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VirtualBob (209 D)
13 May 14 UTC
May GR Release Date?
Any news on when the ghost ratings will be released? I am sure to tumble in June's ratings, so I am looking forward to a brief celebration when May's ratings come out.
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Octavious (2701 D)
20 May 14 UTC
Local Elections: Does anyone really give a damn?
Ed Miliband clearly doesn't...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27483541

With friends like Miliband, who needs enemies? But seriously, do local elections matter? And if they do how do we drum up public interest when even our politicians seem to treat them with contempt?
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taco6 (130 D)
21 May 14 UTC
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World Diplamcy Live!!!
Is anyone interested in a live world diplomacy game(5 minute phases)...I think it would be very epic if it works...if anyone is interested, there is a game starting in a week called All or Nothing.
C'mon lets try it.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
20 May 14 UTC
Think You Had a Bad Monday?
Couldn't have happened to a more fitting asshole of a person, either.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201405/wwe-ceo-vince-mcmahon-loses-350-million-third-his-fortune-one-day
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kaner406 (356 D)
19 May 14 UTC
Social Justice issue
So I'm required to give a seminar about a social issue that is present in education. It's supposed to be something I am 'passionate' about... Just wondering what sort of social justice issues would you be passionate about?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
19 May 14 UTC
Have you ever had the feeling that you threw too much away?
In a metaphorical sense, mostly. So if ended too much when you decided to make a change for example. Not much to add myself, just interested.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
18 May 14 UTC
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Campbell's Law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%27s_Law

Enjoyed learning about this sociological trend this morning. Thought this might be of interest to some of my friends here.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
20 May 14 UTC
Rules question
If I cut a unit that is support moving while being support held does it cut their support?
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joebock12 (100 D)
20 May 14 UTC
Username
How do I change my username?
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
20 May 14 UTC
Missing yachtsmen - please help
Hey guys. My amazing friend Vicky needs our help. Her cousin (once removed) is one of these missing yachtsmen, and there's every chance they could still be found if there's a concerted effort by the relevant authorities to search for them. On behalf of the families, who are worried sick, please join me in signing this:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/uscg-restart-the-search-for-the-missing-cheekirafiki-crew-dontstopsearching
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
20 May 14 UTC
Peyton Manning Arrested
In Nashville, police arrested Peyton Manning for doing pot and cocaine.

http://nesn.com/2014/05/woman-named-peyton-manning-arrested-on-drug-charges-in-tennessee/
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beetles (136 D)
19 May 14 UTC
Unpause game
I'm sure there must a topic on this, but couldn't find it. How can we unpause a game if one player does not vote unpause?
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CaptainMathSparrow (226 D)
20 May 14 UTC
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Quick Game - QuickOne
Hi all, I just made a new game: QuickOne

5 min phases so can go quickly. Please join
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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
19 May 14 UTC
Gran Turismo 6
does anyone here play it? im currently looking for those interested in joining my endurance league. pm me if you are
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 May 14 UTC
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"Dr. Rove"--Making Doctors Phil and Who Look Legit By Comparison!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/dr-rove-doubles-down-hillary-203900415.html Funny...I don't recall Republicans seeming too concerned about McCain's skin cancer and swollen gland while he was running against Obama in 2008. Then again, he was a man and a Republican, not a woman and a Democrat. Sexism, partisan politics, or just one more sign Karl Rove needs to have a little lie down? Why choose when you can have all three!
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SYnapse (0 DX)
15 May 14 UTC
Conscientious objectors of WWI
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27404266
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Gordon (326 D)
19 May 14 UTC
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This game defies logic
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=141414#gamePanel

Austria and Italy are cooperating like clockwork when in WTA no-messaging allowed they ought to be at each others throats.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
13 May 14 UTC
New game - FP, WTA, variant, high GR
Took a little bit of time away but I'd like to play a new game. I'm looking for a high GR game on one of the variants. Fall of America if we have enough people, otherwise AM. 36-46 hr, any pot size, WTA-FP ratings.
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JECE (1248 D)
17 May 14 UTC
¡Atleti! ¡Atleti! ¡Atlético de Madrid!
Atlético de Madrid, campeones de la Liga :-)
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SYnapse (0 DX)
17 May 14 UTC
The Titanic
I'm sure you guys have some outrageous views on the sinking of the Titanic, so hit me with them
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
16 May 14 UTC
Question for Roller Coaster Fanatics
So I'll be making an amusement park trip this summer and I have the following options: 1) Kennywood+Lakemont Park, 2) Dorney Park+Knoebels, or 3) Carowinds. Which would be the best option and why?
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TWild (301 D)
17 May 14 UTC
rules
Hello, i am playing at points game. There is 3 players left. I could either come second or possibly get a 3 way draw. How many points do you get for each option?
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
15 May 14 UTC
Henry Ford
How do we assess the legacy of Henry Ford? Should he be respected as a great man and a father of industry? Or should we condemn him as a friend of the Nazis and one of the 20th century's most prominent anti-semites?
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
01 May 14 UTC
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HATE ON PLAYDIP HERE
Utilize this thread by posting anti-PlayDiplomacy posts here and only here.

...Seriously, we need to move this discussion out of the mafia thread, it's getting completely off-topic.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 May 14 UTC
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Mod Team Announcement
See Inside
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
17 May 14 UTC
Kings spoil Selanne's swansong...
...by eliminating Ducks in game 7.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 May 14 UTC
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So I can't remove the Gold Star I gave myself and I feel like an ass...
With that being said: We have a yet-unused badge that we can give to people and I think we should do something with it. As a community, I'd like us to pick a couple people that we think have significantly contributed to the site and ask kestas to award them a gold star. Is this something people are interested in? Let's use this thread to discuss the idea (or other ways of using the star), rather than discussion potential recipients.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
16 May 14 UTC
I am addicted to the internet....
.... Help !!
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
13 May 14 UTC
The Seven-Player Warlord Simulation
scroll down bro's!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
50%+ of People >35 Years Old Know About Holocaust (Why the Jews Need Israel)
http://news.yahoo.com/holocaust-anti-semitism-global-study-154731933.html That is honestly a bit surprising to me...if for no other reason than the fact that WWII is so "popular" in different kinds of media that you'd think that number would be higher. And this is yet another reason, as atheistic as I am, I'll always maintain the Jews need Israel--those are dangerous numbers, and it's good to know the Jews have a state and army with which to defend themselves.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
That being said, I clearly need to watch which < or > sign I press, lol.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 May 14 UTC
I know you don't like math, obi, but DAMN...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
I know, lol, I hit send and two seconds later realized that didn't look right--

And this is why you'll never have to worry about me "having too much control in business." ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
Although, since I forgot to put "DON'T" in the title, my math blunder is now technically true, since in the study, a majority OVER 35 did know about it.

...So, a math blunder saved by an additional blunder, lol...
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
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@obiwanobiwan

Very noble of you, Sir, to revive the recent tragedy of the holocaust as a reminder to people to avoid genocide and to work to oppose tyranny.

I can understand why you might particularly want to highlight the plight of the Hebrews, and can conjecture that both a state and an army are some of the best possible deterrents against future abuses.

I would like however to introduce an idea that I've had, and hopefully this is an agreeable time and place.

Why do you assume that he Levant is the best location for a Jewish state, when to a friendly and well-intentioned outsider, it almost appears to be the worst.

If I were, for example, to be charged with governing and securing a group of Hebrews, I would seek to acquire a location where they would enjoy an agreeable atmospheric climate, are surrounded by business opportunities and surrounded by friendly states. By contrast, Israel is in the middle of a desert, surrounded by economically depressed states, most of whom have the unfortunate opinion that Israel should not exist there.

Couldn't a better location be chosen? It seems to me that the Israeli military strategic position better suits the interests of militant Zionists and American neoconservatives more so than it does the interests of working-class Hebrews or even middle-class Americans, for example.

I must be wrong, no? But where is the error in my reasoning.
SYnapse (0 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
The probably just don't know the name. Probably the wording of the question was shit.

What is the holocaust, compared to Millions of Jews were murdered by adolf hitler's regime true/false? Give wildly different answers
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
14 May 14 UTC
@ Al: Unfortunately they believe that Israel should be there because it says so in a very old book.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
"Why do you assume that he Levant is the best location for a Jewish state, when to a friendly and well-intentioned outsider, it almost appears to be the worst."

1. To be clear, I never said that it's the BEST location for a Jewish state

2. If I'm to be honest, I care more about a Jewish state itself than where it is...that being said, as it'd seem rather peculiar to have one in, say, outer Mongolia or South America, it'd seem as if Europe or the Middle East would be the rational choices, since that's where the Jews have predominantly lived (not counting North America, as A. that's pretty recent, comparatively and B. its inhabitants--not counting the Native Americans who suffered their own genocide, of course--are of predominantly European descent, so either way.) There's no way the Jews could ever get a Jewish state in Europe, and really, I don't think it'd make sense. By contrast, many Jews moved to the Levant area in the decades before the 1948 War for Independence, and that's where the UN in 1947 said the Jews could have a state, when they offered to partition two states, one for Israel and one for Palestine.

For better or worse, it's where the Jews were expelled from, and where they've returned to...and with one of the toughest militaries in the world, it doesn't look like they're leaving any time soon.

"If I were, for example, to be charged with governing and securing a group of Hebrews, I would seek to acquire a location where they would enjoy an agreeable atmospheric climate, are surrounded by business opportunities and surrounded by friendly states."

...The area's nice enough...when it's not, you know, being bombed or rocketed to bits...

And Israel's done just fine for itself business-wise, so where are you going with this?

That it'd be better if they were in a location where they weren't surrounded by enemies? Where would that be? Either A. You pick territory from nowhere, in which case, why bother having a Jewish state where Jews have never lived, or B. You pick one where they have lived, which is going to incite violence because there's only so much land on Earth and it's a zero-sum game, so anyone getting more land means someone has less...

What European neighbor would be tickled pink losing centuries-old land to a new Jewish state?

At least in the area where the state now stands, there were so many Jews ready to fight and defend land they'd already begun to take over by sheer force of immigration numbers.

"Couldn't a better location be chosen?"

Where?
Somewhere we've never been--then what's the point?
Europe?
Who's going to be happy with that?
North America?
How would the US, Canada or Mexico be OK with that?
South America or some remote island?
Again, what's the point if we have no real roots there?

"It seems to me that the Israeli military strategic position better suits the interests of militant Zionists and American neoconservatives more so than it does the interests of working-class Hebrews or even middle-class Americans, for example."

1. You want to stop calling us Hebrews...why not just say Jews, really? O.o

2. I wasn't aware that the formation of a Jewish state should meet the interest of "middle class Americans"...? Or anyone besides the Jews involved, really? I mean, why should they meet such interests when it's their nation they're trying to protect?

3. I'd argue it benefits more than the groups you mention.

4. "By contrast, Israel is in the middle of a desert, surrounded by economically depressed states, most of whom have the unfortunate opinion that Israel should not exist there." Supposing that, instead of the peaceful bankers and chocolate makers they are, the Swiss were instead loathed throughout Europe...should they then have to leave their alpine homes, because their neighbors didn't like them? Let's assume, in addition, that rather than their minimal army, the Swiss are, like Israel, armed to the teeth, with compulsory military service and one of the world's best air forces, as well as the assumption that they have nuclear weapons--should the Swiss move?

And,

5. Can you write anything without sounding like a smarmy ass?
Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
lol
Theodosius (232 D(S))
14 May 14 UTC
Can =/= Will =/= Should.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
"The probably just don't know the name. Probably the wording of the question was shit."

Maybe...but still...the term's pretty widely known...it's not like it's an academics-only term, we (unfortunately) use the term liberally know, calling things "holocausts" quite frequently, at least compared to how often you'd have heard the terms pre-1950s or 1960s or so.

@Jamiet:

"Unfortunately they believe that Israel should be there because it says so in a very old book."

As an atheist Jew, I'll provide another reason--

We DID immigrate their en masse during the late-19th and into the 20th centuries, and the UN DID promise us land their in 1947.

The leaders of the Zionist movement were varied, but there were secular reasons as well, some going so far as to lump it in with (oh boy, here we go) communist sentiments at the time and propose a sort of working utopia for Jews in that region.

So...some wanted to return because of the Bible...
Some because they'd been expelled from the area 2,000 years ago...
Some because many Jews did still live in the Middle East, so a Jewish state appealed to them far more than the Islamic/Ottoman ones they'd lived under...
Some because they wanted to escape Antisemitism in Europe...
Some because they wanted a working-class nation...

And so on.

It's not just because "the Bible tells us so"...if it was, I wouldn't back it.

We immigrated, we were promised the land, first by the British and then by the UN, the Arabs famously said they'd "push the Jews into the sea"...failed to do so...

And the Jews won that war, surrounded by enemies though they might have been.

I think they've earned their tiny strip of land.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
14 May 14 UTC
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Just a FYI, the Swiss have mandatory military service and are armed to the teeth with mandatory guns at home. From Wiki: The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.

Not that it affects your argument, I'm just being an ass.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
^Touche, lol...
Theodosius (232 D(S))
14 May 14 UTC
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We mustn't forget the homeland given to the gypsies after the Holocaust, to protect them from discrimination in Europe. No, wait, that's still going on.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005219
Fishstudios (245 D)
14 May 14 UTC
According to the article, Laos was the least antisemitic country.

Fancy that.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
14 May 14 UTC
And it is a tiny strip of land...with other issues like having enough potable water.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
"We mustn't forget the homeland given to the gypsies after the Holocaust, to protect them from discrimination in Europe. No, wait, that's still going on."

Did they move somewhere en masse, and have a militia ready to fight for a state?

It isn't as if the UN just pulled an Oprah and said "Free country for you! And a free country for YOU...FREE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!" :p

The Jews were there en masse, had leaders, had a structure in place, had people ready to fight for independence, had the Balfour Declaration...

The Holocaust was just one factor, albeit a big one.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 May 14 UTC
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@Al ... sorry, Israel isn't moving. It's definitely in an odd spot, but look at what they've done with it and please tell me with a straight face that it isn't economically sound. We can't go back to the early 1900s though and change it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
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"The poll, which included 53,100 interviews in 96 languages in 101 countries,"

101 countries... Many probably have little knowledge or involvement im the world around them by their citizenry. Do you think Chine, for instance, males a point of teaching the Holocaust?

Lies, damn lies, and statistics...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
"101 countries... Many probably have little knowledge or involvement im the world around them by their citizenry. Do you think Chine, for instance, males a point of teaching the Holocaust?"

China or Chile?

If the former...maybe not "make a point" of teaching it, but given the rigorous schooling Chinese students receive, I'd think it might get a mention...the Rape of Nanking would definitely get more of a focus, but still, I'd say China would probably at least give it a mention in passing in a unit on the war?

If the latter...probably not, it's not as if Chile really was involved...
Randomizer (722 D)
14 May 14 UTC
China teaches about the Japanese occupation and their own people getting killed. The Jews that got caught in the Shanghai ghetto survived because the Japanese believed the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and wanted to negotiate with the Elders. They planned after the war to trade the Jewish refugees for an Elder to control the world.
Draugnar (0 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
The Holocaust was a western centric event with the far east and many south of the equator not involved in the European theater not taking near as much notice. South America was more or less untouched by WWII and China & Japan had their own focus. So if over half the adults alive today know of it, then that's actually pretty good. And you have to figure there are way more adults over 35 than from 18 to 35.
krellin (80 DX)
14 May 14 UTC
Draug of course makes an excellent point. Without understand the demographics of this so-called survey, this information is meaningless.

That being said...Draug, is it really that much of a shocker that people under 35 are under-educated dim-wits? Shhhiiiiitttttt....come on, bro...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 May 14 UTC
Even still, Draug...there are certain events that are so big that there's crossover, East or West...

The Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide (give it up, Turkey, it was a genocide), the Rwandan Genocide, the Cambodian Genocide--

Just saying, I think there are some crimes (and to be fair, some triumphs) that are so big that they cross over, or at least should to an extent, in a globalized world.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
15 May 14 UTC
"Draug, is it really that much of a shocker that people under 35 are under-educated dim-wits? Shhhiiiiitttttt....come on, bro..."

In fairness to my silly, slacker generation--

There are plenty of old ignorant bigots--isn't that right, krellin?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
15 May 14 UTC
Turkey will eventually own up to it. Erdogan almost did earlier this year but caught himself. They'll probably do so once a couple of generations pass.
Draugnar (0 DX)
15 May 14 UTC
The bigger shocker was when Schindler's List came out and the sheer number of US teens who didn't know it was a true story and that found humor in the liquidation of the ghetto.
krellin (80 DX)
15 May 14 UTC
"Even still, Draug...there are certain events that are so big that there's crossover, East or West..."

That a rather racist thing to say, as if your European history is the most important thing to the third world peasants they interviewed who are far more concerned about where their next meal is than you ridiculous wars.
krellin (80 DX)
15 May 14 UTC
Obi - Yes, there are plenty of ignorant old bigots. A damned great many of them are in the Democrat party, assclown.

If you are referring to the "bigotry" of wanting to treat everyone equal, regardless of skin color or gender...well, that would just be the utterly perverse alternate reality you fucktard liberal youth have been miseducated into .

I pity you morons, truly I do.
rs2excelsior (600 D)
15 May 14 UTC
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"Just a FYI, the Swiss have mandatory military service and are armed to the teeth with mandatory guns at home. From Wiki: The personal weapons of the militia are kept at home as part of the military obligations; Switzerland thus has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world."

Nothing to do with the thread, but before WWI, Kaiser Wilhelm asked the Swiss leader what a militia of a quarter million Swiss would do against an invasion of a half million Germans.

The answer? "Shoot twice and go home."
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
15 May 14 UTC
Thank you guys for your responses.

I plan to respond at both a length and a level of quality that your responses deserve.

Until then, I leave you with this:

http://photos1.meetupstatic.com/photos/member/c/f/0/a/highres_196133002.jpeg

Friend of a friend of mine. Beautiful, professionally successful, interested in health/fitness, single, patriotic, and Israeli.

...yet she lives in the United States.

Does this little Sabra feel safer in the US?


Full Disclosure: Borrowing the picture without permission. Opinions expressed are my own.
Theodosius (232 D(S))
15 May 14 UTC
Lol, rs2e.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
16 May 14 UTC
Mr. Obiwan,

Thank you for your patience. Since I have limited time, I'll be direct:

Your stated objectives are mutually contradictory. For example, if you feel that it is your religious destiny to control the Holy Land, your best bet is to expediently develop a mutually-satisfying peace accord with the Arabs.

If however, you feel that your principle purpose is to protect the well-being of the Hebrews, then an evacuation is in order. I can only recommend the United States, for example, as an country that can potentially absorb a good chunk of Hebrew population from a standpoint of reasonable security, prosperity and comfort. I think that you'll find that Israel is loosing a lot of the more productive (read: liberal) elements of society to the United States anyway.

You should be especially careful about provoking the Arabs. In peace, they will be your best partners. Understanding their proud culture and publicly promoting their interests will go a long way towards establishing lasting peace. In any event you should especially avoid irritating normal, working-class Arabs.

Finally, the Hebrews should publicly attempt to downplay any suggestions of God's Chosen People, etc. as this image contributes to the efforts of various antisemites. While private cultural preservation efforts are indeed admirable, it is counterproductive to provide ammunition to the various sorts of people who present the greatest threat.

Please review and respond.

Truly yours,
בכבוד רב
Al


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