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hecks (164 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Christmas Music: How Soon is too Soon?
A local station went to an all-Christmas-music format last Monday. I say that's too early. What's your personal acceptable threshold for listening to Christmas music?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
20 Nov 13 UTC
Gunboat
hey I am currently in an anonymous gunboat game, in which there are other players, and i control a country
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SYnapse (0 DX)
19 Nov 13 UTC
At which point did the Nobel Peace Prize lose all credibility?
Which of these really made it into the joke it now is?
1. When Kissinger got it
2. When Al Gore got it
3. When Obama got it
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
18 Nov 13 UTC
Saving vs investing
Thoughts? Personal approach?
Short and sweet.
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swagspencer70 (0 DX)
20 Nov 13 UTC
Mods Suck!
Haha I was able to make a second account! DC35 was right, it was easy!
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Randomizer (722 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Zimmerman arrested for pointing shotgun at girl friend
George Zimmerman arrested again on multiple charges for threatening his girl friend with a shotgun. If this had happened before the trial it would have established of history of solving problems with violence.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/justice/florida-george-zimmerman-arrest/
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Forum mod issues
Hi all, just writing about some changes to the mod team structure and welcoming back some extra help:
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Although our forum consistently hosts interesting and diverse discussions, and has for years, there has been a recent trend towards antagonizing the mod team, which is really unfair given all the work they put in to keep the site free of cheaters (trust me it is not an easy job).

I frequently get e-mails asking why this or that account was banned, and have always been impressed when I go to the mod team and ask for the justification. Although moderation always has grey areas there is always an impartial, well-reasoned process behind every decision.


The tireless efforts to keep the server free of multi-accounters, and manage the stream of moderation requests from a server with hundreds of active users (and occasionally across more than one server) is something we should all be thankful for. Developers like myself will occasionally put a big burst of effort into adding functionality, and donors will make generous donations to help us keep up with the servers biannual payments when necessary, but the mod team is there every single day keeping the server playable.

A small minority clearly take that completely for granted, and that's a real shame. Of course we try to have a self-moderation policy where possible, where we make it very easy to ignore. I think this deprives the trolls (which emerge in all communities) of the attention they crave, and keeps things civil and dynamic, but apparently a small minority think self-moderation means the forum is a free for all, baiting the mod team is a sport, and a forum policy is there to be tested.


The mod team and me have discussed and asked around and decided some minor changes will be made to the Forum. I'd like to welcome back and thank abgemacht for taking the lead in helping with this Forum transition. Hopefully the upcoming changes will ease the pressure on the game team, and make sure there's no anti-mod sentiment from multi-accounters leaching over into the forum

I think most people know when the line is crossed without explicit guidelines / policy, and forum moderation is going to be based more on trusting users to have common sense than spelling it out. If something is borderline and you're genuinely not sure if it's okay to post write the mod team about it ([email protected]) . If you think the mod team has made a mistake write me about it ([email protected])


While I'm writing let me say apologies for not getting more changes out. I know the last change was about a year ago, and although it was a major change to add translation support that's pretty useless to the official site and we need group / real-life-friend support. Early next year I have some mandatory leave and I'm hoping to put some time towards webDip 1.4.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
First! Welcome back abge
Darn, still no emoticons :'-(
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Welcome back, Abgemacht.

@ Kestas: I'm sure I speak for the majority when I say that we greatly appreciate the level-headedness of your message, given the antagonistic activities of a noisy minority lately.

Could you perhaps clarify what you mean when you talk about changes to the forum? Do you mean that the format of the forum, in terms of functionality, will change? Or do you mean that you will be setting some rules? It doesn't look like you intend to impose tighter rules, in general, given your comments about "without explicit guidelines" so I'm interested to know what these changes are, or will be.

Thank you!
Maniac (189 D(B))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Hi Kestas

I've been a member for over 5 years and made nearly 3500 forum posts. In all that time I don't think I've swore or abused any other member. I certainly don't consider myself a troll, but it is of course for others to decide for themselves.

It is right that you stand by the mods, who on the whole do an outstanding job.

However, I do not think mods should be immune from criticism when they get it wrong, in the same way that the police, ambulance services and doctors should also be criticised when they get things wrong.

I think some mods may can be condescending to members, they believe they are always right and don't listen to reasoned argument. This leaves members frustrated and perhaps they do push boundaries in the same way a child would faced with an over stringent parent.

Let me give you an example - one of your mods said ""If you don't like content you're more then welcome to stalk someone and harass them every time they post offensive content." Stalking means several things, of course, but it is an offence in several jurisdictions including Australia and the UK. There is little difference between online stalking and real life stalking. When I respectfully pointed out that perhaps mods shouldn't be condoning criminal activity I was given short shrift.

I'm left with the impression that some mods think they are above the law. They want to censure some posts which arn't illegal in most jurisdictions, but will condone and even encourage criminal activity. They will refer you to rule 9 - common sense, but I think they interpret that to mean "common sense is whatever the mods think".

I would prefer a forum that allowed open discussion on all topics provided it doesn't break any laws. You have given us the tools to mute people and threads. We can self-regulate the forum, sometimes it might not be pretty, but it can be done.

I also think this would allow mods to carry on with important stuff and not put them in a position of being continually at odds with forum members.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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I would like to add to Maniac's point what I've said in my e-mails with you; the mods are heavy handed in the incorrect areas. They are heavy handed on people who are annoying, but not on hate speech where people flagrant the word "ni**er" openly on the forum. They are heavy handed on some and not on others. Ad hominem attacks are encouraged in this forum culture provided that they are not spam. People's children have been threatened. They have been accused of being pedophiles. Noone has been banned for this. But several users have been silenced and/or banned under the ambiguous "spamming" rule. A few have been silenced for discussing moderator decisions.

If it were my site I would be a lot stricter on hate speech and intolerance, and less strict on thread-making and discussing mod decisions, for example.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Mods are also forum users and players, let's not forget that, they may not get it right all the time, which shows they are human just like us ..... obviously not jmo though, he is part android.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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@Maniac, Kestas just gave you the method he would like you to make your complaints about the moderator team.

"If you think the mod team has made a mistake write me about it ([email protected])"

No one has said you aren't allowed to air grievances, what is being asked is that it's done like an adult and handled with a bit of respect. For example, if you don't like the services you receive in a retail store you can either stand in the store and start shouting what a jerk the person you worked with is, or you can call the store's headquarters and take it up with the higher managers. I've only had success with one of those methods in the past ;)



Maniac (189 D(B))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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JMO - I wasn't making a complaint, I was contributing to the discussion, if Kestas chooses to ignore forum posts and only receive correspondence via email - then fine. I certainly won't be complaining officially about anyone.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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@ SYnapse: "But several users have been silenced and/or banned under the ambiguous "spamming" rule."

Name one user who has been *banned* from the site for spamming, where it could be said that there was any ambiguity about whether or not the site authorities would be likely to consider their actions spamming.
Maniac (189 D(B))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Also Jmo saying "what is being asked is that it's done like an adult and handled with a bit of respect." implies you think (a) I'm not an adult, when I'm 47 and (b) I'm being disrespectful - I wasn't.
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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"I wasn't making a complaint, I was contributing to the discussion,"

Maniac that is how I interpreted your comments too. Sometimes it's good to float a few ideas and see whether other people feel the same way, or alternately see if there alternate point of view that you might not have properly considered yet. To have a discussion.

SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Banned, silenced, whatever.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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@ SYnapse: "Banned, silenced, whatever"

The two are different. It's an important difference. Do you retract your claim?
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
Synapse. Who do you think was unfairly silenced for spamming. You don't mean blagflag do you? Surely not. He was a major spammer.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
"Or" is a different word to "and". It's an important difference.

Side note - thank God for user moderation! Bye Jamie.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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spyman; I was for one, for reopening a thread that the mods admitted they shouldn't have closed regarding Blankflag. Draugnar was silenced for spamming as well. Several users have been threatened with spamming offences simply for trying to discuss something. That highschool kid defending his friend, that's not "spam". "Spam" is unrelated unwanted crap like advertisements. Recently it has been interpreted as, "not shutting up" by the moderator team.
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Posting several threads a day about conspiracy theories, day after day, is spam, especially as in blankflag's case he really wasn't interested in a discussion. I don't know about those other cases, I must have missed those ones.
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
I guess it's not spam in the strictest sense of the idea of automated junk mail. But in a figurative sense it was spam.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
I said me, not blankflag. I raised a blankflag thread, it was locked, I re-opened it, I was silenced for spamming. Later I received an admission that it should not have been locked.
SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
The point is that clearly making one thread about something cannot be called "spam." It might still be something else, like questioning a mod decision, but this cannot fall like many other things under the spamming rule, which is now like the "loitering with intent" of webdip. Question a mod? You're spamming. Continue talking about something you're asked not to talk about? Spamming. Posting distasteful threads? Spamming.

Aside from this, remember that Blankflag's 1 year silence was for posting within his own thread which he had been designated to post in (not spamming).
Dharmaton (2398 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
This is great and thx for the tireless supervision, keep in mind that the forum is part of the fun, and sometimes we get to exchange ideas, learn and grow in the process. Thx again, and certainly looking forwards to version 1.4!!!
two suggestions: simplify the New Game page, implement Stats if possible, and an enter 'same moves' button - that would be awesome. :D
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
@ SYnapse: "Aside from this, remember that Blankflag's 1 year silence was for posting within his own thread which he had been designated to post in (not spamming)."

No, it wasn't. That is simply not correct.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
In the days leading up to blankflag's 1 year silence he had posted multiple threads on the forum, he had stated his intention to spam the forum, and he had been warned to stop creating pointless new threads. He was not silenced for posting within his "news" thread. You know that. To state otherwise is a lie. You are lying. That's beneath you.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Just to be 100% clear, blankflag was given a 1-year silence for posting THIS thread:

threadID=1058175

That thread was clearly not "his own thread which he had been designated to post in (not spamming)".

Could someone re-post this as I believe SYnapse has muted me? I'd appreciate it. SYnapse needs to be told that he can't get away with telling outright lies and attempting to re-write the history of that particular episode.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Hello all,

I know some of you are looking for specific ways in which the Forum will be changing. I'm hesitant to mention anything at the moment, as I'm not exactly sure yet what I'll be doing. I don't want anyone to panic, though. There won't be any radical policy changes or major restrictions on free speech. I think most of you know I greatly value the freedom this Forum offers and I'm not looking to take that away. Think of me more as a liaison between the mods and the community.

I will be handling Forum issues from now on. Soon, I'll likely ask some other mods for help, as I can't really spend all day reading the Forum. All mods will continue to handle things like cheating accusations, although I've asked them to use the utmost discretion.

If you have any thoughts, please feel free to contact me via the mod email or have a conversation about it in the Forum. As always, I welcome suggestions and criticism. What I'd like to avoid, however, is the rapid escalation of "boundary testing" that we've seen the past couple weeks. It's not conducive to a functioning community. Just use some sense when posting and, hopefully, I won't need to do anything at all.

abgemacht
webDip Ombudsman
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
All Hail our new Ombumacht!
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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"Name one user who has been *banned* from the site for spamming"...

*points to self*

@Abge ... pretty much all of the mod-baiting that I've seen ended since Draug left.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
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"@Abge ... pretty much all of the mod-baiting that I've seen ended since Draug left."

Great. As I said, my goal is to do as little as possible.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
@bo_sox, you were banned by Kestas, and later unbanned by Kestas, don't point at us on that one :)

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steephie22 (182 D(S))
19 Nov 13 UTC
Is there any unbiased (in a not too strict sense) Nobel Prize?
What it says on the tin.
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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The First Amendment
see more below:
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shield (3929 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Can you cut your own support?
Example
A Paris moves to Picardy
A Brest support Paris to Picardy
A Gascony moves to Brest
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ckroberts (3548 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Tablet question
I need advice on buying a tablet.
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sirKristof (15 DX)
16 Nov 13 UTC
Bouncing yourself
Recently when trying to bounce myself, my enemy supported on of my units against the other and the bounce didn't work! Is that what's supposed to happen? I thought your units don't fight each other
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faker (100 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
NEW IDEAS, AND BEGINER HELP
please use this thread to help beginers etc. Or to discuss about new ideas before posting...
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hecks (164 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
Comics!
The missus is teaching a college-level art history class, and has reached the unit on comics, both comic books and comic strips. She requests your thoughts on the following question: What single work/artist would you say has had a major impact on the development of comics as an art form?
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swagspencer70 (0 DX)
19 Nov 13 UTC
SWAG
yolo
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Styje (266 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Anyone here follow Monstercat?
To the Stars by Braken is a favorite of mine - https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/braken-to-the-stars
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ILN (100 D)
19 Nov 13 UTC
Vigilantes oust drug cartels.
Citizens of a town in Mexico, fed up with drug cartels, mass kidnappings, murder and extortion take action against drug cartels and corrupt police. Federal government sends army http://www.newsdaily.com/world/3ca94ee88cce3438ac68ebcbe109d335/vigilantes-seize-town-in-western-mexico
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Nov 13 UTC
Rob Ford
Probably the greatest story ever. We'll all be joking about him someday.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/rob-ford-goes-to-cfl-playoff-game-ends-up-standing-next-to-woman-with-sign-mocking-him-as-mayor-photo/
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
15 Nov 13 UTC
Sugar and Hyper-activity...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkr9YsmrPAI

Some things will never be resolved.
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
GreatDebate
I haven't given up, Thucy.
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
50 Shades of Herpes and Cocaine
If you are not yet convinced that eReaders are the supplier format for modern reading....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2509288/50-Shades-Grey-library-book-tests-positive-HERPES-COCAINE.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
The Kindle PaperWhite or Nook GlowLight are both excellent choices.
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hecks (164 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Amendment Cage Match, round 1!
I'm sick of hearing about which amendments people like the most and which they like and which ones they hate, so we'll settle this the best way possible: an amendments death match tournament! Details to follow.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Writing Thread
Haven't had one of these in a while and it might help cool everyone off. What are you writing/have you written?
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krellin (80 DX)
18 Nov 13 UTC
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Gameshow Japan Style - 40 Minutes to Climax...
http://m.theweek.com/article.php?id=252933

Just read....40 minute climax challenge. YJ's buying his.plane tickets presently...
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krellin (80 DX)
16 Nov 13 UTC
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Mold on a HotDog...
We just found mold on a hot dog in our fridge...which I must say i was quite surprised to find. I truly thought the hot dog was invincible...

My faith in modern food science is slightly diminished. If anyone has encouraging words for me, I'd appreciate it.
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gnuvag (621 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Rules Question - Bouncing
I have a question about bouncing...

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thehamster (3263 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
Mods: Live Game Help!
Hey Mods
I rarely bother you
So if you'd be so kind as to check your email. There's a cheating issue in a current live game. Thanks, Hamster
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Maniac (189 D(B))
17 Nov 13 UTC
Black Pete
Racist or a quaint tradition?
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Onar (131 D)
18 Nov 13 UTC
I went to high school with this guy
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/long-island-man-arrested-plotting-join-al-qaeda-article-1.1489748

Actually, I used to play diplomacy with him, too. Weird.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
18 Nov 13 UTC
The 2nd Amendment
Everyone has their own opinions on it, but I feel rather strongly that 2nd Amendment rights should be supported, as it is not only necessary for self-defense, but as a measure of self-expression.

This summarizes my view nicely
http://imgur.com/CzkZUiQ
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