Well at least Obama closed Camp Gitmo!

But mcbride...

No.
Just...no.
You do NOT compare Bush OR Obama to a serial killer.
Why?

1. It's incredibly stupid.
2. It's incredibly stupid
3. Obama doesn't INTEND to murder innocent people; Holmes did, monstrously
4. Obama doesn't "murder" people...he sends them to war. NOT the same thing.
5. It is within his legal power to do so, he was elected
6. How tasteless IS IT to try and score a political victory due to a tragedy?
7. Doing so instantly causes me to not take said party seriously and view them as cretins.
8. IT IS SO VERY, VERY INCREDIBLY STUPID. VERY.

This isn't classless. It's the truth.

So what would be a 'classy' but effective way to point out that Obama's body count is far higher than the Aurora mass murderer?

It's not the message I find classless, Tolstoy:

It's the exploitation of the shooting, and the place and timing.

You want post a billboard outlaying Obama's supposed faults, including the fact that, yes, as Commander in Chief--odd that's the term Bush got, but for Obama it's "murdering" when he sends less men off to fight in smaller conflicts, but I digress--that's fine, that's politics, and it's an election year.

But comparing him to the Aurora shooter a WEEK after the shooting?

That's classless and exploiting the DEATHS of the victims to try and sound witty when, in fact, you sound callous.

And it's telling:

The families of the victims are "outraged" over the billboard...hmmm...I can't imagine WHY anyone would feel outraged that, just a little over a week past the shooting and just as the funerals begin, their now-deceased love ones are being used as fodder for a cheap, tasteless political point that logically doesn't even pan out.

And it's not a "body count."

I'm sorry, I must have missed something--

Did Obama PERSONALLY shoot those soldiers, Tolstoy?

OR, as is in his power as President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, did he send them off to fight in a combat mission and OTHERS killed them in an armed conflict?



Do you not see the clear and obvious difference?

obiwan + 1

OBAMA ***regularly** sends unmanned drone weapons into Pakistan --- an "ally" -- to assassinate people. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT the collateral damage is CIVILIANS.

Obama IS A SERIAL KILLER.

End of story.

That analogy on the billboard is perfect.

O.o

He sends in those drones...INTO A WAR ZONE.

A Movie Theatre =/= A War Zone!
A Med Student =/= The Commander in Chief!

That makes NO sense...

"Definition:

In an analogy, two objects (or events), A and B are shown to be similar. Then it is argued that since A has property P, so also B must have property P. An analogy fails when the two objects, A and B, are different in a way which affects whether they both have property P.
Examples:
Employees are like nails. Just as nails must be hit in the head in order to make them work, so must employees.
Government is like business, so just as business must be sensitive primarily to the bottom line, so also must government. (But the objectives of government and business are completely different, so probably they will have to meet different criteria.)"

LOGIC--

It's NOT just for the literate anymore! (Well...maybe it is.)

And in any case--

How is transforming the deaths of 12 people and their family's grief A WEEK after it happened for a political purpose in any way classy, tactful, or fair?

There's the right to Freedom of Speech...

But with that comes the Responsibility to Speak Intelligently and Tactfully if You Want People to Take You Seriously.



Something this cretin, and you, krellin, both lack.

Obi, you fucking idiiot, PAKISTAN IS AN ALLY....IT IS NOT A WAR ZONE.

Further, you jack-assholsih moron....random villages in Pakistan are not "war zones"

If BUSH had done this, you would be screaming bloody MURDER you fucking disingenuous jackhole!

I mean...I know you are a dick and all that...but I thought you at least had a shred of integrity. I guess I was 100% wrong. Fuck...even NPR does stories about the civilian murders in Pakistan by Obama...

Aparently...according to OBama.. and you...a war zone is what? Anywhere Obama wants to kill people?

Obi - you fuckwad -- the scores of people in Pakistan who have been MURDERED at the command of OBama don't care that their family memebers were killed 6 months ago...they are still DEAD.

And...while you want to play Miss Sensitivity....I would dare say there are more than a few in Colorado that would AGREE with the billboard..../because true tragedy tends to put aside political correctness (such as you are displaying) and brings out the truth in people. The truth...the kid's murder spree was horrendous.....and equally true....Obama's murder spree is horrendous. It isn't about politics, dickwad....it's about MURDER...and OBAMA is a murderer, no less than the Aurora jackass. YOu are just an American-centric asshole who thinks that the lives of poor peasants in Pakistan don't matter, thus you dismiss their deaths as meaningless.

Fuck you.

"Obi, you fucking idiiot, PAKISTAN IS AN ALLY....IT IS NOT A WAR ZONE."

So is Saudi Arabia and other anti-Western Islamic states--doesn't mean we have to take the terrorist groups' garbage lying down.

"Further, you jack-assholsih moron....random villages in Pakistan are not "war zones"

They are once terrorists in a "War on Terror" start activities there.

"If BUSH had done this, you would be screaming bloody MURDER you fucking disingenuous jackhole!"

Nooooo...I'm sorry, did I scream bloody murder when Bush's operations killed Saddam?

NOPE!

I was actually happy with Bush as President to that point...it was the 5-year slide afterward that I hated.

And I explicitly said that I'd say the same about Bush IN THE SCRIPT UNDER THE TITLE OF THE THREAD...

Can't you READ, krellin?

"Obi - you fuckwad --"

I'm sorry!
You officially lose the right to be treated like an adult in an adult conversation!
Try again and use your grown-up, mature words next time!
Happy trails, troll!

:D

Once again, folks--

Difference between the Right to Freedom of Speech...

And the Right to Have Your Speech Taken Seriously.

Once again, folks....Obi/The Left pick and choose their morality. Allies are allies unless a lib wants to violate thei airspace. Murder is murder only when commited by a Republican, etc, blah blah blah.

You are pathetic.

But you are correct...nobody can take your bullshit equivocating seriously. You actually think Obama's murder's are acceptable....and yet would have cried out against Bush doing the same thing. You are a fucking joke.

Sorry Obi...Bush didn't kill Saddam. Saddam was tried, convicted, and executed by his fellow Iraqis.

Following his capture on 13 December 2003, the trial of Saddam took place under the Iraqi interim government. On 5 November 2006, Saddam was convicted of charges related to the 1982 killing of 148 Iraqi Shi'ites and was sentenced to death by hanging. His execution was carried out on 30 December 2006

Obi you are missing the point.

we are not at war with Pakistan yet we send drones in that as was pointed out kill civilians. Are they the same, no. Is Obama a serial killer or mass murderer, no. Does he know that civilians will die, yes. He may not be a mentally unstable mass murderer but I like the idea of pointing out that Obama is advocating these collateral civilian deaths. And I will likely vote for him since this is one thing that I don't like opposed to Many I do.

@flc64:

Well, he knew he'd be killed by handing him over to the folks he did, but fair enough--

Bush's attacks did kill Uday and Qusai though, yes?

That still counts?

I think bush is just as guilty.

@smcbride:

" Is Obama a serial killer or mass murderer, no."

Then it is fallacious and disingenuous to compare him to one on a billboard.

"I like the idea of pointing out that Obama is advocating these collateral civilian deaths."

I disagree that Obama is "advocating" for civilian deaths, he's not going out there saying "YES, I am launching this attack to kill civilians because I support killing civilians," he just weighs the pros and cons of an attack and decides that the military targets he hits and the gains made there outweigh the cons of civilian casualties, which are often unavoidable.

You can argue whether that is right or wrong, and would have a fair point on both sides of that argument.

So make your argument based off of THAT--

DO NOT include a faulty analogy to a serial killer who just a week ago terrorized the families of an entire community...that's taking advantage of the situation AND, again, faulty reasoning, so not only do you come off as irrational and illogical in making a faulty analogy, you come off as cheap and callous politically for exploiting the deaths of innocents in an attempt to further your political message.

The billboard was absolutely correct.

1. Look who's talking.
2. Look who's talking.
3. Yes. Obama DOES intend to murder innocent POOR BROWN people, and does so efficiently.
4. Yes. Sending people to a legitimate righteous war is not the same as murdering people, but the united states has never done that in either of our lifetimes.
5. Whose laws? Not mine. whose election? Not mine. Team America -- World Police means nothing to the rest of the world.
6. Agreed. It was tasteless. It would have been equally powerful minus the comparison.
7. Nobody cares what YOU take seriously. You are a pseudo-intellectual celibate flag waver.
8. Look who's talking.

Did you read MANUFACTURING CONSENT by Chomsky?

You need to get over your naivete. This MIGHT help........
7.
5.

Ignore the

7.
5.

at the end....

FYI, Getting along with people > War 85% of the time.

"Then it is fallacious and disingenuous to compare him to one on a billboard."

Sure it is, I agreed to that originally. I said it wasn't the best way to do it. I just take no umbrage in the billboard.

"you come off as cheap and callous"

So? What is your point? It may not make me right but I think Obama is just as callous when he approves a drone strike that will likely kill Civilians. On the low end The U.S has killed about 381 civilians and over 1500 casualties. If someone decides to make a "false analogy" so be it. Although, I would say that the dictionary definition of mass murderer need not be the analogy. In my mind the analogy is pointing out that both men are responsible for deaths.

"So is Saudi Arabia and other anti-Western Islamic states--doesn't mean we have to take the terrorist groups' garbage lying down."

Not sure if you are aware, but, we have created more extremists then we have stopped. Talk about a hydra. We get 1 or 2 Al-Qaeda big guys and kill 10 or 20 civilians. And the surviving friends and family are struck with grief and are easily fundamentalized.

"They are once terrorists in a "War on Terror" start activities there"

This is just a ridiculous argument that I can't believe our country has fallen for. Leaving out the previous argument that our actions increase the number of radicals, this is just a bad policy. If a terrorist is in a building with 200 people. Do you destroy the building to kill the terrorist? In my book you don't.

...When was that in question, Al Swearengen?

It is the equivalent of your argument. What is the difference between destroying a building and destroying a village?

Oh, and obi-dork, it would be more accurate to title your next thread,....

And People Think 'I' Am A Pseudo-Intellectual, Celibate, Flag Waver...

"If BUSH had done this, you would be screaming bloody MURDER you fucking disingenuous jackhole!"

Bush did do that you drunk alcoholic lush idiot

Maybe instead of cussing and calling each other names, you should dicuss on what you disagree on

I have to say those drones are fucking cool to fly! I've got RealFlight 6 (an R/C trainer) and the predator is one of the R/C planes. Damn fine plane too. More than enough power to do the job (can nearly take off from a vertical position) and turns on a fucking dime!

But, onto the subject at hand. I agree that the "timeliness" of the BB stunk. Their message was fine for what they wanted to do (shock via a flawed anaology) but their choice of using the Aurora tragedy was in poor taste. They could have put one up areound the anniversary of 9/11 though that poitned out the terrorists killed 6000 and Obama's drones have killed way more civilians than that.