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Zarathustra (3672 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Game: Reunification
Hey, I need two more people for a classic, very slow (7 day), WTA, full press, 50 point ante game. There are some newbies and some veterans (gryncat and I), all are welcome. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82423

PM me for password
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Vaftrudner (2533 D)
09 Mar 12 UTC
To you in For fun-20
Whoever you are that wants a pause - how are we supposed to talk to each other to unpause later in an anonymous gunboat? That's why I'm not voting pause and I'm sorry if I'm a dick.
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cteno4 (100 D)
09 Mar 12 UTC
Cheap WTA - 14D buy-in
gameID=82719
Anonymous players, 24h/phase. Obviously I'm in the game. Seven guesses which country I am; only six guesses for those who join.
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Chanakya. (703 D)
09 Mar 12 UTC
I m happy with my first live ...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82649
I think I am learning good...
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
24 Feb 12 UTC
EOG The Masters R5G6
>mfw Turkey owns France, Italy owns Britain

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/whats-going-on-in-this-thread.jpg
One of the best (and longest)games I've had the privilege of playing on this site. Though some people may have qualms over 3-way draws, if there was ever a good 3-way draw, this one is it.
I have a midterm in an hour, but will probably post my EOG later tonight
Wait...

nineteen THIRTY-FOUR

HOLY CRAP
I just skimmed it. Good luck in writing EOGs, and congrats to everyone involved, because that's by far the craziest, most ridiculous game I've ever seen.
Thank you Eden. If I hadn't voted draw and forced Germany's hand, it could've gone into the 1940s, because I know THM was prepping another solo run
But poor Italy, he was certainly used and abused by Germany and I throughout the years
*she

come on, 34 years playing with her and you couldn't remember to call a CountESS a she? :p
*she
Which makes my statement above all the more cruel haha
ulytau (541 D)
24 Feb 12 UTC
ITT: goldfinger boasting about being a chauvinist gangbanging pig. I bet you called her a girl as well, didn't you? At least bring on the EOG, should be interesting.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Feb 12 UTC
That was a pretty ridiculous game. Would be fun to read the EoGs.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Feb 12 UTC
England, what persistence! It seemed like you were under constant attack for 10 years.
Crazy game, will post my EOG when I get a chance. 34 freaking years' worth to cover so it may be a teeny bit.
lol ulytau +1
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Feb 12 UTC
The mods are really taking their time at banning obi's multi...
get out slutar, obi is my multi not the other way around
ulytau (541 D)
24 Feb 12 UTC
That's no suprise. They're still trying to read through the whole explanatory email obi sent them.
trying hard not to burst out laughing

...it's not working
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Feb 12 UTC
LOL @ ulytau.
And everything is capped.
So...much...press. Gahhh. (I read through my old press when doing EOG's)

Also, to put this in context for everyone else. This game started last June I believe. Yeah.
And we won't be hearing England's side of the story. Crazyter hasn't been on here in a month
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Feb 12 UTC
That's too bad because her side of the story must have been fascinating. How did you keep up with this game and not lose interest or go crazy? I hate games that stretch out forever, which is why I sometimes prefer live, FtF, or gunboat games.
It was interesting because I always had in mind how I was going to take my next shot at the solo and when I was on retreat, Germany was taking his text shot at the solo
And I was just waiting for my chance at the solo... ;-)
EOG from Germany

S01: I propose to E and F early attacks on the other. E is interested, F is too busy to respond. F seems busy in general, which makes E more interested in partnering with me. Italy and I talk, but do not share concrete moves. FG agree to DMZ Bur. My plan with E is that we arrange for DMZs in Bur and EC, then violate both on the first move for a rush attack on F. As an unexpected bonus, Italy moves Ven-Pie as well. E moves Lvp-Yor instead of Lvp-Wal which upsets me, but is still workable. RT look friendly.

A01: I apologize to F for entering Bur, blaming E's propaganda. I offer to retreat to Mun unless he wants help with Mar. F says we can bounce in Mar, and I agree. Of course, I'm really all about EG vs. F now and I guess he knows that because we bounce in Par instead. I support E into Bel as promised. R NMRs! Italy looks poised to go after F... but attacks Tri at the same time? And then doesn't build A Ven to help? Not sure what's going on there.

S02: EG cement our alliance and start really sharing in-depth strategy, excellent communications for years to come. Surprisingly, R doesn't use his new unit in StP to help contest Swe. Maybe he is too worried about antagonizing E (hello, there's already an army in Nor)? Things look jumbled in the southeast, and now EG have the advantage in the northeast. EG also have F outnumbered in the west, good times. GE agree to divide the board with G getting all of Scandinavia and R, E getting all of France.

A02: RT are fighting A, and I'm fighting R, so I guess that means I should help A. I can't tell what's going on with AI - some kind of Key Budapanto? Heading into the build phase, I tell R that I am thinking about supporting StP-Nor and he could go GoB-Fin to block the retreat and destroy the pink army. I build A Kie instead of A Ber to make me look less hostile. GE are still a very strong alliance.

S03: I convoy the new army (Kie or Ber, same difference) into Liv which should be R's death. EI are collaborating in Iberia, which is fine, the sooner to kill F. F has a rogue fleet in the north, which I don't mind (E's problem, not mine as long as he doesn't get to Nth). I tell E my one army in France is hers to command as she sees fit (since she is going to get all of France per our deal).

A03: This is a fun turn, as I knife both east and west at the same time. R can pretty much count on never getting back into War/Mos again. F's centers are divided. His presence in Nor is a good excuse for me to build a second fleet. It also conveniently eliminates the pink army that would have been awkward after I secured the north. AI are at odds, which means A should be dying soon, but I'm trying to be helpful diplomatically. T is starting to look strong. Italy suggests that next year I take Par, she takes Mar, and then we all head east together to deal with R/T. Nice try, third wheel. This is an EG game.

But at this point, diplomacy gets a little touchy with E (at least on my end). I didn't like the Wal-Lon move, which is the wrong direction for an upcoming attack on Italy and also blocks E's build in Lon. EI also just successfully collaborated in taking Spa and Por. I give the "we're golden as long as neither of us does anything stupid at this critical juncture" speech and E seems receptive. Still, I want her gearing up to go after Italy like I'm going after R. I've got to get E oriented more anti-Italy.

S04: I tell Italy I'm on board with her Par/Mar plan, but we should do Mar first. Really, I have no intention of taking Par because it is E's by agreement. I hatch a plan whereby I promise to double support Spa-Mar while Italy generally shifts east as part of EGI. I really do that, but the plan is also for E to steal Spa from behind, the better to force Italy out.

A04: EG are talking about equalizing SCs now and long-term alliance until the end of the game. We expand the plan to not only steal Spa from behind, but then force Italy out of Mar as well. I think we're over our rough patch, EG are back on track. I don't even really care that much what is happening besides the EGI dynamic. Nobody is threatening me and F should be dead within a couple turns. I'm still hostile to R, and ATI are all fighting him, which is nice.

1905: It basically becomes a four power game. F dies, R and A are hanging by a thread. EG are very strong allies.

1906: Now it's really a four power game. I'm trying to send one of my western armies back home while E is trying to clear out of Nth so we have a clearly defined division between us (except my one army in Gas that is being useful to E). We're making progress on Italy but I am worried we will not break through Gibraltar before T's fleets arrive. I'm trying to work on T to attack Italy rather than support her. My stalemate line east of Switzerland is shaping up nicely. EG are very strong allies.

S07: No doubt about it now, IT are sticking together. EG try to sort out a fake stab to stir things up.

A07: This is a critical turn. Under the EG plan, I am going to take a hit here and disband two units. EG have been strong allies all game. However, I conclude that if I disband the two units, I will never get to a stronger point than this, and the game is soon going to end up as a 4-way draw. Therefore, I stab E knowing that I am not going to be able to hold off EGI. Instead, the purpose is to shake things up and sacrifice E in the hope that after I get pummeled, someone else (probably T) will make a solo attempt and that I will have a chance to regroup and rebuild as everyone tries to stop that person. I really hate doing it, but they ran out of ruth at the store before I got some.

1908: After I do it, E is actually pretty understanding but thinks that the stab will result in a 4-way draw rather than prevent a 4-way draw. We discuss possible reconciliation but it doesn't happen. Then in A08 I have The First Error. This is one of two errors that I swear were not user error, but what can I do? I intended to enter War SH Gal, but the computer registers War-Gal and consequently I lose Gal. That's going to cost me Sev.

1909-S13: Though I fight valiantly, I get my ass kicked like I knew I would. But I'm biding my time, trying to keep up good relations especially with T.

A13: Here comes the opening I was waiting for. T makes his move. There are still four sizable powers, but I am now the smallest. The difference is that instead of four organized groupings like there were before I stabbed E, the west is now perforated with a mix of different troops. Time to rally, EGI better stop the T solo attempt!

1914-1915: Regrouping, rebuilding. By the end of 1915 I'm in good shape again and the other powers are starting to worry about me again. I try to convince E to attack Italy under the theory that she should want Italy to be the vulnerable one, but she won't do it.

1916: E NMRs both spring and autumn (but not in between, so no CD). I blame the NMR for my attack on E, but suggest we can still patch things up. E retreats to Edi instead of Ska/Hel, which is huge for me. Meanwhile, still wheeling and dealing with Italy and Turkey, keeping up relations.

1917-1924: No bones about it, I'm going for the solo and I feel good about my chances (unlike the first time, when I knew I would fail). I particularly enjoy a stretch run in there where it feels like I am destroying an enemy fleet every turn. I point out that E should have attacked Italy earlier, because now E is the vulnerable one (and getting smushed).

1925: Disaster strikes in The Second Error. This one is a heartbreaker because I really felt I had the solo in the bag. I know I ordered Cly-NWG to keep E sealed off, but the game registers Cly-NAO (which makes no sense) and E slips behind my lines. Just like that, it all crumbles away.

1926-1933: The downward spiral. I can't deal with an enemy unit behind my lines. I focus on finishing off E to restore the integrity of my defense, but at ruinous expense. It's a slow process, but I'm losing ground to IT. I keep trying to split them up, but no luck.

A33: Here we go again. T makes his move and GI quickly patch things up.

1934: Nice collaboration now between GI and T has no chance at the solo. I have stability and momentum again with two builds. If I can last a little longer and get units in place and perhaps another build or two, I'll be ready to hit Italy again and this time (barring another error), I may be unstoppable. Instead, after losing three units T votes draw. WIth only 11 units against a presumably combined 23, I bow to the inevitable and enter the third draw vote.

I really enjoyed this game, even though it lasted FOREVER. It's disappointing to draw because I really thought I had it in the bag until The Second Error, but I can't deny that Italy and Turkey deserved to be in the draw.

I still feel bad for stabbing E because I usually won't break a very strong alliance just to mix things up (as opposed to a stab to gain a clear major advantage or secure a solo) and we had some great collaboration for the first seven years of the game. In the end, it resulted in a 3WD which to me might as well have been a 4WD, but the difference is that in the process I had a legitimate shot at a solo which I very well may have converted but for The Second Error. Because the stab achieved me that legitimate shot, I still think in hindsight it was the right thing to do in a WTA tournament.

I mention tournament because I treated this game differently than I would a standalone game. I entered R5 chasing Dejan0707 for the tournament lead, both of us with two solos but him with the advantage. In that situation, another draw might as well have been a loss (assuming someone else didn't solo the R5 game and pull ahead of me). I was running out of time to make up ground on Dejan, so I pushed it more aggressively than I normally would. Of course, in the meantime Dejan went and solo'd another game to pull even further ahead...
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
25 Feb 12 UTC
What an interesting read. Dejan and THM. I have to improve my game to play with one or both of you one day.
THM - great EOG statement. I'll try and put something together during the next few days, but it will be nowhere near as comprehensive as that.

It was a crazy game - but really enjoyed it.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
26 Feb 12 UTC
Yep, when I read EoG's like that I realize how very far I still have to go.
I swear that I'll get mine up soon.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
01 Mar 12 UTC
Sorry but bumping this one because someone talked about bug with 31 replies...
bolshoi (0 DX)
01 Mar 12 UTC
hm... ok i do see steephie22's response. so who knows. maybe another bolshoism going on. (def: nonsensical error so far out of left field, nobody's sure what to make of it)
bolshoi (0 DX)
01 Mar 12 UTC
trolling mission accomplished
Finally, its done. This is a very long one, folks, if you can stomach the read.

1901-1904
I do some standard Turkish stuff in the opening. Try to talk to everyone, though Austria is immediately suspicious about my intentions to take Greece. He wants me to steer northward instead, though I keep pushing the Med angle and he’s just very very obstinate. In hindsight, I should’ve known it was Obi when he quoted Romeo and Juliet to me haha. Russia and I agreed to DMZ because I wanted to get as many fleets in the Med as quick as possible. It ended up being a good decision. Italy, uniquely enough, seems to be open to cooperation and DMZ’ing Ionian in 1902, which is a good sign.

Autumn, Austria shouts Jugger as loud as he can. I’m actually not talking to Russia too much though, and try to spread that to as many people as I can. In reality, we agreed on an early split of Austria and just didn’t talk because we tactically couldn’t help each other really. But Russia NMR’s this turn really ends up screwing me over for years into the future and Austria blocks me in anticipation. Surprisingly Italy moves into Trieste. What a break for me! Italy and I agree to DMZ Ionian by autumn 1902, and already we’re watching out for massive growth coming from E and G.

1902. Austria still isn’t having any of my talk of being friends, thinking that the fleet build means I’m automatically hostile to him. He tried to get me to build in Ankara and head north, but I tried to spin it off to him and Italy that it was going up to the Black Sea. Since Russia NMR’d, I believe he’ll definitely be an ally of mine, since everyone else is pouncing on him. I go to continue on with the Jugg (though in hindsight, I should have stabbed the hell out of him). Italy and Germany are still the only people talking to me on the whole board. The Ionian DMZ never happened, nor did a promised support into Greece. I’m going nowhere, but Austria is still in shit tons of trouble and I’m very safe

1903. I try to work something out with Italy where I move to Greece with his support and. The lack of any sort of communication from Russia is really hurting me now. We’re not exactly coordinating anything, and its preventing Germany from turning on England. I decide now is the time where enough is enough and I try to attack Russia. Austria offers support to Rumania, Italy asks for support to Rumania. I naturally decline Italy’s request and go for it myself, but Austria didn’t follow through. By fall, I’m really scared of E/G. I’m practically shouting to A and I to help me advance somehow, anyhow, to head of Germany in Russia. It’s a forgone conclusion that Russia has played a horribly noncommunicative game and deserves to die. Working with Italy is touchy though. She and I have both lied to each other, both promised supports to each other, etc. We have trust and communication problems, but we both see the future and before the fall turn decide to take out Austria. Germany continues chatting me up. In autumn Germany surprisingly takes Warsaw and its an uphill battle from here.

1904. From here on it turns into an E/G vs. I/T. An unlikely alliance, but a necessary one. Italy is going to be on the front lines so I support her into Serbia to guarantee her some more builds. Now the mopping up of the smaller powers is almost a formality, though I continually propose ways to keep each of them alive and useful, just so they’ll side with me and not E/G. But I still don’t have a way to expand northward. The most unlikely of all people, Germany, starts offering to help me out. Sure, I’ll take it, though he wants anti-Italian moves from me. I move into position to take Sev while Italy is having a rough year, with Austria promising (and failing to give) support. England also begins talking to me for the first real time, as all 4 of the major players begin to watch each other for solo shots.

1905-1914
1905. Move to take out Russia’s worthless fleet. Germany is advancing quicker than I thought, France is dead to the west and Russia is camping in Austria’s old centers. It’ll take a while to clean him out, but we will eventually. I try to convince E to stab G and G to go on a solo run. E/G is trying to get me to stab Italy, and due to some communication errors (Italy not logging in until 4 hours to go in autumn) I make a judgement call and move to Serbia and Aegean to try and push as far west as possible should Italy NMR/CD. Germany was more than happy to not tap Rumania as I had offered. But as it turned out, I had a lot of apologizing to do. I was, however, a major power with solo potential, so I was very happy. It also lined me up nicely to take Budapest next year

1906. Germany’s size is drawing glances from even England now, though he’s still proposing a EGT 3-way. Italy and I play the delicate game of trying to take out Russia and Austria while not letting Germany take any of them. We play it safe, but as a consequence we fail in the spring and Germany takes Sev. Italy requested a fleet build in Ionian, but I passed it off to Germany as an aggressive move. Germany is nervous about England’s fleet, England is nervous about Germany’s size. Italy wants to keep Russia alive, but I want none of that. I just want to grow and keep pumping out more fleets to push west to improve my positioning for a solo should I ever come into that position. I know I have to beat a stalemate line. So, I coordinate with Germany and get Bud for the build. Germany is really upset I didn’t go for Nap though.

1907. This is an awkward year. Both G and I were playing it safe. I didn’t want to lose territory to him, he didn’t want any rouge units getting behind my line. Most of all, I was trying to prevent Italy from getting nervous and botching everything up. England is pushing for an EGT, I’m pushing for an EIT. I called the German stab in Spring 1907, saying privately to him “To: Germany, from you) - Spring, 1907: Go to Norwegian and convoy and army into Edi” The response was “(To: You, from Germany) - Spring, 1907: Shhh, nobody is supposed to notice that. Pay no attention to the top of the board.” I keep mum to E and I about it, since I know Germany can’t solo, but I keep pushing for England to stab Germany.

1908. England wants a 4-way draw all of a sudden haha. My my how tones change quickly. I tell him the “Yeah sure!” speech, not being sincere in the slightest. Germany misorders with Warsaw, allowing me to gain Gal and get a HUGE advantage in the east. Not too much press other than tactics now. Very little strategy going on, with my fleet just chilling in Piedmont.

1909. I gladly give up Gal to take Sev and get another build, while Italy gains Bohemia (which guarantees that I’ll get Gal back in the fall). Shame to destroy a unit, but oh well. England is giving Germany a hell of a time with that fleet in Ska, while everywhere else E/I/T is advancing. Germany realizes he won’t solo and tries to encourage me to go for the solo run instead. I politely decline, saying I need War and Mos first.

1910. More armies for me to keep Italy happy and to build for a push into Russian territory. England is pushing for a draw, and I tell him I want a 3-way. Again, its mostly tactics going back and forth here. No strategies. By some miracle we got Silesia, and England promised to give Italy Marseilles, while Italy was talking about getting more of my fleets involved in the north.

1911. We lose Sil, and don’t even get anything out of it. I do finally get my fleet out of Rum, which was hampering me for some time. England is very cautious, and is starting to ask about what I think of Italy’s intentions, while Italy and I are just both gunning to push our units as far north as possible. I begin moving another fleet west with Italy’s blessing. With a complete stroke of luck though, Italy (unexpectedly) takes Munich! Germany begins feeding me doomsday scenarios with Italy soloing, which I don’t believe any of. I firmly believe that Italy doesn’t want to solo at this point. Convincing Germany to destroy Ukraine is futile, so my conquest of Warsaw and Moscow (which I have been waiting on as a pre-requisite to stab) is going to have to wait a bit longer. Here though, is where I ensure Germany that I will not let him die. I need him alive and fighting if I want a solo shot.

1912. I try to speed up the process of eastern conquest. I have Italy move to Silesia to set up me taking Ukraine in the fall. It all works well and though we lose both Munich and Silesia, England is making progress to the west and I have Ukraine! I also pass the major stalemate lines with my fleets and pass a trust test of Italy’s by passing through Tunis and not staying there. England, however, doesn’t like any of that, and is threatening to work with Germany again against Italy and I. Italy and I are as tight as ever, though my solo shot is coming soon.

1913. England gives me the benefit of the doubt and lets me keep advancing. I take Moscow, but in my zeal to get Warsaw, I lose Gal since I backfilled Ukraine. My only retreat is to the Italian Vienna. This presents me with a very, very interesting option. I’m sitting in Moscow and Vienna, and have fleets open to Portugal and Liv. I can go +4 and be on my way. While Italy and I negotiate a way for me to leave Vienna. I don’t know what I was thinking though. England had the convoy to St. Petes set up for the fall. Instead of letting him take it and putting Germany into a destroy position as well as getting an English army off of the island, I offer to support hold Germany instead. For some reason, I thought I could string along Germany for a year or two, and tried to get on his good graces. We colluded for the turn (as indeed I had been promising collusion for years) and we both gain. So while I did go up 4 centers and weaken my principle enemy (Italy) as well, I was much too weak in the north to hold my gains.

1914-1915
1914. England thinks that I’m trying to eliminate him for the 3-way,Italy thinks I’m soloing, but Germany clearly pulls them together an organizes a coalition against me. He tries to get a stalemate line going with me so we can both advance together, but after spring moves I clearly see that I am outmatched and my generosity towards Germany is not going to be reciprocated. Also, the choice of centers that were taken (2 English, 2 Italian) meant that I pissed off both of them and didn’t have much of any leeway in negotiations. They all thought I was full of shit (indeed I was) and it was a painful year, as I gave up my English gains (thought England would move Portugal back to Spain. Kicked myself hard after that one). I see after the spring moves that I will not come close to soloing, and begin to start my negotiations for peace with Germany and England to start off with. I guess wrong on supports and lose Trieste to Italy. In sum, bad tactics and the inability to foresee Germany’s moves were what doomed this solo run (story of the whole game actually). Germany offers a Mos-Vie swap and friendship in exchange for destroying Liv. Germany really wants to work together, but I am just too uneasy with it. I destroy Liv, but I really don’t want to work with him, because frankly I don’t trust him too much.

1915. I concentrate on punishing Italy, and in the process I lose lots of ground to Germany in the north, as well as stick a fleet in Adriatic (where it does become a pain for Italy). I am slowly getting on good terms with England, though he doesn’t take kindly to my request to pass through Spain and attack Marseilles. Waste of a turn for the MAO fleet. I’m getting pushed back very quickly and am starting to get scared that I’ll be eliminated. Italy hates my German-friendly disbands from last year, but Germany was the one who painted me a nice picture moving forward. I’m paying for those disbands though. I kick myself for misordering my move to Warsaw in the fall. I simply cannot get a read on how Germany is going to attack me and he’s completely ripping through my lines, gaining lots of ground. My talks with E and I, however, are beginning to bear fruit. Germany, meanwhile, is starting to spread rumors of an English run of the Med to get rid of Italy. I find out England was under the impression that I had wanted a 2-way draw with Germany. The lies that the German spreads! By the end of 1915, I’m telling Germany the tides have shifted and he’s the one people will be attacking soon.

1916-1932
1916. Consolidation. I’m very, very exposed and just trying to get the armies to the right places to cover the right units. I lose Budapest, but that doesn’t matter to me since I get to keep Rum and Sev. The German stab comes with the English NMRs. It looks very, very bad to the west. But with the German stab of England, my live is ensured and I begin looking to grow again. Germany keeps pushing that he wants Italy eliminated.

1917. The English NMR of last year is followed by an Italian one this year. Ugh, things are not looking good at all. In the fall, though, everything is much better. I’m missing lots of chances to expand because again I am being tactically cautious. I’d rather expand slowly and gradually than risk losing more center s to Germany. He’s looking awful close to soloing.

1918. Italy and I make some moderate progress, getting Trieste back. Germany and I banter back and forth. Italy and I finally rebuild our trust to let me use my fleets in more productive areas, though I wished I had moved towards Black Sea earlier.

1919. Things are looking up for Italy and I, with us steadily gaining ground, but England is quickly losing ground just as fast as we are gaining it in the south. It becomes a race. Germany realizes he can’t take us on in the south, but hopes that if he can take out England quick enough, he might still have the solo shot. Germany is also support holding his fleets, which is puzzling. England loses his last chunk of northern France, which is going to prove to be a huge headache over the next decade. What is more frustrating is that I told England the exact moves to do to keep both Paris and Brest, and he didn’t listen to me. Very frustrating times, for even though we are all trading ideas and plans, it doesn’t necessarily mean we all do what the other tells us to.

1920. More success for Italy and I to the east, but England is entering its death throes. Again, being more conservative, I opted to move to NAO inexpectation of a bounce, rather than Norwegian as England wanted. As a result, Edi is gone. This whole time Germany thinking that we’ll be moving as he would move, while in reality, our triple alliance is trying to be very conservative in our moves, defending rather than attacking. It bothers the hell out of him for the longest time.

In general, the next few years were just us exchanging tactics on how to foil the German and Germany always pushing for us to eliminate England. There was lots of frustration on both sides in regards to failed tactics and whatnot. We lost ground in England at a steady and agonizingly slow pace. Germany just kept destroying our fleets (and then laughing) but we just kept pumping them up there. My rouge fleet in Norwegian kept Germany’s fleets tied up long enough for our forces to gain ground in France. By 1923 though it was scary. We had started to learn Germany’s tactics, but were still being pushed back. We were at a stalemate in the east, and were almost pushed back to MAO in the west. We needed a miracle. And then, it happened. Spring 1925, England escaped into Norwegian Sea and relieved a lot of pressure from our front, since he had to pull back so many troops to defend against that one, tiny fleet. Germany up to that point was talking about wiping out England and then working on Italy, battling over the last centers for us to get the solo. After this though, his tone changed. His talk became much more like it was back in 1909 when he was being pushed back.

Though Germany has still gained quite a bit of ground, he’s mentally checked out (at least halfway) from this game after that misorder. We start pushing him back, with Italy convoying an army onto the mainland (that’s really what sealed the deal) and us moving up through France. In 1926 Italy and I decide its time to knock out England and we take away his last reserve center in Iberia. Then in 1928 Italy isn’t around for the retreats phase and the army is destroyed! But in 1929 we again put a fleet into Norwegian to harass Germany and I’m in France gaining SC’s. Since 1926 I’ve been contemplating a solo run and voicing that to Germany, trying to keep it interesting for him still. Indeed, it was still one hell of an uphill challenge and by 1930 I still didn’t see my window for the solo run.

1930, however, was a very important year. I gained significantly, but postponed a build to appease Italy, because he had to be getting antsy. Why I did this, I do not know. It turned out to be a huge mistake later on, because I kept postponing and postponing that build. Italy, however, was not postponing her builds. Italy had negotiated her way into taking Spain from me, among other things, and 1930-1932 saw Italy gaining centers disproportionately. By autumn 1932, I had had enough. Italy was getting far too strong. I was falling too far behind in the SC count, so I began talking to German on the exact ways of stabbing Italy and how likely he would be to come to my help. He said there wouldn’t be enough left of him to help after 1933. The fool of me believed him, and on top of that, I postponed the build yet again to keep Italy unawares.

Germany kept stressing that we had a stable line in the east and that we should work together after the stab. It all sounded so good the way he painted it. I actually stabbed exactly as he advised, though I regret not moving to Irish instead of NAO (oh, and for all the “we have a stable border in the east” talk, Germany moved into Gal the same turn I stabbed! The dirty double crosser!”). The idea was to force destroy as many units as possible from Italy while making a run for MAO and holding it for as long as I could until my fleets coming from Turkey had a chance to work through the other way into the Med. Too many things went wrong though. Italy was able to get fleets into the Med too fast and had another build coming. I couldn’t properly defend Greece from a retreat so had to postpone an attack on Ionian. If I had a unit able to defend Greece (like the one whose build I had been postponing) then I would have kept playing. But I saw that the next few years would be very poor for me. I probably put the draw vote in too soon, yes, but I meant to do it as a tactic to appease Italy. I was running short on time that day, so was unable to get in touch with and collude with Germany. So, lack of press ended the game, not a real stalemate. I could’ve taken all of Iberia the next year, but only at the risk of losing all of England to Germany yet again, and I didn’t want to risk any of that. So while the stab was good, I didn’t do enough preparation for it. My eastern side was too weak since I had been delaying that build for so long, among other things. It’s a shame that the game ended, because as I said, though I voted draw, I didn’t actually intend on drawing the game. Now, a few weeks later, I look back and think that I could’ve kept going, but oh well, whats done is done. A great, great game by all the final four players, and by far the longest one I’ve had on this site. Well done by all. It was great fun.
bumping just for THM
Haha, I'm the dirty double-crosser because you abandoned our stable eastern border so you could stab your ally Italy?

The best part of this game was destroying your fleets and then saying "Die, little yellow fleet!" in private press. :P

Thanks for the EOG, hope we can get some more.
I PM'd all the players, but Austria wasn't interested, Russia said it had been too long, and France and England never got back to me. I'm surprised Countess didn't post anything. I mean, we were talking the whole game so I pretty much knew your story, but I want to know Italy's side (basically struggling for survival for most of the game).

And yeah, our press was lots of good fun :)
Still trying to find the time to put together EOG - maybe in a few days...
bump for the Countess. Is Crazy, Obi, or any of the other players willing to contribute an EOG too?


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orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Mar 12 UTC
Tru Ninja - where are you?
we're missing you and everyone else wants to unpause :'(
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bolshoi (0 DX)
07 Mar 12 UTC
will obama tap hillary clinton?
for vp? also, will obama tap hillary clinton? discuss.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
08 Mar 12 UTC
Book of Mormon
Just got back from NYC where I watched Book of Mormon. If you're a fan of South Park, I cannot recommend you watch this highly enough.

There were a few people there who clearly had no idea what was happening and were horrified; it made it all the better.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Women's day
Happy women's day all,
Let's thank them for admitting that the rest of the year it's in fact men's day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day
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irvinklein (0 DX)
08 Mar 12 UTC
two player games
can I and my friend just play, like we each get 3/4 countries and play against each other?
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LakersFan (899 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
EoG Lavango
gameID=82603
Game will be ending in a few minutes, so people can post once it's finished.
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LakersFan (899 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
a 9/11 Thread
To Unhijack the President tapping Hillary thread. Please continue the dialogue from that one about conspiracy stuff here.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Mar 12 UTC
Stop the bullies......
....... I would be interested to know how many other people have been abused (or amused) by e-mails from the 'experts' on this site because they played in an anonymous game and the 'expert' didn't like something you had done, so waits until the end of the game to e-mail abuse.
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MrWhiskers (112 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Game Glitch
link: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=81163#gamePanel

I believe there was a glitch in this game. As you can see, in spring 1904, the fleet in rumania attacked the fleet in the black sea which was convoying an army into sev. this attack should have prevented the convoy even though it had support from Armenia.
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LakersFan (899 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Gotta be BS
Why are some people such idiots?

If a game starts w/ two CD's, and 1 other player misses a move for some reason, who in their right mind wouldn't just cancel or draw that game for sake of balance?
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Agent K (0 DX)
23 Feb 12 UTC
Ghost Ranking
So someone explain to me how a player like Dizzy (userID=34274) can jump to ghost ranking of 11 just from playing live games, when great players like Ivo, Crazyter, uclabb etc actually play real ones
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
08 Mar 12 UTC
Game 5: Sacrifice gameID=78707 EOG Statements
Did I beat Barn in getting this up?
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Court Jester (0 DX)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Austria bs Italy.
Ive been trying a strategy when I get Austria to surprise attack Italy off the bat. Ive mostly failed. Does anyone know of good results where Austria takes on Italy and succeeds in the first few years or is it always better to just go east and hope for a friendly Italy?
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Conor07 (942 D)
06 Mar 12 UTC
Forums
Quick Question. Why do people use the forums? Wouldn't you be able to both join games and learn the rules faster by just joining new games?
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DiploMerlin (245 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Why do some users have no statistics what-so-ever?
For example some profiles say they have no messages even though I know they've messaged.
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bolshoi (0 DX)
07 Mar 12 UTC
bolshoi rankings jan+feb
so you've all been waiting for them. i downloaded the 22 pages of live gunboat wta games on the standard map from jan+feb. and i ran them. these are the top 31 users. would have done top-30 but i recognized the name santosh. not sure if there's a bug in the code cause i don't think 2ndwhiteline should be in the top-100.
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santosh (335 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Panda Fever EOG
gameID=82589 Most arbitrary, but fun game I've ever played.
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Dcvin (100 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Cheaters
Checkout ancientmed40 gameID=82622
For a anonymous, no ingame messaging game. Egypt and Persia are obviously the same person on two machines, or two people working together. This was my first game on web diplomacy. What a disgrace!
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
08 Mar 12 UTC
Quick Question
If I have a unit in an SC that I occupied last turn but has not yet been completely captured yet, can I move that unit elsewhere, move another unit into the SC that I just occupied, and still get that SC?
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
07 Mar 12 UTC
Ten minute phases
Are the worst. I can't imagine playing 30 minute phases. Any idea why these game lengths exist? Four hours and its only 1911. Shoot me.
11 replies
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rokakoma (19138 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Boatgun-2 EOG
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LakersFan (899 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
Boatgun 2 EoG
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Check_mate (100 D)
07 Mar 12 UTC
New game 1 day phase starts in 24hrs
gameID=82598

In accordance with soem guidelines on etiquette I read a while back, I wanted to let everyone who joins this game know that two of my friends will be playing in it. We have pledged not to reveal to each other who is who.
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LakersFan (899 D)
06 Mar 12 UTC
In-Game Notes possibility?
Hey. Is there any chance that a notes function could be added to games? I think it would help some of us that don't generally write out elaborate EoG's to have the ability to include something, even if it is just terse notes like:

Russia didn't get bounced in Sweden in '01, what was Germany thinking?
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Chanakya. (703 D)
06 Mar 12 UTC
New to diplomacy... Hello to world.....
Some suggestion on how to play efficiently?
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