Edward Franklin... Black or white? The one I know is black.

And I am wondering if they wasted a bunch of hiring managers time and quite possibly got qualified peoples resumes passed over for jobs by sending bogus ones in for real jobs.

Well, back to prior assertions - any conservative capitalist worth his salt will hire a purple three eyed alien, regardless of their name, because it is an *economic* decision, not a race/gender decision.

I guess we still have too many Liberals running companies bypassing the "black" resumes because they're looking for something else, having met their 13.1% objective of black employment in the office.

'To decide on which names are uniquely African American and which are uniquely White, we use name frequency data calculated from birth certificates of all babies born in Massachusetts between 1974 and 1979. We tabulate these data by race to determine which names are distinctively White and which are distinctively African American. Distinctive names are those that have the highest ratio of frequency in one racial group to frequency in the other racial group.

As a check of distinctiveness, we conducted a survey in various public areas in Chicago. Each respondent was given asked to assess features of a person with a particular name, one of which is race. For each name thirty respondents were asked to identify the name as either “White”, “African American”, “Other” or “Cannot Tell”. In general, the names led respondents to readily attribute the expected race for the person but there were a few exceptions and these names were disregarded.'

But you two racists should keep on ignoring the study's actual findings, because the results are a problem for your ideology.

gavrilop - remember, *I'm* supposed to be the racist here....and yet *in my daily walk*as a recruiter not once have I ever considered the gender or race of a canddiate - I'm seeking talent for my cleint, not Liberal brownie points.

It is *only* the Liberals, it seems, who are hell bent on finding race and gender in everything and are *hyper-sensitive* to race and gender.

Do me a favor - find me the same study, but correlate it to the political leanings of the people reviewing resume, and the businesses they are in, how succesful they are, etc.

Go on linked in and look at the HR people out there -- you will find lots of young women -- these, demographically, are typically people that are leaning to the left poitically...

So...Ill make my assertion again - if you study is true, it's the Liberals at fault, not conservatives.

Yes...racism and sexism exist. Typically and most blatantly it is found amongst White Liberals out to save the world from the poor, pathetic minorities and women that just can't make it on their own....but that's only if they feel like helping that day. After all, we don't want to *really* solve the problem and lose our agenda item, right?

Conservative ignore issues and live their lives with moral principle.
Liberals hyper focus on the issues they "care" about and create the problems they claim to want to destroy.

Regarding resume - I have seen this: I've seen *duplicate resume* sent to me with different names on them...those I ignore, "black" or white names attached...

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=850170#850170

Yup...I have an issue with black "leaders" like Spike Lee...these are the blacks that think that "nigger" is a special word that, when used by a non-black should cause race riots, and yet is the same word that they use daily, in their hip hop culture, that I can hear freely when I purchase music...

So when Spike Lee uses a word like nigger, I reject the notion that *I* am not equally free to use the word. When Spike Lee tried to start a riot and have an innocent man lynched, he was acting like a nigger. This is an *individual* judgement on a worthless human being....who just so happens to be black. But I'm using *his* word against him.

This has absolutely nothing to do with how I go about hiring and firing people. It has absolutely nothing to do with how I go about my daily commerce and interact with every individual around me.

I'm *glad* you found that tirade offensive...IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

The problem with morons like you is that you find *my* use of the word nigger offensive, and yet you segregate an entire group of citizen - black - and tell them with a wink and nudge that it's OK if they use it...and you can't even see how incredibly racist, and incredibly divisive it is to set apart a group of individuals and excuse their bad behavior. And *why* do you excuse their bad behavior? Because of...wait for it...their skin color.

Next thing you'll be asking them to use their own drinking fountains...

@krellin

With regard to black people's names, they just make shit up.

"Les caw dis won Gyzellmogoulo"

Oh - I just interviewed him. Nice guy.

Krellin, you are faced with evidence that this society is racist, and yet you say: "because I do not behave in a racist fashion, there is no racism."

This is equivalent to a non-slave-owning white in 1845 saying that slavery is not an ethical problem because he himself owns no slaves.

That's a ridiculously simplistic dichotomy. You can't just shut your eyes and pretend that doing so makes the gross injustice of the world you live in go away.

Thucy -- No - I have not said there is no racism. I have said racism exist *primarily with Liberals*

Racism also exists within the black community towards whites, I might remind you.

But as for most conservatives I know, when it comes to bunsiness adn profits, that is the motivator, not gender or race.

Again....and I know *reading is hardsss*...I offered you a suggestion as to why there is discrimination in who reads what resume....please examine those reading the resumes, and I suspect you will find overwhelmingly that they are young, idealistic LIBERALS...

Your study is shallow and meaningless.

Tell me - are professional sports racist? Because there is a complete lack of correlation between the racial make up of pro sports and society, leading one to believe that either:
1. Blacks are far superior - read different - physical specimens than Whites....which has reallllly interesting connotations, doesn't it? Underprivileged black kids excel athletically despite the lack of money white kids have for training, etc...Ewwww....
2. Pro sports are racist and choose blacks over whites

So OK...yes...there is racism in society...as we *both* agree and I have never denied...I just more concisely define WHERE it is....as I have been doing over and over and over again. Racism lives and festers within LIBERAL America....where there is an economic motivation to CONTINUE to have bad race relations...

In Conservative America Where we more often find religion and the ascribed morality of all men are created equal, and where we find a profit motive in business that says you make money off the best talent and ambition...in this conservative America, racea and gender are meaningless. Every individual is a tool to use to grow my business, .

It is YOU, Mr. Liberal White Male, That *constantly* tells me where and how racism exists ARUOND YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS. Ever start to think that is you jackass racist Liberals that are the problem? Maybe the reason you see racism everywhere is because YOU are the racist, you and your friends? My friends and family don’t behave the way you describe, and I’ve *never* worked for a business where we hire and fire by skin color – at least never in front of me. So...you can have your study...it makes good fuel for the fire when you are trying to incite riots (as Liberals are known to do...you know, the bet way to soothe race relations is ALWAYS to provoke riots and foster hatred...the Liberal #1 Play...)..but in my world, in the automotive business world I live and work in, I don’t see it.

> Yup...I have an issue with black "leaders" like Spike Lee

And you are very eager to use anti-black slurs against him. Because you are a racist. Funny, you aren't so eager to use anti-white slurs against white people you disagree with. You have a particular delight in hurting black people with racial slurs.

> you segregate an entire group of citizen - black - and tell them with a wink and nudge that it's OK if they use it.

No I don't.

"Racism also exists within the black community towards whites, I might remind you."

I addressed this, please re-read my post at the top of page 4. You can control-f for "reverse racism" to find it quickly.

As to your assertion that liberals are more racist than conservatives, please have a look at this:

http://projectimplicit.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/implicit-race-attitudes-predicted-vote-in-the-2008-u-s-presidential-election/

Implicit race attitudes predicted vote in US elections - those with a preference against black people were more likely to vote for John McCain.

Interestingly, Republicans were also more likely to vote for John McCain.

But I am not making any claims about what political philosophy is more racist. What concerns me infinitely more than left-right ideological battles is the racism that is pervasive in every corner of America.

Unlike you I am not interested in point a finger and deflecting blame saying "THEY'RE the racist ones, not me!!!"

It is so much more complicated than that, as I described on the top of page 4. It is a systems problem as much as a problem of individual racists.

The political system, liberals and conservatives, is racist. The economic system, populated by liberals and conservatives, is racist. Most of all, and most vexingly, the social sphere, populated by liberals and conservatives and people who don't care about politics, is racist.

This is the problem we are discussing here. Don't try to artificially politicize it.

You claim you have nothing to do with racism. But you do. You live in a racist country. You yourself could be clean as a whistle. But if you do nothing about the racist system you take part in, you're falling short.

You're white and so you have white privilege. You don't have to intentionally leverage it to have it, to be wielding it.

You fail to understand this, I think, because it would necessitate you to act differently and consider questions of race.

You accuse me of inserting questions of race into every context.

The fact that you do not is a manifestation of white privilege. White people can ignore race if they want because they are not racialized by society - they are unmarked, dominant, in society.

A black person however is immediately racialized.

Here's an introduction to the General Social Survey.
I know krellin is incapable of following along, but Thucydides, try this. It's interesting.

http://sda.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/hsda?harcsda+gss12

Put MARBLK in the Row; POLVIEWS in the Column; scroll down and press "Run the table."

6.5% of extremely liberal Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
9.1% of liberal Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
9.6% of slightly liberal Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
15.2% of moderate Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
15.9% of slightly conservative Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
21.4% of conservative Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.
27.5% of extremely conservative Americans would strongly oppose a close relative marry a black person.

> Unlike you I am not interested in point a finger and deflecting blame saying "THEY'RE the racist ones, not me!!!"

Oh, well then maybe you won't find it very interesting after all. ;-)

But I do think it's worth investigating why conservatives are more racist than liberals, as long as this is not used to deflect all criticism from liberals. I think we're probably on the same page there.

"...And you are very eager to use anti-black slurs against him. Because you are a racist. Funny, you aren't so eager to use anti-white slurs against white people you disagree with..."

REALLY?!?! Have you not read *anything* I've written on the forums??!!? LOL Good god, I fly frely with insults to ANYONE that I find requires and insult! "Cracker" just doesn't come off as a good insult, but fucktard douchebag does.

As for my use of the word "Nigger" towards individuals liek Spike Lee...yup, itis directed in those comments *specifially* to be offensive...and it is ALSO used *specifically* to DEMONSTRATE THE HYPOCRISY OF THE SYSTEM. All you cracker asshole liberal morons play right in to the racist game....you provide special foregiveness to those poor illiterate blacks, because they don't know any better than to not use bad words. Awww....do you rub them on the head and tell them it'll be OK as you are treating them like a superior white man? Yes....let's hold our silly little black friends to a differnt standard. What? You got in a fight? Awww...that's whity's fault. What? You said nigger in another hip-hop song? Ohhh...hee hee...wink nod...we'll just look that over...By the way...YOUR drinking fountain is over there, Negro...

Nope...if nigger is good enough for the blacks to use, it's good enough for the white to use. I'm DONE playing the racist game.

"...Implicit race attitudes predicted vote in US elections - those with a preference against black people were more likely to vote for John McCain...."

Clearly then we are not a racist nation...Obama got elected twice, dumbass.

and please...some douchebag throws up a "study" on wordpress and you think it's gospel..

sigh....I can find you a study to support ANYTHING I want...

But again...YOUR PROBLEM Mr. Noble White Liberal Male is that you apparently spend every fucking waking moment looking up studies on how racist everyone is, and then you apparently spend the rest of your time telling everyone how racist they are...thuse **fomenting** ideas of racism in everyone around you...because, as you yourself have cited, your personal life is *FULL* of individuals behaving in racist ways.

It's you, my friend, that is the racist, creating racism everywhere you go.

***other random anwers to your bullshti -- I'm not trying to artificiall politicize anything...EVERYTHING we are talking about is highly policitial....the politics of race START in the White House, and then the sheep like you carry it on. The press take a minor open-and-shut case and turned it in to racial violence. In other words, once again GOOD LIBERALS stoked the fire of racial animosity IN THE NAME OF RACIAL HARMONY and have caused race riots and violence. LIBERAL RACE POLITICS cause more racial violence and hatred than just about anything in this country.

YOU KEEP SHOVING IT IN PEOPLE FACES, YOU keep telling everyone how bad they are, how mad they should be, how much they should do to get back at those that oppressed their great grandaddy...and then you plead innocence when the racial violence YOU CREATED occurs.

Fuck off, thucy.

Stop promoting racism, and it will die. Stop acting like a Superior White Male, and people will stop wanting to beat yoru face in. It's pretty easy.

"But I do think it's worth investigating why conservatives are more racist than liberals, as long as this is not used to deflect all criticism from liberals. I think we're probably on the same page there. "

They're not. conservatives are not the ones constantly remiding blacks and women how inferior they are. conservatives are not the ones constatnly telling people how bad they are...how mad they should be...organizing violent gatherings in the street which *promote* racial division.

Obama got elected so there's no racism.

Sure. Yes, solving racism is as simple as electing a black president.

Come on krellin. I'm done insulting you, you're smarter than that.

> Good god, I fly frely with insults to ANYONE that I find requires and insult! "Cracker" just doesn't come off as a good insult, but fucktard douchebag does.

Funny, you aren't so eager to use anti-white slurs against white people you disagree with.

> As for my use of the word "Nigger" towards individuals liek Spike Lee...yup, itis directed in those comments *specifially* to be offensive...

Yes, you specifically have a particular delight in hurting black people with racial slurs.

> those poor illiterate blacks

So you think black people are illiterate.

> you segregate an entire group of citizen - black - and tell them with a wink and nudge that it's OK if they use it.

No I don't.

> They're not. conservatives are not the ones constantly remiding blacks and women how inferior they are.

Oh really? Then why are conservatives more opposed to their close relatives marrying a black person?

@krellen " Can somebody please tell me what a "black" person's name is?"

A name that begins with "sha", "le", "la" or "tre" that has never been used prior to 1960 (shannon doesn't count). The presense of a "Q" or an catastrophe is also a giveaway. Examples include:

La'trell, shaquille, lebron, shaniqua, Trevon, Lemar, ja'nell, latoya, tre'cetera

I tell you who I hate. Fucking firemen, running around saving people from fires and all. Some of those saved are unconscious and clearly didn't asked to be saved. Fucking racist firemen. And what about doctors thinking their white medicine is better than witchcraft, fucking racists. And people who put street signs up, going around telling people which direction AND how far away someplace is. Did anyone actually ask people if they wanted to know this info? NO- fucking racist the lot of them.

I just want to declare that any views I offer on inter-racial relationships cannot be viewed as objective as I married a black woman, feel free to regard them with the complete bias that they are delivered with.

Nigee claims to be all enlightened in racial matters, but I'd bet good money that he'd be extremely opposed to his wife marrying a black man. Disgusting double standards!

I disagree that people use his alcohol issues when debating issues with Krellin, that does not define him as a person and is used as an insulting slur on his character.
In the same way using the word nigger is also used out of context in an insulting way, adds very little to the debate either way. If people want their views to be taken seriously surely you have to overcome the silly racial slurs and name calling.
Or maybe it is nothing to do with being taken seriously but just venting anger, I can see how that works also, different strokes for different folks !!

@Oct - obviously not while she is arrived to me, but if we divorce I would wish her the best health & happiness, it is hardly a race issue as she is a black woman, her re-marrying a black guy would be no great shakes. You may have a point but I think I may have missed it.

Arrived s/be married, how cool is predictive text