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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
01 Aug 13 UTC
The Masters Round 5
Emails are going out tonight, so check your inboxes in the morning. Let's have this round start in a timely manner :)

Also, those who volunteered to sub, just touch base with me. I have enough for this round, but I have this nagging feeling that I'm forgetting someone...
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
31 Jul 13 UTC
Break Out the Tinfoil Hats
The age of the Orbital Mind Control Laser is nearly upon us!

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/secret-darpa-mind-control-project.html
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
31 Jul 13 UTC
Live full press Passworded game tonight?
Is anyone interested in playing a live full press game tonight? Maybe start 7-8pm?
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nudge (284 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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Why R U Yanks so hung up on race?
Race seems to come into everything you do.Evidence: the Zimmerman threads here. Why is the colour of a man's skin seem to be the most important to you all, rather than his character?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
31 Jul 13 UTC
EoG Live WTA-GB-143
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krellin (80 DX)
29 Jul 13 UTC
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Democrats Hate Women?
There are a couple prominent Democrats in the news recently doing foul things towards women...and have been prominent Democrats in the past (4 examples to follow). The party line response? SILENCE. Funny, the White House openly speaks about all sorts of race issues...but on Sexual abuse by Democrats...silence. Do DEMOCRATS HATE WOMEN?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Jul 13 UTC
Marijuana
It's illegal in the US.

Why.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
30 Jul 13 UTC
Podcast recommendation needed
Sirs,

I might be going on a bit of a road trip in the near future, and will require something to listen to. Any recommendations for some good podcasts?
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
08 Jul 13 UTC
One last game?
In a fit of 'big headedness', I'm asking the community I've been playing Diplomacy with for some time now whether or not I should commit to an ultimate game before I leave this site. More info inside.
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krellin (80 DX)
28 Jul 13 UTC
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Grofying, Gleeifying FAILURE
For dog's sake...He died of a drug overdose! Can we stop glorfying Hollywood fuck-ups! Stop glorifying athlete fuck-ups, etc. Oh, yay, he had such a pretty smile, bla blah. He took a dream life and threw it away. STOP GLORIFYING FUCKUPS!

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Glee-Mike-OMalley-Cory-Monteith-1068339.aspx Just another of the endless sob-stories that hides the pathetic truth.
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dirge (768 D(B))
31 Jul 13 UTC
Gov Rick Scott supported by Satanists?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/satanists-warm-fla-gov-rick-scott-article-1.1240057
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LakersFan (899 D)
30 Jul 13 UTC
Woman mistakenly foreclosed on -- bank won't return her stuff
To discuss the above topic, please read the article below first:
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
30 Jul 13 UTC
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My Dovo Straight Razor Just Arrived
Going to try it out tonight. If you never hear from me again, you'll know why.
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JesusPetry (258 D)
30 Jul 13 UTC
Yet Another Ancient Med Gunboat
gameID=123911
WTA, 17 D, 36h
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tendmote (100 D(B))
30 Jul 13 UTC
Ghost Rank and Resignations
When Player 1 is getting beaten in a Diplomacy game, and resigns, and some other player takes over the position, does this count as a loss for Player 1 in Ghost Rank?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
29 Jul 13 UTC
Trains
France, Spain, Florida, Quebec, now Switzerland... any other train crashes to report?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
28 Jul 13 UTC
THX 1138
Anybody see this rather unorthodox piece of work? :-)
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sirKristof (15 DX)
29 Jul 13 UTC
funny moves
Some weird moves, hopefully nothing though!
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
27 Jul 13 UTC
Manslaughter
I didn't follow the Martin/Zimmerman case too closely (mostly because the media turned it into a politically-charged circus, as they do most everything they latch onto), and while the stand-your-ground law is plain stupid, he was not guilty of murder under the law. However, I don't understand why he wasn't guilty of manslaughter.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Jul 13 UTC
Sixty-nine, dude!
That's my available points as of posting this thread. :-)
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Ubermensch (0 DX)
30 Jul 13 UTC
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Fleet Poland to Ukraine??
How is this possible?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=122451#gamePanel
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TBroadley (178 D)
22 Jul 13 UTC
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LUSTHOG SQUAD
Update contained inside. Please read.
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Tardigrade (102 D)
29 Jul 13 UTC
American Game in Need of Players?
There's currently an American game titled "Battle for Texornia" that has six spaces left. The four people currently listed, and one more who will be listed if he decides to join, do know each other. Alliances and enemies however, will be made under circumstance and not pre-game relationships. Please take that into account if you sign up. The toll is 15 D and the password is turner.
gameID=123677
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Tardigrade (102 D)
29 Jul 13 UTC
American Game in Need of Players!
There's currently an American game titled "The Great War for Texornia" that has six spaces left. The four people currently listed, and possibly another who will be named if he joins, do know each other. Alliances and enemies however, will be made under circumstance and not pre-game relationships. Please take that into account if you sign up. The toll is 15 D and the password is turner.
gameID=123095
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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New gunboat tournament with a few twists
Details inside.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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I am starting a new gunboat tourney where a form of metagaming is required and highly encouraged. This tourney is meant to let people who like to discuss strategies and tactics of Diplomacy get a chance to do just that. I know from personal experience that I greatly enjoy talking with other people about specific moves as well as looking at the board as a whole. Here is my probably poor attempt at presenting my ideas and please help me do a better job of explaining or refining my ideas:

Imagine a circle of seven letters: A B C D E F G A (and we loop back to A here because it’s a circle) and each letter represents a player. So player A has two partners, B and G, while player D is partnered with C and E. Each player knows who his own partners are but no one else’s and during the game, each player may talk to his paired partner about each of their games but not about the identities of anyone else or about his other paired partner. In other words, A should talk with B about how they plan to moves in the games but not about A’s discussions with G. Please do not try to determine who is partnered with whom and who’s playing what country for each game. Obviously, A and B should let each other know which power they have in each game, but they cannot discuss which countries player D have. Players may discuss via PMs or emails. Honors rules apply.

The buy-in is 300 D or some multiples of 3 since there are three “winners” at the end: the person with the highest score and the team with the highest combined individual score. Each game is scored out of 420 D (LCM of 1 through 7) and it is divided equally among the draw/solo. The twist in the scoring is that if both of your partners make it in a draw, the the points you yourself earn from that game is doubled. For example, if A, B, C and E make it in a draw, then each person receives 420/4 or 105 D. However, since both of B’s partners are in the draw, B gets 105*2 or 210 D; A gets 105, B 210, C 105, and E 105. If A, B, C and D make it in the draw, then A gets 105, B 210, C 210, and D 105. The winners are the individual with the highest score and the pair with the highest score. SC counts will be used as tie-breakers.

The partners are chosen based on their own preference. I am hoping to be able to play in this tourney, so I will designate or ask someone to be the secondary TD. Each player will ranked who he/she would like as a partner from 1-6 with 1 being your best choice and 6 your worst. The designated TD will do his/her best to organize the seven players into a circle. Since this is very different than what we’ve done before, and it does involve breaking some aspects of anon gb games -which is why I’ve asked the mods for their blessing, we will play 3 games concurrently to see how they go and if they go well, play 4 more for a set of 7 games. No shuffling will be made. All pauses are asked and agreed before hand or discussed with the TD privately. The TD will pause/unpause the games; do not vote pause.

I will send out some personal invitations and I would also invite you to post here if you are interested. If there is enough interest, we will do two sets of tourneys (one where I’ll play and one where I’ll just TD). I realize that there might be a number of flaws/challenges, so please help me to refine my ideas and let’s make a tourney out of this.
trip (696 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
Who's team is F on?

Concerning your first example where B gets 210 for his partners being in the draw: Shouldn't his partners also get 210? I don't understand how only one player could get the double bonus.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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It's because *both* of your partners must be in the draw for you to get the bonus point.

With A, B, C, and E, A's partners are B and G and since only B is in the draw, he doesn't get the bonus point. B, on the other hand, has both A and C in the draw, hence he gets the bonus points.

F is partnered with E and G.
rokakoma (19138 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
@trip: B gets 210 because BOTH his partners survived.
About F, I guess the easyeast solution is, everyone is partnered with the neighbouring two letters in the above ordered list, therefore F is partnered with E and G. A Should be partnered with G and B, and so on.
Since players will be shuffled basically, no shuffling is needed at the letters.
trip (696 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
...or everyone gets a shot to run solo with F.
trip (696 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
...and got it.
SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
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This is fun,I love metagaming! I'd be in,if only I had CS as my partner we would fall in love with eachother!
rokakoma (19138 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
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:D
Yeah,forgot about that, +1 Roka.
The Czech (39715 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
i'm in. maybe i'll get to work WITH sd
Btw,the formula looks fine to me.I'm not good at maths but it seems fair and objective.This isn't metagaming at all,this is a "classic gunboat" variant in fact. Maybe gunboaters and full pressers could get a bit less disgusted to eachoter with this thing.Any full pressers interested?
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
I think I like the idea?

Question. If I'm B, are A and C on the same board as me? Or will there be three boards going at the same time?
The Czech (39715 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
Can we use country names please. A, B and C are too abstract for me.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
They're not country names, they're players.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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There are three boards/games going at the same time. Everyone will play all three games at the same time. All seven players will play all games at the same time. So your discussion with each of your two partners will be for three simultaneous games. :)
seth24c (5659 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
This sounds kinda cool, let me know if you would be interested in having me. also I'm a bit short on cash at the moment. is that 300 D per game for buy in?
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
I'll walk through an example as I understand it.

We have seven players:

1. 2WL
2. zultar
3. Czech
4. Split
5. trip
6. rokakoma
7. seth24c

All hypothetical participants.

Me, being player 1, can talk to seth and zultar, being that we're on the same team.

Zultar can talk to 2WL and Czech, being that they're on the same team.

All seven players will play three games simultaneously with predetermined alliances.

I can talk to seth and zultar anytime regarding the board and possible moves, not just which countries we are playing.

Zultar can't tell me who Czech is playing. Likewise, I can't tell zultar who seth24 is playing.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
So what do you do if one of your "allies" in the game is suggesting you guys kill what happens to be your other "ally" in the game? Can you say to ally 1 that you would like to see a 3 way between X,Y,and Z or would that be revealing your other ally?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
I like the enforced circle of partners. Keeps it simple. Which players are which can be ordered based on partner preferences where possible. But you wouldn't want A, B, and C to be in a triangle partnership versus D, E, F, and G in a square partnership.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
The General brings up a very valid point. It would seem difficult to hide who your other partner is while trying to keep him or her in the draw.
Fairfax (1915 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
That sounds completely insane. I'm in if there's still a spot.
I understood the formula that each player can seek for the solo in the end.Or to eliminate one of his two allies.He only "use" them to reach the best possible result in each game.Or is the 3-way among team mates better then one of the team mates gets the solo?
podium (498 D)
05 Jul 13 UTC
Count me in if there's room also.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
05 Jul 13 UTC
I don't understand it one bit but I'm definitely in.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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That is all correct, although I want to verify/explain that the predetermined alliances are based on who your partners are. Even then, it is not forbidden for you to "break" your alliance in one game; a stab, in-game and in the metagame with your partner if you will, for the solo is allowed.

If you are willing to stab one or both of your partners in one game in order to get a solo, that's fine. You will, of course, have to live with the consequence afterwards.

To continue with the hypothetical, supposed Zultar is England, 2WL is Russia, and Czech is Turkey in the first board. I, being England, can attempt to ally with France to fight Germany and Russia and I can also move on Germany or we can "fight" as to not give away that we are allies, either in game or in the tourney. If at one point, England can stab Russia for the solo, he's welcome to do so.

Gen Lee and Alderian do bring up a valid point. It might be tricky to convince one partner why you would want to keep another person in the draw, but even if you do, that *might* only reveal that you are partner with him/her in that round. However, you would not know who that other partner is in another game. So, there is a diplomatic process to this as well. You might have to argue that 3 way is better than a 2-way draw or whatever. That's part of the challenge and part of the aforementioned metagaming.

Part of my intention is to allow different sort of players to discuss the intricacies of the game because this tourney will include gunboat as well as diplomatic/press aspect.

As far as the "math" is concerned, a solo is better for the individual as well as the team. A solo nets 420 D for the individual who soloed and zero for anyone else, so the individual scores 420 D individually and the team, whose scores are 420 and 0, get also 420. A three way draw for a person with both of his partners, get him 280 D while his partners get 140 each, so one person gets 280 D and each of his team gets 280+140 or 420 D.
In summary: if solo: player B gets 420, team AB gets 420, team BC gets 420.
If three way among ABC, player B gets 280, team AB gets 280+140=420 and team BC gets 420.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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This gets tricky for your partner as well. Should he give up a solo for you when a 3 way draw gets him the most points for the team, some points for himself, and some for his partner, while a solo gets the team the same score but only one individual will get the full 420 for his individual score. This is why there are three prizes at the end: the best individual score as well as the best team score (with SC being tie-breaker).

So not only do you have to be good at gunboat and be diplomatic, you have to consider how to end each game as well.

So far, interested players:
zultar
the czech
split
2wl
fairfax
seth24c
podium

If there's enough interest, I will make two groups of seven players. I'll split the groups at my discretion.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
Question, let's player B is partners with A and C. A and C are neighbors. Player B should not tell player A what player C is saying since that would reveal the other partnership.

But can player B say that their "other partner" said player C told them such and such, when really it came direct from player C? Is that disguised enough? I would think so. But then player A has to take such information with a grain of salt considering the potential multiple lies that could be embedded in it.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
05 Jul 13 UTC
And for the record, I'm interested in the idea, but not playing as my life right now is still not in a good place for spending lots of time here.

Sounds like a fun time though.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
05 Jul 13 UTC
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Maybe I'm not understanding your point very well Alderian, but player B should not be discussing anything with player A other than what moves they'll make in the games. Or maybe this is a point of this tourney that needs to be discussed and changed, but I was thinking that no players should discuss with his partner about anything anyone else might have said in order to keep the identity of your other partner secret as well as protect the anonymity of the countries in each game.
ava2790 (232 D(S))
06 Jul 13 UTC
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Invictus (240 D)
29 Jul 13 UTC
Remember the "psychic" who claimed to have found that boy's body?
http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/07/psychic-helped-find-a-body-not-so-fast-or-impressive/

But maybe we're just not believing hard enough.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
29 Jul 13 UTC
Major changes in science and engineering
So, last century we went to the moon, built nuclear plants and weapons and discovered the structure of DNA and many proteins. What are we doing this century? Thoughts?
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Gnome de Guerre (359 D)
28 Jul 13 UTC
Miracle @ Dunkirk & Houserules
Does this idea that I just have already get implemented as a house rule, and would you use it?

"....An army may also retreat via convoy to any empty, unbounced land or coastal territory connected by undislodged fleets successfully holding intervening sea territory(s)...."
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nudge (284 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
Occupy Albania
Despite having drawn, i declare myself the victor...
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
28 Jul 13 UTC
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If I post a cheating accusation will I get attention faster?
see story below
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