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KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Help! Tips on Starting?
Tomorrow at school we are playing diplomacy as a class(not webdiplomacy, actual diplomacy) and everyone thinks that because I play webdiplomacy, that I am a big threat. Although I have made alliances, I do not know who will actually live up to that and I'm afraid that if I get targeted by everyone, I will lose and then I'll get a C for the grade. I'm playing as Austria-Hungry so does anyone have any tips on how I should start out?
Octavious (2701 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Throw a sickie
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
I'd suggest do you best to create animosity between Turkey and Russia, and foster a good relationship with Italy, by suggesting that in case a juggernaut forms the two of you should stick together.

Though often when T/R are fighting Austria becomes a causality as Italy just goes for austria. So well trying to keep a juggernaut from forming is good, a juggernaut forming and you having italy on your side is better.
The Situation (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
F Trieste - Albania
A Vienna - Trieste
A Budapest - Serbia
This is a fairly standard Austrian opening. Talk to everyone. Establish friendly relations. Turkey and Italy are very important.
Disclaimer: I am not, by any means, experienced or professional. I merely offer what I know.
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Really? Your grade is based on where you end up? That's fucked up, dude!
You're actually graded by how well you do? That seems pretty shitty. Especially since you're going to be metagamed into defeat, from the sounds of it.

Open with the Southern Hedgehog, tell Italy and Russia exactly what you're doing, get Germany onside and do what damian said.
*Southern Hedgehog:
Tri - Ven
Vie - Gal
Bud - Ser

for reference
Yeah, its either that or you suggest the Lepanto, and try to get Russia to open north. If they're new to the game as you suggest, you can probably convince Russia to do a northern or western opening.
The Situation (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
It seems, from the way you introduced your problem, that your classmates aren't experienced diplomacy players. I'd imagine that they would not be familiar with "Juggernaut".
but definitely tell people your moves and earn their trust!
@TS: They might not be familiar with the term itself, or the potency of the alliance, but they'll see Russia and Turkey with pretty big borders next to a reputable Austrian, see all the shiny dots and say "Wanna split it?"
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
If you are concerned about a possible attack from Italy. Do not do what The Situation proposed. While a very common Austrian opening it requires a good deal of trust in italy. Trust I imagine you don't have. I'd suggest you arrange bounce in Gal with Russia unless you can convince him to go north or west, See if Turkey would want you to help him into Rum.

As Austria you are in bleh spot so try and be everyones friend. Helpful and easy to talk to.

And put your fingers in everything try to make sure the board is playing out right. An english or German attack on Russia is stellar.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
I have to agree with Draugnar and President Eden here. To actually grade students by making them play F-T-F diplomacy and give them a grade based on the results of the game is *absurd*. If that's actually the case, you should refuse to participate in the game, demand that the exercise be halted completely, and make an official complaint to the school authorities (the principal, the chair of governors, or whoever the appropriate person is) that your teacher is awarding grades in a bizzare and arbitrary fashion which is not in keeping with proper educational standards.
The Situation (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Ahh, listen to damian and PE. I'm not experienced enough to know what works and what doesn't.
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Mar 11 UTC
What class is it for? If debate, the teacher is seriously mistaken if he thinks diplomatic arguments are formal debates.
KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
It's for social studies and we just finished learning about WWI. I think that it is stupid that we get graded on what place we finish but it would make me look bad if I complain and I already am in an alliance with Italy and Turkey and France is an iffy. Russia I know for sure is going to attack me and almost every group has one person who plays, but none of them are as experienced as I am(at least not that I know of)
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Okay so if Russia is going to attack you for sure. See if You can't spend a bunch of time on Turkey. Offer Rum, and a shot a Sev.
Make sure to Cover Galicia. While you could also go for Rum first turn it encourages Turkey to go for Serbia which is generally a bad idea.

If you think you can trust Italy then the move to Alb is fine. If you don't think so then just keep Trieste where it is. Or see if Italy would be alright with you moving to Ven, since if he's standing still it won't inconvenience him at all.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
@KPopRoxMySox: Grading you in this way is beyond ridiculous. First and foremost you have my sympathies. It can't be fun to have to try to squeeze the benefits of an education out of such an incompetent teacher.

I understand your reluctance to stick your neck out and formally complain. Perhaps you could consider making an anonymous complaint?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
03 Mar 11 UTC
If everyone decides to gang up on you, it isn't too late. One of your neighbors can take your side by surprise and you and he make huge gains on the other. He'll be "working" with the others for your quick demise but instead tell you what they plan so you both can counter it and make gains on them.

And the other reason for a neighbor to do so is the simple fact that you have a lot of experience and a large target on your back. That makes you dependent on him which puts him in a position of power, while having access to a valuable resource (your experience.)

Good luck!
WhiteSammy (132 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
my european history class my junior year had us play dip and we got bonus points based on how we finished. Not as bad as an actual grade but still a shitty deal if you lane italy or austria.
Frank (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
President Eden is correct; if you are worried about hostile neighbours and just want to focus on surviving the first couple of years in decent shape (and a school game wont lost longer than a few years), the southern hedgehog is definitely your best bet. Just make sure you tell italy that you are poking venice. If he is willing to work with you, he won't mind; it doesn't make a difference. If he is planning on attack you, the poke to venice cripples the standard northern attack
KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
i don't understand how to do this southern hedgehog thing
The Situation (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
F Trieste - Venice
A Budapest - Serbia
A Vienna - Galicia
This is, apparently, a very defensive move. It is meant to bounce Russia out of Galicia and prevent him from moving offensively against you.

A common Italian move is:
A Venice - Tyrolia/Trieste
A Roma - Venice
Your attack Trieste will either split Italian armies so they can't support each other into Trieste, or simply stop the attack completely. Generally, you want to let Italy know that you will order Trieste into Venice so that he doesn't take it as a declaration of war or something
The army moving to Serbia is to give you a build.
As you mentioned an alliance with Italy and Turkey, I suggest taking Albania with your fleet in Trieste, and then support yourself into Greece (This is advice I found reading diplomacy articles).
tj218 (713 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
As a teacher....I would lose my job if I did something like this.


KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
i understand moving into sebia and galicia, but how does moving into venice help?
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
It would leave italy in Tyr/Rom if he tried to attack you. I however thing it's a terrible opening particularly when you fail to discuss it with your allies.

I have an example of why but I can't show you since I would be too tempted to reveal details, and it's a league game
woofers (100 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
if Italy is against you he will likely move to Tyrolia and Venice... if you bounce him in Venice his armies will be split and can't invade you with support

if Italy is with you then you tell him your doing it and why
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Mar 11 UTC
If Italy moves as suggested, it keeps hin out of Ven by bouncibg thereby splitting up his armies. If Italy tries to move to Tri, you bounce and neither has the fall advantage over the other.
KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
but i don't know why i'm doing it
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
It prevents an Italian stab. It is a crappy opening though. Here is why.

gameID=49618

You piss off everyone.

Won't comment further on this game.
They just explained "why." The presumption is that Italy is not trustworthy. If Italy is trustworthy, there's no need to sacrifice Greece. You had originally suggested that you were unsure about Italy, hence the presumption and subsequent proposal of the Southern Hedgehog.
KPopRoxMySox (131 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
oh..... i thought i said france wasn't....but im pretty sure they on my side now...so should i do two of the three southern hedgehog and then take greece?
@damian: Without commenting too much, I feel like Italy completely changing course was the consequence of either (a) Austria not telling Italy in advance, or (b) Italy getting absurdly, irrationally angry over it, or (c) that the object was to attack Austria anyway. If (a), that's Austria's fault and Austria should know to tell Italy -- it's always good to tell Italy about this opening; if (b), there's not much you can do about it, but I feel like an Italy that was genuinely after France would have just convoyed to Tunisia and continued the attack instead of switching; and if (c), well, better he attacks you from Pie/Rom than Pie/Ven!

The Hedgehog DOES have its flaws, certainly. The fact that it angers people and encourages a 3-way alliance against Austria shouldn't be (and I dare say isn't) one of them.

I'd love to see the AI press in that one. I have a feeling Austria didn't do his homework.
Uh... the Hedgehog series of Austrian openings is based on the move F Tri -> Ven. If you're sure about Italy, you would move to Albania from Trieste, Serbia from Budapest and Galicia from Vienna. That's the Galician variation of the Balkan Gambit.

(If you're REALLY sure about Turkey, you might even support yourself into Galicia.)
Rancher (1652 D(S))
03 Mar 11 UTC
A Vie-Tri, A Bud-Ser, F Tri-Alb if you are confident of Italy not going to Tyrolia with a back up to Venice .... this move works quite often and usually gets Austria 2 first year builds as you can support Alb into Greece
damian (675 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Not going to comment further on that game in the forum. Just wanted to point out how badly it can fail.

Come back post game and I might discuss it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Mar 11 UTC
If you feel you can trust Italy, Tri-Alb can be done. But you should always nove to Gal if you feel at all questionable about Russia.
uclabb (589 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
As long as Italy is with you, you are fine with strong tactics. I would focus on being clear to Italy about how and when he/she will be getting gains down the road. Also, if Russia is blindly hostile, support yourself to Galicia and tell Germany you will support them to Warsaw in the fall. Definitely worth it.
trip (696 D(B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
Talk to all the other players and get them to vote for a draw during the pregame. That should put pressure on the teacher.
☺ (1304 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Do a barrel roll.
trip (696 D(B))
03 Mar 11 UTC
Barrel rolls are dangerous and should not be attempted by novices.
Benibo (727 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
If you are sure about Italy being your friend, and you like adrenaline, send him this link.
http://devel.diplom.org/Zine/S2001M/Livnat/Orient.html
Meet him secretly and explain every detail of it.
Force him to do it. Persuade him that you are such a great player that if he works with you, you are both guaranteed a 1st and 2nd place (as if such thing existed).
Turkey will be pissed.
Shusaku (230 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Aouch... Austria Hungary when no one trusts you. It's gonna be fun. As Austria Hungary, create wars. First, tell Italy your country is a no go, you're just gonna be fighting without ever winning and, so, he should go west. Then, warn France of a potential Italian attack. Suggest Turkey to make an alliance against Russia, meanwhile, inform Russia that Turkey's gonna attack. Then you can go on with ENG-FRA, FRA-GER, ENG-GER.

The main key is to keep them guessing. If they are worried about everything, will they think of attacking you? After the first year, go against either TUR-RUS or ITA (the one that likes you the less). Then, finish him off, go to the person that likes you the less, etc.

You should do okay following this technique.

Btw, what a sick teacher you have! :D
Benibo (727 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Good way: Officially complain as someone said.
Bad way: Offer money to other players to go with a metagaming unbreakable alliance and then draw after killing the rest. Nice choice: Germany and Italy.


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Stripy (2759 D)
03 Mar 11 UTC
Earthquake
To er "celebrate" the fact I've suddenly got lots of spare time after having my business wiped out by an earthquake for the second time in 6 months I've started a new game. It's 101 point buy in and anon. The location is:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52198
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Curious_George (134 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Why is the game not progressing?
I am in a game, and all the players show up with the green 'ready' tick, but the deadline ticker is still counting down. Is this normal?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
02 Mar 11 UTC
New Game....
Dr. Seuss Birthday Game!
5 minutes /phase (live) Ante: 35 - Spring, 1901,
No in-game messaging, Anonymous players, Winner-takes-all
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Anyone Need A Tutor? (Or Know Someone That Does? Or A Good Tutoring Site?)
I don't want to, but as the only thing I can do REALLY well is literature and theatre and philosophy and all that jazz, I'm trying to get a tutoring job now, along with applying to all the regular places, retail and restaurants and all that...trying to find some folks in my school, but I need to get going, and I could care less if it's online, if that be the preference...so does anyone know someone who needs an English tutor, or else know a site that's hiring (or anything?)
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
02 Mar 11 UTC
quickie game
just having a little fun here while being bored in class...join join join!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52158
2 minutes left!!!
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terry32smith (0 DX)
27 Feb 11 UTC
Moderators please look at this!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=51778#gamePanel
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fortis fortis magna (0 DX)
02 Mar 11 UTC
help please
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=52152

1 people come
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Calmon (674 D)
02 Mar 11 UTC
Statistics of Winning Nations from all Finished Games
Because I don't know all hidden places on this website -took ages until I found the rankinglist- I just want to know:
Are there statistics of winning nations from all finished games? It would be really interested to look into, maybe filtered by gunboat, normal, etc.
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
02 Mar 11 UTC
New threaaadddsss
hey hey hey. I see you. Yes you, aimlessly looking around on diplomacy trying to find a good game to join...well let me tell ya ladies and gents, if you wana play a quick game :) 5 min phase with only 7 minutes to join...well...this is your game...winner takes all!!! (not like the pot is big, we're not here to get rich just have fun and die trying) so if you're bored...got some time on the hands...well

gameID=52143 is the place to be
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
27 Feb 11 UTC
Draugnar/Iceray0
Making a match to play with Draugnar, a few of you have received invites as it is but I'm looking to add more that want to play with the two of us. Password protected game, pm for invite to the game, invites are given at my discretion.
29 replies
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Do points = Clout?
Just a topic i was curious about. Since my return here to the site it seems that since i have over 100 D that my allies are more easily won by show of total games played/won/return on investment rather than the actual diplomacy aspect. I know that we are a easily persuaded race but what are your thoughts on the matter?
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
27 Feb 11 UTC
The Second Metagames sign up thread
The first Metagame series just ended, and congrats to LanGaidin for winning it.

This is the sign up thread for the new one.
45 replies
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Shusaku (230 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Clock problems...
Hi guys, I don't know how it happened, but my clock somehow got delayed. I mean, in the game window, you see a timer before the next phase. Well... mine is 5 minutes BEFORE the real time. It's pretty annoying for the live games...
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SacredDigits (102 D)
28 Feb 11 UTC
Possible account sitting needed
Hello.

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met (100 D)
28 Feb 11 UTC
game disappeared
my nick met had a game practically won until saturday 26. Now i can't find it even in finisched or active game. WHat could it be? eropean crisis was the game.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
01 Mar 11 UTC
Refresh Page during Live Games !!!
Refresh Page during Live Games !!! (please, read on)
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Curious_George (134 D)
27 Feb 11 UTC
Newbie question on Ready and players who aren't there
I am in my first game, and we have a player who signed up but is not making any orders. So every time we all hit Ready we have to wait fot the full time. Is there a way to get rid of the player so we can go more quickly? And why do people sign up if they do not want to play?

Sorry if this is a silly question - I also could not find a way to search the forum to see if someone else had posted on the same thing. Is there a way I can do that?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
28 Feb 11 UTC
When starting a forum post
Please prewrite 1st message like you're supposed to!
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gigantor (404 D)
28 Feb 11 UTC
Shameless, hopeless bragging.
So I know it's not really special, but I just played my first successful juggernaught (i.e., lasts longer than 1901) and what's more, it was in a gunboat. Those of you who have played against me know I am pretty average - and you can see that from this game, too - but I'm happy with this and had to let my pride out somewhere. gameID=51955 :)
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Feb 11 UTC
This Time On Philosophy Weekly: The Root Of All Action (Evil? Obi Has A Theory!)
Well, I didn't want to do three faith/religion-centric Philosophy threads in a row, for those who are tired of it, take this one any way you want--is there a root of all human action, and if so, what is it, and what does this mean for ethics and morality in general? Is there a universal root, and thus a universal morality? Well, I don't know about MORALITY, but I DO ahve an idea as to the root...perhaps not an original idea, but anyway...
22 replies
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
14 Feb 11 UTC
Musical Chairs Variant Alpha Test
Game Link: gameID=48782
Game Rules: See inside
Thread Rules: Also inside
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
28 Feb 11 UTC
going live in 10
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
28 Feb 11 UTC
5 min live game starting in 5
hey, tryna get a quickie here :P bored and have a couple hours before I'm off to bed!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=51928
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
27 Feb 11 UTC
Chess tips
Give chess tips to an interested novice. Define terms you can think of as well, please. I know many of you must be good at chess, it seems to go hand in hand with diplo. Fire away.
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Dan Wang (1194 D)
26 Feb 11 UTC
Convey through Balaeres in Ancient Med?
From http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/a/ancient_med.htm (the supposedly official variant site): "Since Baleares consists mostly of water, it is considered a sea space for the purposes of convoys, therefore a fleet occupying Baleares may be used to convoy an army using the normal convoy rules." However, in a game that I am currently playing, it appears that despite the presence of a bordering coastal army, I cannot order a convoy through Balaeres?
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
27 Feb 11 UTC
Draugnar!
Hey Draugnar, when are we going to play a game? :O
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☺ (1304 D)
27 Feb 11 UTC
Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality

I just had a nerdgasm.
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fiedler (1293 D)
27 Feb 11 UTC
Heros Wanted!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=49716

Ace player urgently required to take over a strong Italy. Easy draw (or better) is to be had. Come on!
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fuzzyhartle1 (100 D)
21 Feb 11 UTC
5 minute game
join my game its anceint med called flying turds-4
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