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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Nov 13 UTC
In the Year 2525...If Man is Still Alive...If Woman Can Survive...They Will Find...?
Well, what'll they find?

What states or institutions will have risen or fallen? What people will have risen, fallen, maybe even (sadly) disappeared as the result of war or disease? What artists and writers and even shows and films that we care about now will still be praised...and what will make for remarkably-good landfill?
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noflag (0 DX)
03 Nov 13 UTC
advertise your websites here
utilize this thread by posting information about your websites here and only here
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
02 Nov 13 UTC
Dates in British english
Is it officially January the 3rd or the 3rd of January? Or does it not make a difference?
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Jynx (100 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Trick or Treat cancelled. WTF?
Many towns and cities around where I live are "cancelling" trick or treat and moving it to Fri., Sat., or Sun. Question is: Since when is it the cities job/responsibility to tell the citizens if they are "allowed" to go T or T'ing. I should add, yeh, there is some rain and wind (oh,no save me) but it is *nowhere* near a storm. Doesn't change the fact that a town/city (thinks it) has that much *authority* THAT'S BUUUUUULLLLSHIT!!!
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SYnapse (0 DX)
28 Oct 13 UTC
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Transhumanism
What a piece of shit ideology
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Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Everyone may not have the shelter they need, but there is sufficient shelter out there if they had the means to procure it. That is not a limitation of the volume of shelter, but in the way in which it gets distributed.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Yeah, but it is fair to say that there has been no multiplication in the rate of production of shelters.

One the other hand, there has been no multiplication in the demand for shelter either. And once demand is met the main utility gain is not more shelter, it comes from other things...
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"Once again, you're focusing on the old and rigidly ignoring everything that's going on around you."

Or you're inventing new criteria for the transformative character of technology because you're working backwards from the conclusion that computers are one of the most revolutionary technologies ever. Why don't you go where the evidence takes you?

"Now you're fixating on speed and memory"

I'm not "fixated" on anything. I brought up a point that you haven't bothered to refute. And because you can't refute it you call me "fixated", just like you've done for everything else you don't want to bother with.

"We're not arguing about speed and memory."

Yes I am arguing about speed & memory. If demand for speed & memory has gone down then where is the evidence that computers have revolutionized the economy? The heyday of the impact of computers has passed us.

"They ARE a huge portion of the economy. Google has a third the revenue of GM, Microsoft more than that."

But you want to tell me that the computer and internet are as revolutionary or more revolutionary than automobiles. So how is telling me that a company has a 1/3 of the revenue as GM impressive? Especially when those companies 'Google' & Microsoft have larger market shares than GM (google has 67% of marketshare for crying out loud).

What is the value-added as a % of GDP for websearch and operating system services?

"Prices have gone down because of enormous competition"

Prove it. I provided articles documenting how demand for stripped down PCs led to the plummeting in prices. Where is the evidence for this "competition"?

Here's another such article, this one documents the market share of the various PC vendors.

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2301715

5 companies control more than 50% of the market. This is what you call "intense competition". The same article explains how tablets have supplanted demand for PCs. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to contradict this.

"http://www.jcmit.com/diskprice.htm"

I don't where the information you're spouting comes from. I see nothing that says what anything about how much such space Seagate sold per year. Nor anything about Seagate revenues. Talk about dishonest. All I know from this is the price of hard drive space.

Don't you have a datasheet with how much hard drive space Seagate has sold?

This is really weak for a supposedly slam dunk argument.




Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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"If demand for speed & memory has gone down "

A completely unsupported and unsubstantiated claim. The idea that mainframes are being replaced with PCs is false to begin with. An intel/windows server platform is not a PC and has more computing power and greater speed than an IBM 360o/370 or a Dec PDP 11 ever had.
Invictus (240 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Why are you still hounding Putin33 on this? He's transparently wrong. Anyone alive today can see that. He also will never admit it. Continuing this is a waste of everyone's time, unless the goal is to force Putin33 to do shoddy, desperate internet research to keep his point alive. If so, carry on.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"He's transparently wrong. Anyone alive today can see that."

Typical grandstanding from the laziest person here.

Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"A completely unsupported and unsubstantiated claim. "

I provided an economics working paper supporting this claim. You haven't provided a damn thing.
Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Which didn't interview a single IT expert. That would be like publishing as paper on a new medical procedure that didn't reference a single doctor in the field in question. It's crap for the masses whose worth is about that of toilet paper.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"The open source movement has had a massive impact on free services available to computer owners"

At the cost of many fewer employed people. How many people did Kodak employ? How many does Instagram employ? This isn't making us wealthier.

"but also encourages creativity, and disincentives duplication of effort"

Everything about the internet screams duplication of effort. As I said in my first or second post on this subject, the internet has duplicated rather than replaced already existing services.

"This is generating cultural value which may be hard to measure in pure economic terms"

If the best example of the revolution we are supposedly in is streamed home videos then I think I can rest my case. America's Funniest Home Videos was on for quite a while before youtube, laughing at stupid stuff people do is nothing new. All youtube and related websites have done is make it harder to filter information so that we have a plethora of garbage out there and little real news.

It's easy to engage in presentism and believe that the current world is the most dynamic, most innovative, most revolutionary.


Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
It's an economics research paper, not a newspaper article. Why would anyone be "interviewed"?
Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Don't be disingenuous. No experts in the IT field were involved in that paer at all. All the IT information in it is worth less than my medical knowledge. You want information about processor speeds and memory and such in a server, you go to an IT expert or at least to the manufacturers of said servers. You don't just hear "It runs Windows and has an intel chip) and assume it is anything remotely similar to a PC.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Demand for speed and memory has never been greater. This really can't be argued.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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I DEMAND SPEED AND MEMORY
orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Youtube != america's home videos.

It is a publishing platform with a zero low threshold for entry. And yes this means filtering of a huge amount of info needs to be done, before publishers filtered before things went public. Fortunately we now have algorithms to filter in more intelligent ways; revolitionizing an industry.

And this is not the best example, it is the simplest and most accessible example.

Just to reinforce the stupidity of your claim 'If the best example of the revolution we are supposedly in is streamed home videos then I think I can rest my case.' - look at Vevo music's youtube channel, some great 'streamed home video'...

And if replacing TV is only one of the revolutions then it is still a fairly signifigant one.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Also, tablets in schools are worth noting; sit a class infront of PCs and then stare at the screens and focus on what happens to be infront of them, sit them at tables with tablets and they show and share what they're working on; it is a totally different learning experience because of peer-to-peer sharing/learning.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
You're saying this is as revolutionary as petrochemicals, the airplane, the automobile, home heating, etc. And since when has the TV been replaced?

"it is a totally different learning experience because of peer-to-peer sharing/learning."

Yes and introduction of computers, tablets, etc has made our kids dumber, not smarter.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Putin what on earth are you even arguing?
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Abgemacht, I know you think it a waste of time to write anything here because you're supposedly self-evidently correct, but can you not even bother to read either?

The argument is simple, the great inventions which have revolutionized the economy and raised our standard of living have all mostly occurred at the turn of the 20th century. The pace of innovation has since greatly slowed. An objection was raised about the computer being another such revolutionary technology and I argued it fell short of the impact that these other technologies have had. Although I never claimed it was irrelevant or had no impact, as some have falsely portrayed my position.



krellin (80 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
" the great inventions which have revolutionized the economy and raised our standard of living"

WHAT??!!?!? But I thought Capitalism and America in general were a degenerated wasteland?!!?!

It's hillarious - Putin's views just flip flop like a 2-bit whore chasing a crack pipe on a trampoline.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
you've focused on 'durables; (to quote wikipedia) "In economics, a durable good or a hard good is a good that does not quickly wear out, or more specifically, one that yields utility over time rather than being completely consumed in one use."

Oh, by the way, wikipedia articles are not used up when one person uses them, and gains utility. Likewise with youtube videos. Guess what has allowed massive growth of these things?

Focusing entirely on the material without considering the informational content and value added to the economy demonstrates a lack of understanding of the kinds of changes we've had.

As for standard of living, you're right that we have reach a plateau in areas like metal extraction and land use, it becomes exponentially more difficult to innovate and multiply production in these areas - that said, communication and cooperation has allowed us generate new ideas (and avoid duplication) and this allows use solve more problems faster than ever before. (aswell as filtering information so we can find easily answers other's have come up with)

And TV is obsolete, i will never own one and a growing % of people would agree.
Dharmaton (2398 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"The pace of innovation has since greatly slowed." ok, sure, sure ... degenerated or degenerate, there's a delicious difference between - trick or treat!
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
@Putin

Your normal niceties aside, I just don't understand how you can say that.

There is not a single thing you can do in the US that doesn't involve a computer in some way.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"Oh, by the way, wikipedia articles are not used up when one person uses them, and gains utility"

Which is why wikipedia is worthless as a source of information, because it allows people to just make-up definitions of words as it suits them. So we can change the meaning of durable in order to make it meaningless. A durable good is a heavy mass market good that is built so that it will not be replaced for at least 3 years. It is not an encyclopedia entry on an open-source "dictionary".

"and value added to the economy"

I'm perfectly happy to focus on the value-added to the economy. Please inform me as to the value added to the economy as a percent of GDP that this industry has had.

Please don't condescend to me when you're trying to claim that wikipedia entries are hard consumer goods like home appliances.


"And TV is obsolete, i will never own one and a growing % of people would agree."

So because you don't own one it's now obsolete, huh? The product (televisions) made 30 billion dollars in sales in 2013 in the US, about the same as 2012.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
"There is not a single thing you can do in the US that doesn't involve a computer in some way."

That's an absurd statement. I'm glad I'm the one being called absurd when I have people claiming TV sets are obsolete, wikipedia entries are durable goods, and computers are so pervasive that absolutely everything is done with them in America.

My job doesn't involve a computer, for one. There is no reason I need a computer to apply ABA therapy to children or for children to get ABA therapy. Virtually any human service occupation can be done without a computer, and many are. That's just one example.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
According to this on pg 12 (http://www.bea.gov/scb/pdf/2012/05%20May/0512_industry.pdf) it appears pure Information and IT account for ~10% of GDP. That doesn't include other things like manufacturing of computer, or the benefit they have to other industries, such as health and finance, which make up around ~30%.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
@Putin

How do you get to your job? If it's with anything other than a bike, it has a computer in it.

Do you use electricity at your job? That's all monitored by computers.

Do you get paid? Again, computers.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Information accounted for 4.4% of value-added to GDP in 2011.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Yes, and Information-communications-technology-producing industries accounted for another 4.6%.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Oh, just realized that was a combination of other fields. OK, so just under 5% of GDP.
Putin33 (111 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
If you're going to go that route, fine. I can hike, ride a bike, go swimming in a lake, go sailing, take my dog for a walk, play baseball - all without computers.




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SYnapse (0 DX)
01 Nov 13 UTC
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My pledge to peace
Hi Mod team,
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 Oct 13 UTC
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Best Weapon Against Pirates...
...Culture?

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/britney-spears-songs-leave-somali-pirates-saying-arrr-174010868.html
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tektelmektel (2766 D(S))
01 Nov 13 UTC
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What to do when a noob doesn't understand the concept of a stalemate line?
Does anyone have any suggestions of what to do in game with a noob does not draw when there is an obvious stalemate line?
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krellin (80 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
e-Cigs / Nicotine Delivery System
See Below
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Draugnar (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Is more than two shakes...
... you know the rest. This and other questions recently posed can be answered inside. Not ethis is not graphic in the post nor is it in anyway a repost of the previously locked thread.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 Nov 13 UTC
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HELP ME
I was alone in my basement with the lights dimmed when the power went out. The room went pitch black. I was watching Halloween 4 - the TV didn't shut off for about 10 seconds even after the power went out.

Michael Myers is coming for me.......
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
30 Oct 13 UTC
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I just did the first school test that made me laugh out loud.
So I had to turn -254 into an 8-digit binary number. It took me about 10 minutes to figure it out and now I can't stop smiling :)

How fast would you guys figure it out? And what IS the answer? I just want to hear someone else saying it to be sure, before I can start learning French :)
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
30 Oct 13 UTC
1) Best James Bond movie & 2) Most underrated James Bond movie
I'm going for....
1) Goldeneye, for the incredibly strong come-back element and its way of weaving recent history into the plot + special effects that are not over the top
2) Living Daylights, I think Timothy Dalton never quite got the credit he deserved
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nudge (284 D)
01 Nov 13 UTC
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How good are Queens of the Stone Age?
this made me pick up my guitar for the first time in years-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E4S0XWPMgQ
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krellin (80 DX)
30 Oct 13 UTC
The Conjuring
....Surprisingly well done scare flick....and <sigh...> now we have two daughters that will be sleeping on the couch in our bedroom tonight...lol

Two days to Halloween!! What's your favorite scary movie?
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Slyguy270 (527 D)
01 Nov 13 UTC
The Purpose of This Thread:
Prepare to be Inspired...
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
WTF?
Are we just muting threads with no explanation as a matter of course, now?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
24 Oct 13 UTC
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Fecundophobia: Discuss
http://thefederalist.com/2013/10/22/fecundophobia-growing-fear-children-fertile-women/
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Is it sex...
.. if you are just doing it to relieve a rectal itch?

Despite OP being banned, I find this question legitimate, and would like to resubmit it for the consideration of the webdip community. That is all.
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blackflag (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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a better blankflag thread
- my close personal and well endowed - dont ask how i know - friend blankflag requested i clear up that the mods were posing as him
- visible evidence of melted steel is from the twin towers not 7
- nist once admitted melted steel from fires, but gave it up when real scientists proved it impossible. they changed it to softened, then gave that up and now just says weakened
- youre welcome
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SYnapse (0 DX)
29 Oct 13 UTC
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I've decided to update my profile
I've decided to update my profile
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Oct 13 UTC
Natick Public Schools
Details inside
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JoeBob (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
is it sex
if you are just doing it in an attempt to relieve rectal itch?
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BengalGrrl (146 D)
29 Oct 13 UTC
Thought for the Weak
"A family vacation is when you go away with the people you need to get away from" - Alfred E. Neuman (the greatest philosopher who never lived)
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shield (3929 D)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Points per supply center
Why does it tell me I get an equal share of the pot when own 40% of the board between 5 players?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
30 Oct 13 UTC
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Life's like punctuated equilibrium sometimes
Nothing happens for long periods of time and then things pile up.
Your take on the matter?
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SYnapse (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
Biankflag thread
"He was told to keep his bullshit to one thread (so that reasonable people like myself could mute it)" - Bosox
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bIankflag (0 DX)
30 Oct 13 UTC
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You can't kill an idea…
the elite tried to shut me down but you cant kill an idea!
have you ever wondered WHY building 2's pillars collapsed even though the fire SHOULDNT have been able to melt them?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
30 Oct 13 UTC
Paging Natick Public School Students
One of you created a fake blankflag account today. Your schoolgroup is already notorious for making multi's and cheating.

With that in mind, the person who made this account has 48 hours to come forward, or we're just banning the entire districts ip's. You will all be able to play from home, but not during class.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
So, I've got Rinne G NAS as my stud goalie in this auction draft I do every season...
...and he goes down with this hip infection. Gone for at least a month. So I pick up J.S. Giguere as he's the best goalie available, back-up status notwithstanding.
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