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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Sooo...About those GR lists.
Curious if Ghosty is gonna post something for November.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
Settings
Is anyone else having a problem editing their profile, like the quotes section and the website parts specifically? I've tried a few different times and I have gotten no error message, it just doesn't update it...
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Dosg (404 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Medium size pot WTA game
I'm looking to play a game that has reliable players for a medium size pot.
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Halistar (100 D)
14 Dec 11 UTC
Time/Phase
When making a game, does the time/phase mean time per turn, or for every phase? So if I put 1day/phase, does that mean it would take 3 days to get to Fall 1901?
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TJH82 (107 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Frozen Antarctica
I am not sure if this has been complained about before, but I think the World Diplomacy variant needs sharp criticism over one flaw that really stands out: Antarctica. Please read on...
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
14 Dec 11 UTC
thread 804297 continuation
They locked it before I could post! But that surpasses even my mod conspiracy thread a while back! Hilarious! I +1ed you!

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=804297#804297 is the thread link
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
The first thing to do to avoid future crises in the European Union is...
List your solution here.
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lastesclasnegras (0 DX)
14 Dec 11 UTC
F*** The Mods
You know what you did and you know why I'm pissed at you.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Propaganda Facts and Figures
A thread where we can all make up the most ludicrous facts and figures, as is so often the case, to support our baseless arguments.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
12 Dec 11 UTC
Survey regarding cheating accusations
This is for the people who have reported cheating accusations. Please vote only if you personally have reported a cheating accusation.
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LordVipor (566 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Banned player, just started, need replacement
Banned player, just started, game needs replacement for South Africa
24 hour, Anon, No messaging
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74198
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Jacob (2711 D)
11 Dec 11 UTC
Anatomy of a WTA Solo: Turkey Trumps France
A solo victory in Diplomacy is one of the most satisfying achievements in gaming. It takes cunning, guile, boldness, loyalty, and sometimes betrayal. So how is it done? Here is one such story...
Jacob (2711 D)
11 Dec 11 UTC
gameID=70933

Pre-Game
I found myself as Turkey in the game entitled “7 Proud Stabbers”. With a moniker like that I had to wonder what backstabbing it portended. With knife in hand, I waded into the pre-game press. As Turkey (or any country, for that matter) I do not have a set opening, but I do have preferences. My first goal is to obtain two builds, but after that I would like to limit Russia and hopefully set myself up to attack him. Austria is not much of a threat to Turkey in the early going, but that Russian fleet is a bit troublesome.

1901
As it turned out, Austria sent a quick message which basically said, “Hey let's go kill Russia!” I wrote back and said, “Perfect, let's do it!” and an alliance was born. Russia, on the other hand wrote novels detailing methods of attack and even spoke of plans for years beyond 1901. Normally I like this type of press, but in this case the Russian seemed a bit too skilled. I felt that it would be best to limit him from the start. You can't just answer novels with one word so I set about sending an equally detailed response. After several messages back and forth I felt confident that Russia would honor a dmz (which I had no intention of honoring) in BLA and might even move Mos-StP. Austria, meanwhile, had committed to supporting me into Rum in the fall. Things worked out perfectly with Russia performing a northern opening and England ready to oppose him. Austria supported me into Rum and I got my two builds. I was very pleased to destroy Russia's fleet in 1901. My only regret was that I chickened out and didn't move Smy-Arm. If I had done that I would have broken Russia right from the start.

The first year was characterized by the two NMRs from Germany and Italy. There was some discussion about canceling the game, but Italy and Germany both showed up in the global press. Italy said he would play and Germany talked about how he had a power outage and would most likely go into civil disorder. Personally, I don't have much sympathy for this type of thing. Find someone to make your moves for you until you can play again. Maybe I'm heartless, but that's how I feel. Germany did miss one more turn later, but ultimately made moves for most of the game.

1902
This was a quiet year for me. I thought I had a lock on taking Sev, but I didn't quite think through everything. Russia cut my support in Rum and I failed to take a center. In retrospect I should have seen this move coming and taken Sev from Rum. I really feel that this was a rookie mistake. The best part of this year was seeing England and France gearing up for war. I feel that I played 1902 rather poorly. The only think I did reasonably well was solidify my relationship with Austria and get him out of position to defend his own centers.

1903
Stab time! Normally I don't like to stab a strong ally this early. Usually I try not to stab my ally at all if it can be avoided. In this case though I did not want to fall behind other countries in center count and, having been thwarted by Russia, felt that I desperately needed a build. Russia had defended well and so I decided to take the centers that were within my grasp. Austria must have sensed it somehow and blocked my attack on Budapest, but even that turned out to be a blessing in disguise as Russia (sneaky devil!) attempted to move to Rum instead of defending Sev!

The Spring moves allowed me to convince Russia that I was moving against Austria and that was how I protected Rum. I still thought he might attack Rum with two or even three units so I took another shot at Sev in the Fall. I was particularly pleased with the way I handled Austria. I apologized for the stab and told him that I still wanted to work with him. I told him that I had botched it badly and wanted to make up with him. He suggested I move out of Ser and take Gre instead! I decided to take both. Nothing like kicking an ally while he's down... Net result was two more builds.

The board was shaping up nicely with Austria way out of position, Italy doing nothing, and Germany ready to implode. My biggest concern was the French move from IRI-MAO. I questioned him about it and he explained that he moved back to MAO to appease England but that he would renew the attack the next year. I feel this was a fatal error on his part. His build of a fleet in Bre revealed his true intentions anyway so all he did was lose ground without disguising his intentions in the slightest.

1904
Another slow year for me. This year was about patching things up with Russia and positioning myself to grow further. Offering Bud to Russia allowed me to protect Rum and weaken Austria further. England's incursions into Russian territory further ensured that Russia would need me as a friend. The big danger here was France's growth and outstanding position. Germany was angry that Austria and I had not agreed to cancel the game after his early missed moves and he decided to give France his centers as payback. If he couldn't win, then he wanted to make sure the rest of us paid! I don't really fault him for this and it probably would have worked if France had not made a couple more errors later.

1905
What is France doing with all those fleets? I was worried that Spa and Mar would both move into the med and so I was rather pleased when France moved Spa-MAO. Russia and I had worked things out and I helped him into Tri and took Bud. This was agreed to and so did not cause any ill will between the two of us. France's fleet build in Bre was truly mind-boggling to me. Where could it possibly go? An army would have been much more useful and would have enabled him to take over the English mainland much more quickly. Gaining the Ionian was a nice step for me. Russia didn't like my fleet build in Con, but I wanted flexibility.

1906
If Russia didn't like my fleet build in Con, he really didn't like it when I moved Con-BLA. It took me quite a while to calm him down. I had to explain to him that my moves as a whole were not anti-Russian and that I moved there in order to protect myself from him moving Sev-Arm or Sev-Rum. I pointed out the looming possibility of a French solo and told him to stop worrying. I promised to move back out of BLA (and followed through). The convoy from Alb-Apu was a bit of a coup for me. I was very pleased with it although I think I could have made somewhat better use of the army once it was there. The nice thing about the army in Apu was that it made it much easier to predict what France and Italy would do.

It was around this time that France and I began communicating more regularly and making plans for the end game. He was interested in a 2-way draw and Russia was also talking along the same lines. The communication here really helped me later on in the last few turns. Russia actually misordered in the Fall ordering Vie S Tri-Bud instead of Vie S Bud-Tri! That had me pretty worried and it slowed things down enough that I thought it might cost me a shot at a solo.

1907
My move in the previous year back out of BLA finally convinced Russia that we were a team and so we were both able to bring our units out to the French front. France was weak in the middle - only two armies in Ber and Mun with nothing to support them! This is a classic example of overvaluing fleets. While the fleets ultimately did enable France to take down England, his position was less than ideal and he was weak across the middle and in the south. I took Tri and built the army in Con. An idea was beginning to form as to how to obtain the solo.

1908
Spring: France struggles to defeat England (fleets are not as maneuverable on land...) and England supports Russia into Kie. France moves to the MAO but must realize he is a bit too late to the party in the south. At this point I propose a 2-way draw to Russia which he happily accepts and a 3-way draw to France. France is nervous about things and decides a 3-way is a nice deal.

Fall: This was a huge move! I was able to convince France to support me into Ven and Nap. On paper (in France's mind), Italy and England were supposed to die quickly and then the game would end in a French/Russian/Turkish draw. In reality this move enraged Italy and allowed me to gain a precious fleet in an advanced position. I offered survival to Italy if he would use his fleet to help me solo. Italy could see the writing on the wall and felt that survival and revenge was better than going quietly into the night.

At the same time I moved full force against Russia, taking Vie and moving into Bud and Rum. He was woefully unprepared. I tried to get France to take Kie this turn and I coached him through some moves, but he didn't agree with my assessment and so Russia still had two builds with which to try and defend.

1909
The Russian NMR in the Spring was a surprise to everyone and an unexpected boon to me. I had expected to bounce in Ukr and was pleasantly surprised to find myself there. Things were set up nicely for me to be able to ultimately obtain Sev, War, and Mos. Rom and Tun looked like easy pickings as well, but that was only 17. For the 18th center I would have to take something from France and I wasn't sure where it could come from.

I told France that we would eliminate Italy in 1909. I moved to Rom in the Spring to enhance the perception of Italian doom. In the Fall I told him that I was planning to attack Tunis and that he should defend it as that would mean a stable border between the two of us. In secret, I was plotting with Italy to move out of Rom in the Fall and have Italy move into MAO. I was also planning to advance my fleets into GoL. It worked! France's response to my moves: “You bastard. LOL”

1910
I knew I could take Mos and War and hold them although it would take an extra year. I knew I could take Tun and that Italy would take Por. I just wasn't sure if I could take Spa or Mar and hold. I decided to ask Italy for support into Spa. I sorely wished I had an army in position to convoy over to Spa. I briefly even considered convoying Ven-Spa, but I felt it was too risky. France scared me for a minute by telling me that Italy was demanding to be included in a draw and that he was going to help him draw. I responded by saying I would simply retreat to a stalemate position until France eliminated Italy. I also spoke to Italy and told him that if he tried to get into position for a draw that I would retreat to a stalemate line until he was dead. This seemed to get the desired result as Italy supported me into Spa.

In the Fall a demoralized France failed to move and I gained Mar as well giving me 18 centers and the oh-so-elusive solo victory!

Concluding Thoughts:

There were several NMRs in this game which is a less than ideal situation. It throws off the balance of the game.

I made several errors with Russia that slowed my growth down considerably. I thought a solo was out of reach for much of the game.

I think the best thing I did in this game was utilize dying minor powers to my advantage. The way I handled Austria after the stab and Italy in the end-game was the key to victory.

I should not have won, in my opinion. Russia and France made some pretty big tactical errors. France built too many fleets and had them out of position. Russia just supported his units when trying to hold out against me in the north instead of attacking my line. France did not defend well at all in the south and gave up on the last turn. I guess my errors in the early going were balanced by errors from other powers in the late game and I'm sure not going to complain about the end result!

Thanks for reading and if you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them.

-Jacob
Jacob (2711 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Posted this over at boardgamegeek. Here's the link:

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/736081/anatomy-of-a-solo-turkey-trumps-france-illustrated

I think it turned out quite nicely. I hope to drive some new players over here!
orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Dec 11 UTC
@Jacob, see PM.
spyman (424 D(G))
12 Dec 11 UTC
Jacob what do you thoughts about lying in the first move, such as asking for a DMZ and then not honoring it? Some players view this as an absolute no-go. One reason given is that it is just shitty unsportsmanlike like play, while others argue that it is a diplomatic mistake because the other players will view you as untrustworthy.

Personally I don't see how one can ever successfully open to either the black sea or the English channel without lying. Thoughts?
yebellz (729 D(G))
12 Dec 11 UTC
@spyman, whether or not lying in the first turn is a diplomatic mistake depends on how well it plays out. However, I would never consider breaking a promise to DMZ as unsporting. It's the very nature of the game!
Jacob (2711 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Spyman, I hate being lied to in Spring 1901. It makes my blood boil like almost nothing else. Because of that I very rarely pull the same stunt myself. I think if you are going to do it you need to be ready for all-out war and you need to be very confident in the third player in your triangle.

In this case I was very confiden in Austria and I had a very specific goal (destroying Russia's fleet) that I thought I could achieve. As it turns out, I think it was the right move. I do kind of wish I had opened to Armenia instead of con, but who knows, maybe Austria would not have followed through with support to rum of I had done that.
Agent K (0 DX)
12 Dec 11 UTC
@ spyman. I will divulge one of my best strategies for that scenario (at least best in my mind haha)

After writing volumes and establishing a nice friendly chat with whichever country borders the channel or Black sea, you can tell them that they are free to move somewhere else, but you just cannot risk giving up territory x (channel, black sea etc) and need to move there. you can say you are fine with a bounce but its up to them. you can tell them that even if they do let you in, you will prove yourself to them that you mean no harm and will prove it in the following turns.

boom. right there is an example of gaining territorial advantage without lying to anyone. then of course you are free to lie as much as you like
Skittles (1014 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Lying is 1901 is part of the game, of course. I just hate when people do pointless ones.

For example, as Germany, a France comes to me in 1901, asks to ally, and says "DMZ Burgundy?" and I agree. He then proceeds to move to Burgundy supported by Marseilles. Uh....you didn't want me to bounce?

dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Very interesting to read your game analysis. (France here, btw). I agree that I made some errors. You were helped by a vindictive England and Italy. Personalities sometimes make as big a difference as tactics.
Jacob (2711 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
I think that's a great point about personalities, dipplayer2004. Italy was very loyal to you in that game. Once he felt his loyalty was betrayed he became very loyal to me which I feel was a turning point in the game.

I'm curious, what do you think about my critique of your fleet builds and fleet usage? Also, I don't really understand why you didn't move on the last turn. Did you give up or did something else happen?
redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=65645#gamePanel

Second game I finished on this site. Don't believe I stabbed anyone. Didn't even agree to a two-way draw with Italy if I remember correctly. Was constantly in contact with all players, that sort of did the trick.
@spyman - you mention lying in 1901 and you got some good responses. However, in MY opinion I will never lie in 1901 and I will also prefer not to gain one of those territories. I would prefer to do the opposite of Agent K's suggestion and say I am not moving to EC but if you really want to go ahead.

Then, either the DMZ is set or the guy does it, realizes I am the best ally since I am so honest and does not attack Brest. It is simple.

I would never want to be in EC or BS in 1901 unless the oposing player is comfortable with it.
dipplayer2004 (1310 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
@Jacob, I agree that I made mistakes in my builds and tactics. And England put up a tenacious defense. Yes, I did give up. Didn't see a point in delaying the inevitable.


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LordVipor (566 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
In an Anon Game, got a global message
I'm playing in an Anon - No messages game and I got a message saying that so and so was banned, see in-game message for details.
Where can I get details?
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Danaman (1666 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Contact info
Is there an e-mail address I can use to contact one of the executives (mods?) ?
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
13 Dec 11 UTC
Anyone here play Nationstates?
It is fun. And I am wondering if any of you do? And what are your nations? Our region could use more if you want to join.
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hellalt (113 D)
10 Dec 11 UTC
WTA Non Anon Gunboat
WTA Non anon Gu
gameID=74417
101 D buy in, 24hrs/turn, starts in 3 days
let me know if you want in so that I send you the password through pm
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TheJok3r (765 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Another Question on Moves
Was running through some moves on Realpolitik. Why is a fleet in GoB allowed to support a fleet from Norway to St. Pete(NC)? The GoB fleet doesnt touch the North Coast. Is there a different reason for why this is allowed?
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Ernst_Brenner (743 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Need replacement Italy due to ban
gameID=74109

Not a bad position, about to build.
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jmeyersd (4240 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Gunboat means never having to say you're sorry-14 EOG
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
13 Dec 11 UTC
I want to play a game...
I'm bored. I need a high-quality game to liven things up.


WTA, any takers?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
13 Dec 11 UTC
Negative Dialectics
Hi,
Sorry to everyone in the Second Series of my informal gunboat games but could everyone please vote cancel? As per the discussion led by Babak and ulcabb in threadID=803223, it has been decided that all the games must be cancelled and the tournament restarted.

Sorry about this inconvenience. Thank you for your continued understanding through President Eden and Mr. Crispy's replacements.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
12 Dec 11 UTC
A stronger or weaker ally?
I've heard a few people, most recently Jacob, say that, given the choice, they would choose to ally with the player who they suspect is weaker. Which would you choose and why?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
First Drugs...Then Terror...Now We Have A War On...Christmas??? (Really???)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tks1vqfvO9I&feature=related
Jon Stewart--as usual, very funny, very on-point...10/10.
Bill O's response: "Well obviously Mr. Stewart is going to Hell..." ...0, fail.
But besides all that--does anyone here actually buy this "War on Xmas?" I mean...really? As Stewart says in the vid..."We can't win!"
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Dec 11 UTC
To Celebrate The End of the Semester...Abortions! Atheists! Heaven! OH MY!
Sorry, I just had to share this...amazing response to that assertion by the Christian fellow...
And you know, I've actually wondered about that before, what you do about aborted babies if you're Christian...Dante sticks them in Hell--albeit not to badly--but still...if you agree with the black gentleman...well...how do you justify opposing abortion on PURELY THEOLOGICAL GROUNDS (secular ethics, that's another matter.)
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
13 Dec 11 UTC
All I want for Christmas is...
my new ghostrating!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Dec 11 UTC
9 brains myths...
interesting read.

http://lifehacker.com/5867049/nine-stubborn-brain-myths-that-just-wont-die-debunked-by-science
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
A Question About US/UK TV...
Well, all my friends like Doctor who, so I've taken to watching it...and a friend told me DW was still in B&W in 1966...while Kirk was fighting that hilariously-rubber-suited Gorn in color already? On the other side of the coin...we seem to borrow some TV shows and ideas from Across the Pond...why is the BBC behind tech-wise and US TV behind "idea-wise?" (Are we...or is this just me?)
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Lowes pulls advertising from TLC's All-American Muslim
Good to know Lowes thinks a show about people merely living as families in the United States is a political lightning rod. Home Depot it is.
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solo1805 (111 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
Question about World Diplomacy.
How can a FLEET in Poland move to Ukraine?
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Invictus (240 D)
12 Dec 11 UTC
A Conspiracy I Can Get Behind
Was Russia the one behind Stuxnet?
http://the-diplomat.com/2011/12/10/was-russia-behind-stuxnet/2/?all=true
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