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Churchill (2280 D)
15 Apr 08 UTC
An apology to Xyanth
I'm sorry about being CD in our prosperous game against Italy and Turkey... I was travelling and it took me a while to get the internet up. I am sad to lose such a strong position against a weak enemy and one on holiday! Good luck... and beware France!
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fraushai (1781 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Freedom of Speech
I see the deletion as an infringement of our freedom of speech. As of the time I left my polls thread, the discussion was rational and I see no reason to terminate it. If people are reluctant to accept the unpopularity of the US government, they could just choose not to open the thread.

Kestas, if you want to keep politics out of pHpDiplomacy, that's fine, but please be consistent in your actions and do the same to threads like " Vote for McCain or we're all doomed." Otherwise, you are in effect discriminating against those who are politically incorrect, i.e., the vast majority of us who dislike America for a reason.

I suggest that all responses containing abusive language be deleted, while the rest of the thread be restored. Or course, Kestas, you have the convenient option of deleting my account and continue with your political persecution, though by doing so you are murdering the voice of conscience on pHpDiplomacy.
GuanShao (537 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
He deleted idiocy. There is a difference between opinion and idiocy.

Like I've said; "Its one thing to have a different opinion, its another to be a jackass about it"
fraushai (1781 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Pray enlighten me, how is a poll idiocy.
GuanShao (537 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
No, i meant everything that Pitirre said was idiocy. I'm sure your poll was fine, but more than likely he tainted it.
Stevelers (3084 D(G))
14 Apr 08 UTC
Guan, you have to realize from Piterres point of view(among some others), that you are the idiot. Piterre would likely wish for your accont to be suspended, just as you would ask of his. It is good to have these debates, but you have to realize that the people arguing against you do in fact believe what they are saying. Do not simply call it idiocy, tell him WHY you think it is idiocy.
Medi (280 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
"Vote for McCain, or we are all doomed" is quite clearly of humorous intent. Or are you telling us that you take the argument presented in that topic's first post seriously?

kestas has a consistent rule - a topic which becomes uncivil will be deleted. If he is inconsistent in its application, that is simply due to the fact that it is not his highest priority - and, indeed, there is a solution (the introduction of dedicated moderators) on the to-do list.

As a final word, the idea of freedom of speech is a far less persuasive one on a particular site on the Internet than it is in real life, as on the Internet there is always the option to discuss the subject on one of the many dedicated forums for it.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
14 Apr 08 UTC
Maybe he is discriminating but hey dude, what are you gonna do about it?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
14 Apr 08 UTC
Leave the site??? *crosses fingers*






Seriously. Give me a break.

Kestas. Why don't you just close the forum for like a week.
Sm3llymcg3e3 (0 DX)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Yeah I agree with Thucydides.
I really think kestas should just close down the forum for a bit. It would stop all the persistent failure.
Karkand (2167 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
You do not have 'freedom of speech' on this message board. Moron.
GuanShao (537 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Delete the whole Forum, and keep everything game-based.
lolololololololololol
CountArach (587 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Seriously... I don't see why people need all these political topics here. There are plenty of political forums in the world. Counting over all of the topics on the front page, there are about 10 topics. Why not just have one mega-thread for it and leave it at that?
pythex (144 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Freedom of speech is not a right you have on this forum. You are an idiot.
Tucobenedicto (100 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Hahahahahaha.

Wow
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
14 Apr 08 UTC
frushai I deleted the threads because there were at least 3 threads on the subject of the US, and overnight another 3 were added. This forum is getting swamped with anti-US posts and nothing else, and everyone except a couple of people would rather drop the subject.

Remember this forum is about Diplomacy the board game, if there are a couple of off-topic threads then that's fine, but if there are 4-5 threads all on a non-Diplomacy related topic that most users would rather not discuss then obviously I need to clear the forum out.

People here are suggesting closing down the board to try and stop all these anti-US threads, and I have 2 mid-semester tests this week but have to spend my time keeping this Diplomacy forum from becoming an anti-US socialist propaganda forum! Can't you just accept what the visitors and creator of this forum want, and move on?
Tucobenedicto (100 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
See Kestas? This is why we're in the middle of a game of which the prize is your hand in marriage.

Out of curiosity, what are you studying?
pitirre (0 DX)
14 Apr 08 UTC
que lame ojo
canute (0 DX)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Drop the subject. Its all boring, and i think everyone knows the truth.:-) maybe shutting down the forum, or removing all current posts on here, and starting anew?
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
fraushai, you don't happen to still have your post on Imperialism with you, do you? I read it last night and thought it was interesting. I intended to reread it today and do some research on the subject, but it seems to have been deleted.

If you do still have it, would you be willing to email it to me? My email is in my profile...thanks!
ednos (529 D(S))
14 Apr 08 UTC
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3445

Unfortunately, I was the first eliminated.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Apr 08 UTC
@ ednos
That's because you're the least deserving of Kestas' affection.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
If you familiarise yourself with the appeal to belief you will see that that thread had no good purpose. Further, we had far, far to many anti-US threads, which were simply getting out of hand. We don't have a php forum, so we need to keep this one as neat as possible. I consider these topics to be a problem until we can have subforums for them, so I support Kestas in his decision, and remember to be aware of how vocal Diplomacy players are by their nature.
pythex (144 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Kestas, what's the possibility (or probability) of getting a separate phpBB forum running on this site, even just as a temporary measure?
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Or indeed just linked, so that instead of hitting open thread and opening the thread, you hit open thread and it links to the thread itself?
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
TheGhostmaker, I assume you were addressing me?

I actually had no intention of responding to the post, nor did I make any sort of appeal to have the thread reinstated. I genuinely thought the post was informative for me as I am trying to develop a story which is based on much of the principles of capitalism and imperialism.

Again, fraushai, if you are able and willing to email me your post, that'd be awesome. Thanks!
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
I was responding to the topic starter.
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
ahhh...k. sorry to interject. although, I sorta used it as an excuse to bump this. :)
mapleleaf (0 DX)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Bravo, Kestas.
Raga (140 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
No one ever said this site was a democracy. It is kestas' site, which he has worked hard to build and design. It is his right to do whatever he sees fit to keep it running smoothly. Kestas was right to take the actions he took and I am behind him 100%
tester5 (267 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
I agree with Raga. The site belongs to Kestas. If he doesn't want something he has the right to change it. Would you like somebody going into your house and telling you how to do things?
Treefarn (6094 D)
15 Apr 08 UTC
I always wondered what makes people try to press 'free speech' issues on websites that have nothing to do with the topics they are pushing. If I went to a knitting site and was promoting controversial anti-abortion views, or to a dog site and wanted to talk about nothing but antagonistic stem-cell issues, I wouldn't be surprised if I got an email from the admin.

Was does an anti-american diatribe and this site have in common? Nothing. If you have controversial and antagonistic things to discuss about the game of Diplomacy, I'd bet they don't get deleted.


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gauauu (100 D)
14 Apr 08 UTC
civil disorder
I have a question about how a player in civil disorder is handled. Are all their moves set to hold? (so if I'm attacking someone in civil disorder, I need to move with at least one support to take the territory?) And can I successfully support hold a unit that belongs to a country in civil disorder?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
13 Apr 08 UTC
No longer CD notification
This has happened to me a couple times and I was wondering if its been a problem for any one else.
A country is CD and I make my moves with that in mind only to find out that between me finalizing and the stat of the next turn, someone has joined the game. I think its great that people can join late, but could there be some form of notification, because this has messed up my moves on several occasions.
BTW, Kestas, you've done a great job-thanks!
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canute (0 DX)
14 Apr 08 UTC
Asterix and Obelix- Who is your favorite...
Character? Mine is Dogmatix:-) reminds me of my dog, canute.:-)
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eightpercent (100 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
Ge Gentle
Just joined diplomacy. Big fan of pbm games and i was wondering if there are any tips that any one out there can give me? Thanks.
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Treefarn (6094 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
What would happen if you could choose your armies/fleet at game start?
Would your strategies change? I'm thinking this would be an interesting variant (and probably has already been tried). What changes would you make? The game would be completely different for some countries.

2 Italian Fleets? Turkish fleet in Smyrna? 3 Austrian Armies? Fleet at St Pete North Coast? German fleet in Berlin for support into Sweden first year?

Russia and Turkey could talk before hand and both agree on Armies on the Black Sea.
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
13 Apr 08 UTC
Bug in map or incorrect move did succeed
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Generic Title Autumn 1903, Unit-placing
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3506&msgCountry=Italy
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Is it possible to move a fleet from Apu to tunis ? That's what Italy did in the previous turn when you see the map.
Bug in map or incorrect/correct move ?
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canute (0 DX)
11 Apr 08 UTC
Great site!
relatively new to this site, i am glad to see people on here, with intellect, passion, thoughts, ideas, and opinions. Yes... There are the ignorant too, however all in all, this is a fantastic site. A great game to play, and even a forum for chat amongst its participants. Who needs facebook?! Well done KESTAS!
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
13 Apr 08 UTC
Deleted 3 new topics on the US
Why not find something else to talk about? Are these anti-american threads supposed to make me hate America, or hate loud-mouthed, obsessive anti-americans?
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warrenthegreat (147 D)
11 Apr 08 UTC
Vote for McCain or we're all doomed.
The Christian bible says the anti christ will promise peace but deliver war. McCain however is promising war which means he can't be the anti christ. A vote for McCain is a vote for 8 more years without an armageddon. What has Clinton or Obama got to offer.
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Twenty (160 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Idea for next update
Just had a thought today while entering some orders. I thought it would be beneficial to have 2 maps when entering orders. 1 with what happened last move with all the arrows. Another one under it (read: some where) with what your next move will look like.

Simply because once you start having a couple of units i start to loose track of visualizing all my moves. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
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pitirre (0 DX)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Rush; the greatest american band of all time
wow, i saw them last friday in concert as part of their "snakes and arrows" tour and they were fantastic! my favorite song of the nigh was "mission". just beautiful.

try to watch it in youtube by writing "rush puerto rico".

if they come to your town, go see them! great!
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BrianW (195 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Points
According to the help files:

"The amount of points you get depends on how many units you have at the end. If you have the 18 units needed to win you'll get most of the points, but if you have more units than you started with at the end you'll still win something. If you get defeated, or have to leave the game, then all the points you bet are lost."

However, what happens if you survive a game, but you have less units than when you started out? For example if I was Russia, but I get only 3 units when the game is over, how many points to I get?
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Hendrix (160 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
Can the maker of this site contact me.
Hey all, I sent a message to kestas_j_k through sourceforge and there is no contact information available. I'd like to work on this diplomacy system instead of starting from scratch.l
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Brutorix (100 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Heated off-topic debates
I know that at this point many people are getting annoyed and offended with the heavily political discussions taking place on this message board. It is rarely avoidable when you make political comments that you don't find people who disagree with you and when it comes to more serious international conflicts the internet is a place where people from very different up-bringing often clash.

The most important point I must make is that people choose to argue over these points for their own enjoyment - It is of course your choice whether or not to take part in the discussions. It is also an individual persons choice whether or not they take points brought up in a debate personally. The educational value of each debate is of course different depending on the individual but I know that many of the issues brought up have been able to at least open the minds of those involved to a degree.

The greatest thing about the debates is that they are time spent on the site, taking time to make political posts on the forum may give you the chance to hop back and forth from a game and develop a deeper level of actual ingame diplomacy when other players are online at the same time.

Anyways, I personally think that the debates should definitely continue to occur. The more personal attacks should be moderated and the people involved should try not to take political conflicts personally.
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avinoam (174 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
Keep Politics out of Diplomacy
It might be a good idea to refrain from heated topics such as real life politics (as opposed to in game politics) and religion.
This is supposed to be fun.
Enough tears are spilt over being back-stabbed in the game. :)
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Medi (280 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
Opening with Austria - an article
I've heard a lot of people complaining about getting Austria, so I figured I'd write a little bit about how to open with the Dual Monarchy. As a 25% Hungarian, I am uniquely qualified here!
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DNA117 (1535 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Correct me if I am wrong.
Does attacking a fleet that is convoying disrupt the convoy? If it does then there is an error in this game in the North sea.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3506
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Chairman Mao (340 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
Press Game II x WTA game
I will be planning to start a 102 pot WTA Press Game
Please post here if you are interested and I will email you the password.
If your emails are hidden, be sure that when I get the final list, give me a mail in prior so that I can give you a reply.

Following Reuters, this will be called Agence France-Presse
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pitirre (0 DX)
12 Apr 08 UTC
new game just started; deception
want a new game, play at "deception"
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
11 Apr 08 UTC
Fed up playing with Italy
I keep having italy since 3 games, I like to change.
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keeper0018 (100 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
kestas, error
kestas-

in game "Yum yums-2", (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3271), i just took over turkey, and the game is in the unit-placing phase. however, i dont have any builds/disbands, and the game is stuck there. please help!
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ComradeWilkinski (100 D)
13 Apr 08 UTC
New Game - Cheap One
Low stakes game.
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avinoam (174 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
Join my game: Chrispy Chicken - no silent players please
Please join my game if you:
a) actually talk to people during the game
b) don't abandon games
c) preferably if you check the site 3-4 times a day. :)

* snacks not included
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shinobi (180 D)
12 Apr 08 UTC
game stuck in retreats mode
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3446

I have no retreats, but I'm the only player 'yet to move'.
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El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
11 Apr 08 UTC
New Game- Stereotype the person above you!
Stereotype the person who posts above you. Don't forget to be as cruel as possible! Also, please don't argue the stereotype someone assigns to you.
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
07 Apr 08 UTC
A Variant- Hidden team game.
Here is an interesting variant I came across not too long ago, involving a team of two, and five individual players:
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anlari (8640 D)
11 Apr 08 UTC
Allied Warfare Result
The game Allied Warfare (3011) has ended with the victory of Turkey-England-Russia. Austria-Italy were destroyed and France-Germany have capitulated.

We now request that the game is drawn. Please post your confirmations.
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sean (3490 D(B))
10 Apr 08 UTC
Playing Diplomacy without any diplomacy
Often in games, especially lower pot games i keep coming across players who don't engage in any diplomacy at all. how do they expect to win?
Nearly always they are attacked and destroyed or severely crippled and hover around at the edges. They don't send in early messages of goodwill and misdirection, they don't reply and even if there exits a situation where we could work together they don't initiate any conversation. It's like they are playing a no press game on their own. I understand that some players when they plan to attack somebody they don't send any messages but the initial negotiations in the first 24 hours are crucial. If you are Germany and england says "hello' and "lets work together" and France doesn't even reply to your first message ...well isn't that France basically just putting his hand up and saying "hey guys why don't you unite and attack me" ?
why would people play this way ?
1. playing too many games at once ?
2.lack of awareness that the diplomacy function is crucial to winning (ie playing it like you might play chess) ?
are there any other reasons?
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