment? I'll get in touch with them.

Do I need to do anything to get seated in the game?
A_Tin_Can is in. Now we apparently need a Turkey.
mendax (321 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
This games seems to be far more of a mess than the previous one.
dyager_nh (619 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
What are the professors opinion of treating NMR's as a learning experience. Just let the game go forward as it would in a normal game and learn how to best deal with it.

Seems once the pausing starts, it never seems to end as it perpetuates people losing interest
I was just contacted by A_Tin_Can. It's going to take us a little time to orient ourselves, but we should be ready to go pretty quickly.

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President Eden (2750 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
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Eden "Time For My Post-Promotion GR Slump" Invitational
Apparently when you get promoted this has an adverse effect on your Diplomacy skills and you start to suck (ask 2ndWhiteLine). I want to test this theory in a gunboat invitational! Sign up here and I'm going to pick the six lucky winners of GR and points (at my expense) with an RNG*.

(*: this is a lie)
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
31 Mar 14 UTC
Iran and Nuclear Armageddon
Anybody currently worried about the Iran Nuclear threat? I thought that was a real threat to peace in the Middle East.
Anyone believe the bullshit they see in the news?
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
05 Apr 14 UTC
WrestleMania XXX
Well, tomorrow's the biggest day on the pro wrestling calendar. You watching? Who ya got? Does anyone even care besides me?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Apr 14 UTC
Tibet
What do you think about the situation?
Could one compare it to the Ukrainian 'crisis' a short while ago?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
On a 1-10 scale, how bad is this?
Small-town Texas cops give two bogus citations to man for laws he didn't break after he objects to an illegal search. City Attorney vaguely threatens citee with anal rape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emmoJvpSGyw
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R Danger D (101 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Modern Diplomacy II: Stalemate Lines
I have a question to submit to the collective. Are there stalemate lines in Modern Diplomacy II? If so, where are they?
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Hazel-Rah (1262 D)
30 Mar 14 UTC
A challenge and appeal to my former opponents...
Help me celebrate my anniversary!
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Automatic Diplomacy (0 DX)
04 Apr 14 UTC
Brief question concerning moves
If you move into a territory occupied by an enemy while they try to move into an unoccupied territory, will their move be successful, or will they be stuck? I'm asking because I vaguely remember being able to stop an enemy from moving by moving to where their unit was, but I recently tried it in a gunboat to no avail.
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Maniac (184 D(B))
04 Apr 14 UTC
Grand National Sweepstake
Pick a horse for the poster above - keep list up to date, one horse one player.
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kasimax (243 D)
25 Mar 14 UTC
french full press game
we tried setting one of these up a little while ago, yet it didn't work, so here's the second try!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Apr 14 UTC
Tightening muscles
I just noticed something weird:
I can tighten my right arm muscles quite well, but I seem to be unable to do anything other than moving with my left arm. It seems I'm unable to give the 'order' to simply tighten my left arm at all in any other way than pressing on something for example. My right arm is definitely stronger, but surely I should be able to tighten my left arm's muscles, even if they're weaker? Is that odd or normal?
Not worried, just curious.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Published press
Would you change your play style if all the messages between powers became public at the end if the game?
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shikari (231 D)
04 Apr 14 UTC
How to report players for possible out of game collusion?
Hey guys, I sense some foul play in one of my anonymous no chat games. Two players are cooperating on an impossibly accurate level with one player simply doing everything in their power to help another without defending for any attacks from the other player as if they are one player or two cooperating out of game. How do I report this to mods to check?
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Maniac (184 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
Gambling with Maniac
Warning: Most of my bets lose, but if you want to follow the fun read on. Disclaimer, I am not licenced under any jurisdiction to offer gambling (investment) advice, your investment may go down as well as collapse, your home is at risk if you do not keep up the payments, yada, yada, yada...
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
25 Jan 14 UTC
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Gunboat School of War - Official Thread
gameID=134235

This is the official thread for professor commentary. Professors are the only members permitted to discuss this game, though non-leading questions from spectators are welcome. Discussing ongoing gunboat games is in violation of site rules, gunboat SoW games are the sole exception to that rule via the moderator team. Please read the first post inside before posting in this thread.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
03 Apr 14 UTC
A Salute to Jane Goodall
Today she turns 80 years young, and here's to 80 more - after all, she is an immortal goddess, right?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2010/10/jane-goodall/quammen-text
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140402-jane-goodall-gombe-chimps-primatology-tanzania-world-science/
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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As above, below
Ah fuck i dont think i can keep up with the new memes
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
02 Apr 14 UTC
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Why do I need memes to get +1s?
I've been lurking for months so PE can only assume that I will promptly show up in the next 30 minutes to post my master post, haul in double-digit +1s and ride off into the sunset a rich man once again.
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krellin (80 DX)
03 Apr 14 UTC
Zingerman's Deli (Obama's Lunch)
http://zingermansdeli.com/menus/corned-beef-sandwiches/

Obama visits Zingerman's Deli, touts them for paying above minimum wage. Kills his own argument by visiting a restaurant only the 1% can buy a sandwich from. Check out these prices...this is what $15/hr sandwich makers will cost you. (example: $13 for a turkey on rye...wow. Just wow...)
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Eggzavier (444 D)
01 Apr 14 UTC
New classic games
Two new classic games. WTAnonymous; 30 D each
Classic: gameID=139193
Gunboat classic: gameID=139194
Git sum
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