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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
14 Mar 12 UTC
The Masters
We need subs! (again!)
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
16 Mar 12 UTC
6 more please, Non-Live World Map
6 more for a non-live world map, looks fun, come join:

gameID=83153
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dubmdell (556 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Pacifist varient
I'm looking to start a game of the pacifist varient, on the honor system of course.
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NikeFlash (140 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
Pacifist Variant
Lets decide on fool-proof rules so Draug and nefarious people like him cannot ruin another pacifism game.
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brainbomb (290 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Comeback kids
What is the largest deficit ever overcome by a person playing diplomacy. have you ever seen someone with 1 come back to defeat someone with 5 for example.
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Boner (100 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
Forsaken game?
Can someone please explain to me, what is that thing about? gameID=29301
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irrogical (90 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
How to unpause a game when a player goes absent?
Can a moderator please help me?
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dubmdell (556 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
EOG Pacifist Variant
Please post your EOGs here, when you have time. gameID=82542
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BALLS DEEP (0 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
Stereotypical foreign accents - public press
lots of fun. only 5 D buy-in, anon, WTA, public press.

password is my username, exactly as you see it.
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krellin (80 DX)
13 Mar 12 UTC
Bought my wife....
OK...trying to spark things up....you know...wink wink...
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
15 Mar 12 UTC
Goldman Sachs.......... or Sold hang Scam
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17366552

Famously, chief executive Lloyd Blankfein once told the Sunday Times that banks were "doing God's work"
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 12 UTC
Happy Pi Day & My WebDip Birthday
I'm a bit of a nerd.
Even the day that I joined was meaningful. Kinda.
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NikeFlash (140 D)
15 Mar 12 UTC
King Atom
Who likes his +1 trolling?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Friendly banter that focuses on volatile political issues.
Who else enjoys a bit of this? I have a black friend and we joke about race all the time. I can't help from calling my boyfriend a dirty queer. So...who else enjoys friendly banter that focuses on volatile political issues? Share with us!
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Happy Pi Day everyone
what kind of pie is everyone eating today?

post your answer below
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bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
What is natural?
There have been some arguments and discussions in the forum about what is and what is not natural, particularly in the case of filial cannibalism instincts in human beings and animals. Can we find a consensus on what 'natural' constitutes or can we not escape the fact that 'natural' is in part a socially-constructed concept?

Is, for example, homosexuality any less natural than masturbation?
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NikeFlash (140 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Good tactics, or bad sportsmanship?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/crazy-stall-tactics-leave-oregon-girls-basketball-title-161914113.html
Do you believe that this was a good strategy?
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bolshoi (0 DX)
15 Mar 12 UTC
What is natural - Second attempt
There have been some arguments and discussions in the forum about what is and what is not natural, particularly in the case of FILIAL CANIBALISTIC instincts in human beings and animals. Can we find a consensus on what 'natural' constitutes or can we not escape the fact that 'natural' is in part a socially-constructed concept?

Is, for example, filial cannibalism any less natural than homosexuality?
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JimTheGrey (968 D(S))
14 Mar 12 UTC
Chicago-Area Tournament
Chicago's Diplomacy club is hosting its sixth annual CODCon Open Diplomacy tournament April 21-22 at the College of Dupage in Glen Ellyn. We'd love to have you join us!
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fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Friendly advice from the mods
A quick message on how to write an email to us about cheating inside.
Please wait until my post, try to stay on topic, and don't troll my thread.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
The majority of our requests are to look for multi and meta.
If you want it to go smoothly, please do the following:
- Have a reason for the accusation other than you are getting trounced by an alliance.
- I want a full explanation of that reasoning.
- I want the full link to the game, and the full link to each user account; unless it is anon, of course, in which case I need the country names.
- YOUR user id and name.
- Understand that we will be checking on you, too (you'll be surprised at the amount of multi's that ask us to check on others to throw us off)
- Understand that we do this on our own time and sometimes it'll take a while to get to
- That can mean it'll be in our queue until the game is over
- If you are in a live game, it'll almost certainly be after the game is over (please no "IT'S A LIVE GAME, NEED CHECKED ASAP!!" It no one is in the mailbox checking things, it won't be attended to)

I keep getting emails with just names of people and that's it. That requires me to look up their profiles individually, then check to see if they are in games together... it just takes a lot of extra time. If you guys do some initial work into it, what we'll see is that:
A.) We won't be getting every request, because people will see that it isn't as bad as their emotions have brought them to believe.
B.) The mods don't have to to so much legwork and can get to the cases faster.

Thanks.

Lemmie know any questions, and remember not to give out the mod password. Please people people to Help->Rules of WebDiplomacy so they can go through the rules before finding the email for us.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
I should also note (and Geofram has mentioned this before in a thread): Check the email address to your profile and REPLY TO THE EMAIL FROM THE MODS IF YOU GET ONE!
We are going to start waiting 24 hours for a reply and if we get none, assume the worst. I can't stand getting replies from bans "oh, I didn't know I signed up with this email address" crap. We don't ignore cases and forget them. We assume the worst when we are done waiting for a reply.
bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
i don't think i would check the email address i signed up with. why not send a message in this website? or do you do that anyway?
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 12 UTC
This is an excellent post. May I ask for a modification or clarification?
I check my email several times a day, so the 24 hours thing is not an issue for me.
I think it should be 36-48 hours however. People do have lives, not me, but other people.
TheJok3r (765 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
I was thinking along the same lines as zultar in regards to the allotted time to respond before the worst is assumed. 24 hours seems incredibly short. And was also thinking 36-48 was suitable.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@bol

No. We don't typically message you on-site. The reason being we like one centralized location (gmail) for all mod business.

@zul

I prefer to wait 48 hours, which I think is more than enough time.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Agreed with the 48h thing. And I also think it would be a good idea to send the PMs to people who are accused of cheating. It could be as simple as "Hi, please check your email, grtz mod team".
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@red

No, we don't do that for 2 reasons:

1) We sometimes deal with cases with 10+ multi accounts at a time. I'm not PMing every account.

2) Once you send someone a PM, it's almost impossible to get them to stop talking to you over PM. I know you'll say "Just tell them to email you." It doesn't work. I've tried a number of times and it always ends in a long fight over PM.
bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
how is email more centralized than in-game messaging? you could have an account called mod or something that sent out the messages. so that's not really an excuse. but ok, i guess you'll do what you want. when i get to teh site and can't login because i'm banned i'll know what happened.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@redhouse: Why would anyone check WebDiplomacy.net over their email address anyway? Surely that kind of behaviour would grant the mods to think the worst because of the nature of the issue at hand in the cases they most often explore.

Also, I agree with the 48 hour wait time - 24 hours is a bit Jack Bauerish.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
Honestly, checking your email requires zero effort. Either use your main account or forward your diplomacy account to your main account. I don't care which. This is 2012, not checking your email is not an excuse.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@bol

Oh, so now you want me to have to log off my account every time I need to mod *and* you want us to share the same mod account so there's no accountability for who did what?
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
"This is 2012, not checking your email is not an excuse."

+1
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Mar 12 UTC
Yeah in game messaging would be a lot easier to deal with than via email.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@abge

You're the boss here, it's as simple as that. If you say "check your email" by PM, then that should be the end of the discussion. If the discussion persists, you're not dealing with someone worth discussing with. But I can feel with the people who signed up with an email address they don't bother to check anymore and perhaps even expired (such as my uni address, which I don't use here).
bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@abbey wait, so you want accountability on which mod did what? then send a message directly to the user. accountability to whom? to the other mods? you still have to login to this gmail account, so i'm not really sure what the difference is.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
"If you say 'check your email' by PM, then that should be the end of the discussion. If the discussion persists, you're not dealing with someone worth discussing with."

Wow, redhouse. Against gay people looking after children AND against freedom of speech? Wow.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Mar 12 UTC
I'm not saying you should change it, as I understand your reasons for not doing so, but you can't deny it would be easier for the community to not have to deal with email as well.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
"You're the boss here, it's as simple as that."

Yes, and we're telling you that email is how we're going to contact you.

It's not just the back-and-forth over PM. It's that I don't want my PM filled with a munch of mod spam. If I used my PM for mod business, I would constantly lose personal PMs. I don't think you guys understand how many cases we handle in a day.
bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
anyway i agree with redhouse, i don't care if these are the rules or if they result in me getting banned more easily. i just think they're a bit strange. but it's not a big deal to me.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 12 UTC
"You're the boss here, it's as simple as that. If you say "check your email" by PM, then that should be the end of the discussion. If the discussion persists, you're not dealing with someone worth discussing with."
I disagree with this draconian authoritarian attitude. That's not how abge works nor should it be. I like how the mods here are not a bunch of tight asses. We discuss and we compromise. It's diplomacy. And I'm France. So Red, you crappy Austrian emperor, please be quiet or we will roll over you by 02.
But yeah, use your email.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
14 Mar 12 UTC
bolshoi another good way to ensure you don't get banned is to not act like a giant flaming douche all the time. I'm just saying....
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@Sarg thank you for finding me evidence where I am "against gay people" and then posting it in a separate thread lol.
I'm not against free speech at all, I'm just saying that the mods can restrict the discussion on cheating to email if they want. They're not obliged to persist in every PM-discussion as abge suggested in his post that started with "@ red".
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
I -knew- I should have qualified the 24 hour thing.

Relax, guys. If you are a known player, especially in the forum, or have been on a long time or haven't been accused or emailed before, we're going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
If you are someone we've dealt with a few times before, are brand new and already in trouble, or something along those lines: you're on a short leash and will give 24-48 hours.

@bolshoi: If the moderation system was entirely in-game, it'd be much easier to communicate in game but it isn't. I find that most people miss a pm (especially those that play multiple games) than miss an email, anyways.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@YJ

The difference is that a member will be inconvenienced probably once by email. Mods are inconvenienced every day by mod business.

@bol

I'm sorry you don't understand, but given our past interactions, I suspect you don't actually care and are just looking to waste my time. This conversation is considered resolved.
bolshoi (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
how many cases you handle a day? but cheating accusers, you can force all of them to email you. the only question is for people who are suspected of cheating. those are the ones who might miss the email.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 12 UTC
"I'm sorry you don't understand, but given our past interactions, I suspect you don't actually care and are just looking to waste my time. This conversation is considered resolved."
I think we should all use this quote from here on out when we are dealing with bullshoi.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@abge sure I'm cool with that. I signed up with an email address I check daily. For me it's no problem, but I just say I can imagine that for some it is.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
There ARE a lot of things that would make life easier for the mods in game, but coding work is done for you guys and in game. We are willing to do stuff the long and hard way so the game improves instead of our tools that you don't get to benefit from. Email is just something we've always used and will continue to use. The only way I'd be ok with mod PMs is if they came from one mod account, stands out to all players, and isn't sent back to my personal account. This isn't in place so it won't happen.

Also, I did ask to not troll in my post, sarg. If you have personal issues with someone, make your own thread, k?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@red

We do everything we can to contact a player before banning them. Sometimes, I even post in the forum demanding that they contact me. But, that isn't to be expected and I'd like to phase those policies out because they're incredibly inefficient and unprofessional. We do our best to only bad people who have cheated, but if someone can't be bothered to make 1 settings change in gmail so we can contact them, I really don't know how to help them.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
By the way, just to specify my rebellious opinion; I'm not saying that the issue of cheating should be resolved, just the issue of not checking one's email within 24/48 hrs.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
I wasn't trolling. I think the freedom of speech issue is key here - as others, inlcuding zultar, have mentioned.

Redhouse's comment implied that Abgemacht should slap people down like Stalin. I think most people appreciate that he doesn't do that and I stand by my comments on the mod's relationship to freedom of speech.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@bolshoi: "how many cases you handle a day? but cheating accusers, you can force all of them to email you. the only question is for people who are suspected of cheating. those are the ones who might miss the email."

I want you to keep track of 10 cases a day: that's at least 20 separate people to PM... but probably closer to 30. Keep them straight and don't forget to keep in mind how long you've waited without a reply to some of them. Btw - the NEXT day you have 10 more cases... then the day after that.
Gmail gives us the ability to group everything into one discussion, keep track of timing, flag them for different mods, flag them in importance... things built in that the PM system here doesn't have.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Besides, my comment was light-hearted. Redhouse is right, gay people shouldn't look after children, there are way too many cool parties and parades for them to go to. (And yes, I'm done with that line of discussion,)
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Haha lol freedom of speech doesn't oblige webdiplomacy.net or abge's personal PM system to be the vehicle for it. I can't go inside your house and give a speech there under "freedom of speech".
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
You are right, sarg... but bringing in the "first you think gays shouldn't..." crap, you turned a valid point into a stupid troll. Personal attacks are completely unnecessary if you want to bring up a valid point. All it does is ruin the point you are trying to make.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
" I can't go inside your house and give a speech there under "freedom of speech"."

Yes, you can.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
lol. It would probably be about the right for gay people to have children if I did.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
"You are right, sarg... but bringing in the "first you think gays shouldn't..." crap, you turned a valid point into a stupid troll. Personal attacks are completely unnecessary if you want to bring up a valid point. All it does is ruin the point you are trying to make."

It wasn't a personal attack, it was light-hearted banter between me and redhouse. I agree with you on trolling but that wasn't what I'm doing. Humour and trolling are different things. Stamping out humour and friendly banter is right back on the track of the Stalins and Putins of this world.
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
OK, it wasn't a troll, especially compared to the next line, but it was raising the noise to signal ratio in this thread and I'm not a fan of noise.

Can you two take your 'freedom of speech on a private server' elsewhere (we've already done it a dozen times, but if you want to start another, please do)? And start another thread for your 'friendly banter that focuses on volatile political issues' to another? Seriously, like 4 new threads instead of this one?
I want people to bring up valid points and let us answer instead of jumping on each other.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
As it turns out, the best way to stop trolls is to just stop address it, so let's start doing that ok?

Back tot he topic at hand:

I agree that 48hrs is better than 24, but after that it gets ridiculous. Furthermore, don't *expect* 48hrs everytime, because there are instances where we handle things quickly and waiting an extra day creates needless confusion and extra work.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@FK (and agb)

I assume by "Lemmie know any questions, and remember not to give out the mod password." you meant mod email.

And if that is the official preference of the mod team, which I personally agree with not that it matters, then it might be worth stressing a bit more.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@mods - This may be 2012, but some people use work email and don't have access to it on the weekends. Remember, this is a global community and some places in the world don't have broadband in every household, or even dialup, so those people may do their webdip business from their place of business. Just playing devil's advocate, mind you, as I have my own domain and email hosting to my phone, business laptop, and gaming laptop. But there are people who, if sent an email Friday at 5 local time, might not see it until Monday at 8 local time.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
"I assume by "Lemmie know any questions, and remember not to give out the mod password." you meant mod email."

I have no idea what FK meant by this.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
@Draug

Then those people probably shouldn't cheat. : )

Really, I don't know what else to say. If we waited 3 days for people to reply to every email, investigations would take weeks.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
I assume he meant email and for those of us who like to point the noobs to an appropriate place to post their concerns, that we shouldn't directly link the mod email address, but instead point them to the site rules page. Of course, if this were in the header of the forum somewhere, we could just refer them to "see above" or some such.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
@abge - I understand and 48 hours is a fair compromise. But not all who you contact are necessarily cheaters. Even you all run on "innocent until proven guilty or failing to show for their hearing". :-)
fortknox (2059 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Remember not to give out the mod email is what I meant. In other words, point people to the rules instead of just giving out the email.


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redhouse1938 (429 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
A shrine...
to comebacks. I love a good comeback. I'm going out for dinner. When I come back, I want to see everybody celebrating their comebacks (PS this game has already been EoGed): http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75398#gamePanel
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
The best way to stop trolls is to stop addressing them, so let's start doing that ok?
All in favour?
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gryncat (2606 D)
14 Mar 12 UTC
36 hour turn game, ppsc
Looking for advanced to intermediate players for a (relatively) quick game. PM me for password.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
NigeeBaby...
Santa baby, slip a sleigh bell under the tree, for me
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
14 Mar 12 UTC
Freedom of speech on a private server
I realise this has probably been discussed before, probably a dozen times, but as it has been an issue brought up in a number of threads recently, I thought I'd create one where people could discuss and put their thoughts on the issue into a centered discussion. Are there limitations to freedom of speech on a private server? I certainly enjoy the extent to which we have freedom of speech on this private server. What does everyone else think?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Mar 12 UTC
House Barbers profit, Senate Barbers bailed out
Cut above the rest House’s private barbershop turned a profit while Senate’s service needed a bailout BY MARK STRICHERZ MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 2012. http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/02/27/022712-news-house-barbershop-1-3/
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Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Mar 12 UTC
So I'm thinking about getting more fuel efficient in life...
I only have a 5 mile drive to work and plenty of sub 45 MPH backroads. So I've been thinking about a "scooter" type vehicle like a Vespa or a Honda PCX or Silverwing... Any suggestions on what I should look at? Oh, and up to 10K or 11K is permissible so low end cruiser motorcycles work if they have some storage for a laptop bag.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
Another batch of meta-gamers........help !!
How often do you have to put up with 3 or 4 idiots teaming up to work together and dominate all the games they play in, does anybody else care or is it just normal?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
14 Mar 12 UTC
This is what I don't get ....... amongst other things
How can only one player in a game get banned for being a multi. Surely to make it effective your multi accounts have to play in the same game. The aptly named 'Notacheater' was banned as a multi after taking place in one game but no-one else in that game was banned, how does that work?
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vexlord (231 D)
13 Mar 12 UTC
Because you begged for it
Its finally here, that over 100 point ancient med game you've been waiting for
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=83112
107 D anon PPSC, Make your ancient dreams come true
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