Read then comment? Lol, like that ever happens on this site.

SOMEBODY needs to make an effort with you yankee doodle dummies.

Another day, another reason I'm glad I'm not American.

Its a scary thing, here's hoping the judicial branch does its job. I don't see any appeals court overruling this decision, do you? Its things like this that I wish I knew more about activism.

EVERY American, liberal or conservative, should be up in arms about these kinds of laws, so why is it that they get such little attention?

Who cares. Did anyone else watch the Grammys last night?

Seriously, I can think of two possibilities why stuff like this gets so little attention:
1) The MSM thinks/knows people don't care, which means no ratings, which means no advertising, which means no money and no job; or
2) The government and the ruling class doesn't want it to get a lot of attention, and uses a large variety of encouragements and discouragements to make sure it never gets any serious coverage by the MSM.

Oh, and I can think of 3) The MSM views the NDAA's authorization of indefinite military detentions as "conspiracy theorism" and refuses to cover it because "only kooks believe in that kind of thing, it could never happen in the freest country in the world!".

It did get attention if you looked in the right places.

Politicians get a little more crazy when they don't have to be reelected, don't you think?

The American People shouldn't have to go digging to find out about a law under which they can blackbagged off the street and sent to the gulag for life without any evidence of guilt or judicial review. This should be at the top of every newscast and on the front page of every newspaper. Instead, what do we get? The Grammys, Vatican Idol, and the phony sob story about Osama bin Laden's alleged executioner having to beg at a freeway offramp are on all three of the major MSM websites. NDAA isn't mentioned on ANY of them.

I'm still waiting to hear from certain american blabberfingers frequenting this Forum.

Likely, I won't...

Reality has a way of flying in the face of all of their God bless america-spreading freedom worldwide bullshit.

I'm talking to YOU, obi-dork, Draugnar, guntotingcowardlycopmurderer et al.

What do you want to hear, mapleleaf? It's scary as hell. It's the death of freedom as we have understood it. It proves that there is *no difference* between Republicans and Democrats, since nobody is speaking out about this, which is perhaps the most important thing going on today. Budget issues pale in comparison, because if I get snatched off the street for a blog post deemed innapropriate by some government official, it really won't matter much how much in debt we are.

Bingo, krellin.

Agreed.

It is the overwhelming silence on this issue which disgusts me.

There is no excuse for it in THIS forum.

Why do I need to bring this up?

I'll chime in as well. It is scary as hell. But it has already been struck down once and I believe it will be struck down all the way to the SCOTUS who will also strike it down as a violation of due process. It's really that simple.

But thank you for bringing it up, maple. I appreciate being made aware of the shit Obamatard is trying to get through.

And I, an American, +1'd the "yankee doodle dummies" comment because maple is right, generally speaking, the US public loves to fly flags and cheer and doesn't have a clue what the shadow government they elected is going to do to them if it gets the chance.

Thank you, Draugnar.

Most of my American friends, up here, are absolutely horrified by this.

You can tell its a serious issue because Draugnar, krellin, and YJ are all in agreement.

I bet Putin thinks its a good idea though.

or should I say, maple is agreeing with draugnar, and krellin is agreeing with YJ, and all 4 agree with eachother.

Unheard of.

Here's some more good news from democracynow.org

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsALZ72nkZI

Highlights please, maple. I'm on my phone right now.

Blah, blah, blah. Pretty much sums it up. I just don't get why people are so against the US doing what their countries did (still do). Remember, the US democrac............... as he is pulled away from the computer.


Uhm, never mind that previous rant. I have seen the light, literally. It came after the water-boarding, right before the 1st class trip to Gitmo. All is well in Amerika.

I don't see why anyone should be up in arms about this unless they're a supporter of a terrorist organization. I'm a good American citizen who will never be negatively affected by this whatsoever. Yes, this is a stepping stone to some scarier laws that could be implemented in the next decade or so, but there's no need to try and stop them now. This law is very specific as to what kinds of affiliations you need to have to be affected by it, even though it may not be so specific as to the degree or lucidness of said affiliations. But believe it or not, the government is full of rational minded people who either want what's best for them or what's best for the American people. Unfortunately that balance is skewed, but that's beyond the point. If the provisions of the law are deemed to be too extreme, then it will not get passed. But because it is specific in its own manner, it will likely be deemed reasonable enough to be passed. The government will have its opportunity to over-step its bounds when they begin to implement the law. Passing it is really no big deal.

I've said what I wanted to say. Carry on, all of you agreeing with each other.

Oh, and so far, the Democrats [Obama] have shown a desire for this war to be over. It's sort of dying out, and I don't think it will be a major concern by the end of the decade (unless, of course, there's some unpredictable event that fires up international Muslim patriotism). But regardless, I'd like to emphasize that this is designed to help you and will hardly affect most people. I find it more shocking that you would all be so upset that a government which gave you most of what you have and has set up provisions for the rights you possess, might take a little bit away in the interest of national security. It may be hard to view it as 'taking one for the team,' but the government really isn't out to get you.

The government gave me most of what I have and set up provisions for the rights I possess? Man. If that describes your situation, no wonder your outlook seems crazy most of the time to most people.

<gavel gavel gavel...> ORDER!! The Council of three, Draug, YJ and krellin have called for order!!! We three maniacs, having come to consensus, do declare this scary as hell.

Draug - i disagree with your earlier (kind of) dismissal of this because it was struck down. it isn't about it being struck down...for the second time, as you point out...it is that we have a President that willfully violates the Constitution, and a Congress that does his bidding without question or comment. and on the rare and off-chance that Congress doesn't do what he wants, he simply issues an executive order (maybe...if he's in the mood) and does whatever the hell he wants anyway.

We are living in a age of a (possibly)-benevolent tyrant.

KA:

obvious troll is obvious. I can tell because when you are serious you are merely obnoxious to all concerned. When you troll you put sufficient thought in to your statement that it would be accepted by an idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7MBxpJUrI

Michael Moore and Chris Hedges on challenging NDAA. If you hate Moore and his non-stop self promotion, then advance to 8:40ish for Hedges. I'd watch it all though...

Please WATCH, then comment.

Hey OBI.

Attempt to ELEVATE your thinking.

READ, then WATCH, then comment.

Nothing yet. The "boy" is shy. Somebody encourage it.

No obi; no gunfighter.

tsk tsk.

cowards....

No comments? Too busy cleaning and oiling your guns perhaps. You americans and your imperialist, school-children murdering, head-in-the-sand, ignorant ways...

I actually agree with mapleleaf? What is this madness?

bump.

"What's wrong with you, mapleleaf? I remember when you used to take on Sicarius et al in this Forum and now you're just a troll. Why can't you post anything of substance anymore?"

THIS is the reason why.

You stupid shits have not ascended to my intellectual level and, likely, never will.

I post serious information about the PRESIDENT being SUED by internationally acclaimed leading intellectuals, and it gets ignored in favour of obi's STAR TREK rants.

Stupid cunts; most of you.

re-bump.

again...

you all suck, and not in an "I'd put the moves on if I was not married" kind of sucking either...

What do you really expect people to discuss? I mean how many of us really look at that and go: "gosh I hope the president wins" All have to say is if he does win I hope that Canada doesn't do the whole stray puppy policy thing and follow the USA home on this one.

One would assume that you Americans would have SOME interest. More so than in, say, the Academy Awards...

Not American. But... I don't think its a problem with interest. Its a problem with discussion. Namely there being a lack of things to discuss.

Anyway. I'm giving up on this. You'll think whatever you want to think mapleleaf, so there is little reason for trying to explain why I think this received little interest.