Rainbows are good, there's plenty of water in wine, and u can fit the dna sequences of every animal that ever lived on an arc.

Can't argue with great reasoning hahaha!

Vote for McCain because the alternatives are just so much worse.

I'm going on the Ralph Nader and Ron Paul ticket!

I agree with ednos. As for Nader and Paul, that makes no sense at all. Its like saying you want a Hitler/Gandhi unity ticket. Their beliefs are opposed.

You've convinced me, warren.

McCain,
You're silly. Hitler and Gandhi aren't natural born citizens. They can't be president. Haven't you ever read the declaration of independence?

Right, but consider this, McCain. If they ran together and won, nothing would ever get done. Both other branches would resist any changes, and none of the legislative changes would ever happen. When I compare this to the changes the Democratic party is so excited about, I realize I'd gladly vote for a Nader/Paul ticket if McCain wasn't available.

Who cares? It's not like any of you will bother voting anyway... If you're OLD enough to vote, that is.

Oh... And the Bible sux:-) coming from a Catholic

Warren, you've made me a believer!

New rule! If you can't post anything intelligent and/or your name is canute, don't post at all!

Shut up you useless Spaniard

And nothing you have posted, has been remotely intelligent... Though i am sure with your IQ of 11, you think you are.:-)

if his IQ was 11, he wouldn't be able to talk, let alone type and play dip.

people should vote for McCain because Obama will turn America into Canada, bigger and warmer.

I don't have a problem with more Canada :)

Well, in all seriousness, does anyone actually think that either Obama or Clinton will have a chance anyway? I mean, they can't get their act together and nominate a final candidate... Though i do prefer Obama. Surely Americans have learnt from their war mongerering? And to voluntarily say that he is the better choice? One who advocates war, even in the lead up to an election? My god...

And yeah, was being harsh there. Maybe its 65:-) nowhere near my 138 though..

McCain's a Republican. Republican's screw things up. Ergo, McCain will screw things up.

sorry mccain, but i am an obama supporter. obama is not what you think he is. the parties are not substantially different - both will use opposition to the government's policies to their advantage, even when the government's policies are right. for example, clinton was right on kosovo, yet republicans attacked him for it. the same with both the sanctions and the enforcement of the no-fly zone. yes, democrats have used iraq for politics. but both parties fundamentally pursue the same policies. what we need is not some crotchety old man who happens to be right, we need a face that can make america popular. yes, it is more important to be right than popular, but it is best to be right and popular. that is what we get with obama - a renewed mandate to bring iraq into our fold, a renewed mandate for our trade agenda, a renewed mandate for our international defense structure, and a renewed mandate on our economy. boom times ahead if obama wins. muddling through 4 years until we get a new president in 2012 if mccain wins. the fact that general powell is essentially a supporter of obama (not to mention bloomberg) indicates that america's defense and economic establishment is very much interested in a fresh face to launch a charm offensive to get the world back on our side.

Obama sells himself like he's the messiah. I find disconcerting, along with his leftist upbringing.

Mr Surge likes poking at tar babies. Put him in charge and we'll be hugging that tar baby. Time to find a new strategy.

"Obama will turn the US into a bigger warmer Canada"? so ..like .... affordable medical treatment, practical drug laws, decreased murder and general crime rate, higher education for all as opposed to rich kids, schools that actually educate ..all those horrible things?

hmm sounds alright o me

Obama's church is hilarious. It completely disqualifies him as a candidate. That he would believe such ridiculous nonsense ought to make him the laughingstock of the election.

I don't understand how you can vote based entirely on someone's foreign policy. Domestic policy should be far more important to the voting citizen because it directly affects them. Democrats have done literally NO good in terms of domestic policy. Progressivism is doing more to make us ass-backwards like Europe than ever before. Foreign policy is indeed important, but it comes definitely second to domestic policy.

I'm not sure what Americans would have "learned" from "war-mongering", considering WE aren't much worse off because of the war, aside from having to read canute's ever-so-intelligent gibberish.

Keep in mind that most Republicans opposing Bush aren't opposed because of the war; they're disapproving his behavior clearly going against traditional Republican standards (increasing government, I hear, is a big one). They want change, but they don't want to go further left, which Bush has done aside from the war.

Barack Obama is a figment of your imagination. Okay, I’m pretty sure he really exists, but the point is this: the messiah, the progressive dream candidate who is going to magically save the United States and return us to the good old days of being a benevolent, peace-loving world power— wait, was this before or after Vietnam? Before or after Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Before or after the war with the Philippines? The war with Mexico? Slavery? The Indigenous Genocide? Anyway, that’s not the point— Barack Obama is not who you imagine him to be.



Let this in no way be mistaken for an endorsement for Hilary “the Hawk” Clinton or John McCain— a man who actually found it funny to sing about bombing Iran, a bombing would result in the deaths of untold innocent children, women and men— nor is it an endorsement of any third party candidates: green, socialist or otherwise. This is simply an honest talk about Barack Obama.




Americans of all stripes are lining up behind the myth that is Barack Obama. Why is this? Well, he represents “change”, he gives us “hope”, oooh, and he talks so well.

That me be good and fine in so far as running a campaign, but what does this man really represent? Okay, you say he represents “change”, but what changes will he make?

As an anarchist (and, I hope all anarchists reading this will agree) I would never support a candidate and I think as such all anarchists are in a unique position to view this Obama cult worship as exactly that— a cult, a fiction, a nice little story to fit in your ballot box.



Okay, the guy is black— okay, half-black, but hey, in our country one drop counts!— but does that mean he will magically make the United States a better place for all African-Americans? For all minorities? For that matter would having Hillary Clinton in the White House mean sexism will magically cease to exist? Were that the case I would gladly vote for the dynamic duo of Obama/Clinton in ’08 and sit proudly (idly by) as our new masters were sworn in and racism and sexism became something of the past. But having a black man in office will not change the facts of racism, much as a woman in office will not rid us of sexism. I am pretty sure that having John F. Kennedy elected did little to change the status of the Irish (or Catholics as a whole) in the United States. He did get shot, though (fuck me— imagine the cult of Obama post-assassination, I shudder at the thought).



Time to get real. Barack Obama isn’t going to help realize my dreams of a world without hierarchy, coercion or capitalism (duh) but, will he accomplish the dreams of even a liberal democrat? No, no he will not. Why? (1) Because he has consistently voted in favor of continuing the war in Iraq, (2) Because he is not going to repeal NAFTA or other free trade agreements, strip corporations of their powers or give any real leverage to the American working class, (3) Because he is obviously unwilling to address real discrimination based on race (or gender, or class, or sexual orientation), (4) Because he will not grant consenting adults the right to marry, (5) Because he consistently resorts to taking hard-line stances against Iran, (6) Because he will not address the fact that car culture (fuck it, industrial capitalism as a whole) is destroying our landbase and forcing us to wage wars against sovereign nations, (7) Because he will not seriously alter the prison-industrial complex or declare an end to the war on drugs (i.e. a war on communities he claims to represent), (8) Because he will not end government funding of the military-industrial complex (i.e. the war on brown people world-wide), (9) Because he voted in favor of reauthorizing the Patriot Act, (10) Because he will not end the Green Scare, the war on “eco-terrorists” (i.e. the only sane people left in this country) nor will he end his support of the real terrorists (read: corporations) destroying what little remains of the natural world here in the United States.



I could go on, but by now you’re probably bored (I know I am) and you probably get the point. Barack Obama does not represent change. He represents the standard quo. No, he isn’t George Bush, but he is part of the same machine, and you know what? They need one another. Because without the labels Republican and Democrat, what do we have? Just a bunch of candidates fighting to be the spokesperson for the only political party America has ever known: the Capitalist Party.

who cares if he doesn't represent change? the point is that he is likable. i know its a common enough point, but if the people from the right say oh he's soo left and the people from the left say he isn't pure, and the people supporting him say the politics are irrelevant, its the personality, then this person has probably succeeded as a politician. political partisans who say "democrats don't know how to" blah blah or "republicans can't" etc. etc. are simply wrong, both parties are equally good at governance, meaning they largely protect society's social institutions and generally use america's power wisely. fixating on the trivial political issues overlooks that nobody today could really tell you serious differences between the effect of gladstone vs. disraeli but you can sure as hell say that english power and society grew at the time.

Of the three main candidates I would say that Obama appears to be the most intelligent of them all... regardless of his political affiliation. He could just as easily debate on the right side, and do a better job than McCain. He's definitely a better face for America, even if he isn't the miracle-worker that some might be expecting. Shoot for the stars right?

I don't see how an individual's religious affiliation should ever disqualify their candidacy. I am personally an atheist, and I find it funny that people can say that one religion is less ridiculous than the next. Whatever you may worship, it shouldn't affect your candidacy, the same with any lifestyle choice.

it has less to do with religion in this case than white racism, to be blunt.

There's a difference between paying lip service to a popular religion and actually believing some of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever created.

Fwancophile is correct in his evaluation of good politicians. The issues don't really matter. If the guy's going to show up on TV, he needs to be entertaining, and Obama, being the most likable, is the most entertaining (aside from Ron Paul, but we don't want a comedian running the country just yet). However, saying that both parties are equally good at governance is misleading, mostly because it's a lie. In the past, while in general both parties make similar choices, they do differ significantly in some important areas regarding domestic policy, and in all of these, the Democrats have a worse reputation than the Republicans. There's not a big enough difference to really call one party evil, but progressivism has done enough harm to earn the title of "greater of two evils".

haha, i really loved the description/first post thing of this thread. That should totally be McCain's campaign slogan :)

Im im sorry. McCain is a joke, anyone who wants to continue the war should think about it for a second....we should conentrate more on improving our foreign relations not killing them even more. The war is going to be a decisive issue in the election and the majority of people want to see our troops come home, McCain has a huge hurdle to overcome in that aspect.