A typical house fire burns at 500-600 farenheit. Industrial grade office materials (the furniture and others) burnes signficantly hotter such that a typical office building fire reaches 700+ degrees, enough to weaken the steel and cause an eventual collapse.

I am sorry. I agree w/ MichiganMan, in that people that run contrary to the popular belief are generally vehemently opposed.

I also concur that it is worth checking out one of the many documentaries that have been done detailing the questions that are posed by the official story. Loose Change is probably one of the better known. I would recommend Zeitgeist, as it gives some interesting information about Religion, 9/11, and the Federal Reserve.

There is nothing harmful in looking at other information. You can always decide that you don't agree afterwards.

Granted, the last time I mentioned the movie Zeitgeist on a BBS like this, someone immediately compared me to Aluminum Foil Hat wearing types.

Why do conspiracy theorists always assume that you haven't looked into their conspiracy? I'm sorry, it's not so uber-convincing that to look at it is to believe it.

have you people seen this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

if it were possible, why was nist unable to create a legit model with it happening? they tried time and time again, weren't able to reproduce. so said "yes we have a model of it happening, but how we made that model is classified. just trust it, though, it's legit"

There is another thread up, please let this thread get back on topic (assuming people want to still talk politics)

Wtf happened here while I was at practice? I see I drew the crazies out of the wood work...

i don't understand! all the people on my side are not helping things at all! do not watch zeitgeist or loose change. both have garbage in them. both are used to discredit legit questions. besides my video is shorter. it's only a minute long or something like that.

but zeitgeist is the most bs of them all. probably funded by one intelligence agency or another. it throws out a bunch of garbage about 9/11 then says the solution is maoism. basically. so whoever made that video can suck it.

More useless ranting from bolshits I see.

Good points by both LakesFan and NikeFlash. Show over.

i don't understand you sarg. are you a cia asset or something? let's look for what the truth is here. that is the right thing to do. it's not about being on one side or the other, it's about the truth.

OK bolshoi, I watched your video. (It's five minutes). Thanks for linking it. It's completely crazy, and works in the same crazy ways as every conspiracy theory video. You're welcome.

everything stated in the video is cited in the description. it's all proven... so i don't know what is crazy about it. i didn't make the video, but i like it. ok it's 5 minutes. i should have looked at the length, but i decided to put that "one minute" after i already closed the tab, and was too lazy to open it again to see the length.

Really? Again with the useless ranting? C'mon man!

yep, nice video. Raises a million questions. Proves nothing.

Just like all the rest of them.

Long time no see yellow. So what's up?

@nike i wouldn't call what i'm doing ranting, but i think i will stop. i do want to get some stuff done. i was planning on cutting back on my foruming, but i love to argue so much i was tempted back in. but yeah, i have things i want to do besides this.

bah nothing. Amusing myself with the crazy talk.

Really!?!? You just cannot take a hint, instead you move on to ranting about ranting.

And you are inturrupting yellow's and my conversation.

Glad to hear it.

That last could be applied to yellow or bolshoi "cutting back"

@bolshoi, it loses all its credibility right in the first minute or two, where it mocks the idea of a sophisticated technological state being taken down by a few poorly funded terrorists with moderate training. Technology and power do not equal invincibility, or the ability to foresee every attack. The suggestion that they do is so fallacious and absurd that we already come to the second minute of the video trusting nothing about the narrator's perspective. And then it just goes downhill from there.

all the video does is show that the official story is wrong. it doesn't make claims as to what really happened. the mujahadeen, or alqaeda never had the capacity to pull off the attack, i'm sorry to say. if it were so easy to pull off, don't you think other intellingence agencies would do it all the time. hell if it were that easy to do, maybe it would be easy to frame some bogus terrorist group for the attacks as well... maybe.... oh wait a minute...

Why should I find somewhere else to live? That is like saying a person whose car has been car jacked, they shouldn't be angry or try to get it back, they should go get another car. I am a patriot, I love our Republic and what it stands for. The Republic has been stolen, usurped, hijacked. Jesus Christ?!? Jesus Christ?!? Yeah right, freakin' coward!

"all the video does is show that the official story is wrong"

Right -- I'm saying that it doesn't. AT ALL.

Pointless to keep arguing, semck83. These people are too invested in the idea of a conspiracy for anything to change their minds. It doesn't matter what evidence or convincing arguments they hear, in their minds they are privy to some secret knowledge. They feel smart about having figured out the lies which are allegedly being told to us all. This feeling of being smarter than all the "sheeple" is too important to their identity to ever give up.

And that's why MichiganMilitiaMan believes there were no planes used during the 9/11 attacks and bolshoi thinks the Mossad did it. In their minds that's what the truth is, and no amount of evidence will change how they feel. It's sad, really.

Thank you Invictus for putting into words what I have failed to be able to verbalize.

first of all i never said mossad did it. i just think it seems likely they had a hand in it. but who is really too invested in their idea of what happened? i keep saying i don't know what happened so we can't say for sure what happened. you people are the ones constantly saying the official story has been proven, it's clearly what happened, and to think otherwise is truthery.