@uclabb:

To be or not to be, that is the question

"To be" verbs, that is.

;)

Yes, that should've been "bad" and not "badly."

So, fail on my part, doubly so given the context... :)

Oh I used the wrong word. I meant undernourished... borderline starving. If I remember my UN correctly, it was one third of the globe.

^
Zmaj:

If I remember it correctly from this semester, it is something like 2/4 or 1/3 of the world population that's below the International Poverty Line, sort of related...

Naturally, being below a certain equatorial line--much of Latin America, Central to Southern Africa, and much of Asia--increases your chances of being part of that statistic.

You shits who think losing weight is easy when the Adonises and Venuses make fun of you when they think you can't see them (there are mirrors everywhere meatheads) don't realize how discouraging it is. So the fact a gym is offering someone like me a friendly environment to work out in is a blessing and to be applauded.

And for you who think fat is the same as lazy, fuck you. I walk 6 miles 3 times a week and do anaerobic exercise the opposite days, taking Sunday off to recouperate (although still working on the house and yard). Lunch is usually Chipotle's chicken salad or a salad at BJ's or O'Charley's and dinner is typically low fat and low carbon. I am a diabetic and have hypothyroidism (the two oft go hand in hand) and guess what! Both conditions are *genetic*. So stuff it up your skinny asses. /thread.

Type 1 diabetes is a tough gig and I empathise with anyone who has to constantly manage their sugar levels.
I am 21st 10 lbs which is 304 lbs in American. I know how to lose weight, healthy diet and exerise ...... simples !! I think we all know. Being skinny and constantly worrying about your weight has its own problems, if I see a skinny person in the West I think athlete or person with an eating disorder

Draugnar, you touched me, man. You touched me with your big greasy hand! Yuck! Let's just say everything is genetic, from ignorance to criminal tendencies, and we can all live happily knowing this is the best of all possible worlds.

"You shits who think losing weight is easy when the Adonises and Venuses make fun of you when they think you can't see them (there are mirrors everywhere meatheads) don't realize how discouraging it is."

Didn't say it was easy.

Just like it isn't easy to pass a class when you feel like the only one not getting the algebraic formulas on the board an d taking a test while Einsteins (er, he was actually bad at test taking, let's say Hawkings) all around you finish early and easily.

BUT...and this is the crucial point...

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS--AND YOU DO IT ANYWAY.

That's part of the challenge, and to shy away from it and feed off your insecurities rather than conquering them isn't something I'm going to endorse, and I'm not going to scold those smarter or fitter than I for daring to work out or take a test in my presence.

On a related note:

You know, I think we ought to do away with playground sports for kids!

Those kids who stay at home all day playing Nintendo shouldn't be made to feel bad (HA! got it right that time, BAD, NOT BADLY!) for their lack of exercise and fitness by the kids who actually go outside and play football after school...

That's just bad for self-esteem!

And you know what else is bad for self-esteem?

Losing!

I mean, how awful must those New Jersey Devils feel right now, losing the Stanley Cup to a team that earned it...

They should SHARE the Cup, I mean, we're ALL WINNERS, RIGHT?

So, no more winning and losing in sports, it makes the other teams feel bad!

And, let's bee really progressive:

NO MORE LOSING IN DIPLOMACY!

EVERYONE--DRAW SPRING 1901 AT 7 PLAYERS SO *EVERYONE* IS A WINNER AND *NO ONE* HAS THEIR SENSE OF SELF-ESTEEM HURT!

dude. the gym has the right to do whatever the fuck it wants membership-wise, for whatever the fuck reasons they want. you're actually *hearing from people who themselves believe they would benefit from this (Draugnar).*

this is seriously no different from making fun of music or art you don't like. if you don't like it, don't partake in it. but if people genuinely feel that this would help, and it doesn't affect you at all (hint: it doesn't), what the *fuck* does it matter to you? just shut the fuck up and leave them to improve themselves however they wish. I'm honestly blown away that you can even bring yourself to give a shit.

and more generally - overweight people have problems in today's society. underweight people have problems in today's society. people at perfect weight have problems in today's society.

instead of pointlessly trying to paint some groups' problems as somehow less legitimate than other groups', why don't we just all acknowledge these problems exist and work together to fix them? that's not mutually exclusive. you don't have to choose between fighting a superficial culture that pressures people into dangerous anorexia or fighting THE SAME DAMN CULTURE that mocks and ridicules people for being of an unhealthily high weight. it's the same culture, with the same twisted priorities, that needs to be fought, for the sake of both groups. as long as you all sit here trying to prove one side has it worse, you're just dividing yourselves and allowing yourselves to be conquered by the same stupid culture that dehumanizes and ridicules all of you.

so seriously, y'all chill the fuck out and work together to fix both sides of the issue. let them have a gym if they think it will help and think of what you might want for your own problems. but stop it with the competing tragedies shit. you're just devaluing everyone's legitimate pain and suffering without working toward a solution to any of it.

Ah I see Zmaj.

For those who aren't aware:

Undernourished = lack of enough calories, not enough food to eat, starvation
Malnourished = not getting enough of all the kinds of nutrients, i.e., deficiencies in diet. Many, many people suffer from this for various reasons.

Both are problems in "starvation" situation you hear about on the news, but both are problems in the US of A, too.

How many of you sociopathic fat-haters live in an urban area? Like an actual urban area, not the ex-burbs. Probably none. How many grocery stores do you see in the inner city? None.

"It is then, squarely, *your fault* that you're unfit, when the package itself screams to any rational person"

I'm sorry, what? Is a self-satisfied thin person who admittedly doesn't eat food lecturing people about nutrition?

Yeah sorry, you're like Dr. Atkins lecturing people about taking care of your kidneys.

How many times is Obi going to call fat people losers and diseased while simultaneously claiming he doesn't hate fat people?

...I'm sorry, Putin:

You must've misplaced your reading glasses again.

I DID NOT call fat people losers, just people who don't try at all to stay in shape.

Do you care to disagree there--care to say that people who do not pay any attention to what they eat or what kind of shape they are in and put themselves at humongous risk of disease and death--possibly while supporting a family, so well done there, risking early death AND impoverishing your family just because you couldn't be bothered to take care of yourself and be responsible--are winners and not losers?

And, again--

DOCTORS are calling obesity a disease in this country...

There is data and men in white lab coats suggesting obesity may be a disease.



DO YOU have a PhD, Putin?

Care to disagree with, you know, the people who do have them?

"impoverishing your family just because you couldn't be bothered to take care of yourself and be responsible--are winners and not losers?"

I'm sorry I keep hearing this buzzing noise from someone who doesn't even bother to eat. I think it has something to do with him lecturing people about taking care of themselves again.

"DOCTORS are calling obesity a disease in this country..."

And the Center for Disease Control was forced to severely cut back the numbers of deaths they attributed to obesity (from 400,000 to 110,000, a huge scandal of a reduction), suggesting the power of fat-hate has cooked the books on the data regarding this issue. And "doctors" still use the fucking BMI, which considers 6'1 people who weigh 140 lbs to be of 'normal weight', while suggesting that over half the NBA is 'overweight'.

"I'm sorry, what? Is a self-satisfied thin person who admittedly doesn't eat food lecturing people about nutrition?"

That being my tagline version...

I believe if you read the transcript of,..whatever discussion that was, I say I don't eat that much, mostly noodles and some meat and vegetables, just whatever you need to get by, no real sauces or cheese or anything...

But yeah, I don't eat a lot, but clearly enough to keep living, and pasta, non-red meat and veggies all being healthy foods, and NOT McDonalds...and the fact that I walk during the semester quite a bit to catch buses and walking home and such, as I don't drive...

Yeah--I'm not Mr. Universe, but I think qualify as at least somewhat "fit" (and certainly more mentally fit than someone so insecure who have their "morale lowered" at the very sight of a physically-successful person, and YES, I DO say that if you're physically fit you're physically successful Putin--I'm sorry, but being able to take care of yourself and NOT being at risk for heart disease, diabetes, and all of that counts as physically successful, as that increases that chances of survival, and as our good friend Mr. Darwin will tell you, those more fit to survive will tend to breed and pass on their genetics and be successful...

There's a reason why Western heroes are generally physically fit, and why everything from the Greek legends to ancient cave paintings to the Bible--the BIBLE, for Heaven's sake, even gets this right--depicts one of the most common rewards of a classical hero as being a line of descendants...being able to be fruitful and multiply...

True of the Greek heroes...
True of Abraham and David...
True of Banquo, even, from "Macbeth," begetting kings but not being king makes him not as great as Macbeth but, in the Witches' words, greater still...

And ALL those heroes are physically fit, and thus are able to get wives--or, in recent works, a female getting a man in the world of Austen and the Brontes--and pass on their genetics, or at least that's what's implied with their hopes of marriage.

Physically Fit = Successful Genetically and Physically.

Obesity--so sayeth, you know, those with degrees--is potentially a disease, and lessens your chance of success and survival, which everyone down to Darwin will say is bad and NOT being successful.

So unless you're going to argue that self-destructive habits are, in fact, a PERFECT way to live and indicative of a winner...)

In what world is pasta healthy? It's a massively starchy food that is hard to digest and the sauces are chock full of sugar. That's what you call nutrition? Pasta is about one of the worst foods you can eat.

"s that increases that chances of survival, and as our good friend Mr. Darwin will tell you, those more fit to survive will tend to breed and pass on their genetics and be successful..."

And what progress you have made towards 'breeding' and passing your 'successful' pasta-eating genes to your offspring?

".being able to be fruitful and multiply..."

I repeat my question.

"Obesity--so sayeth, you know, those with degrees--is potentially a disease, and lessens your chance of success and survival, which everyone down to Darwin will say is bad and NOT being successful."

Last I checked plenty of large people have healthy offspring. I can't say the same for you. So who is the loser here?

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

"In 2008, medical costs associated with obesity were estimated at $147 billion; the medical costs paid by third-party payors for people who are obese were $1,429 higher than those of normal weight."

And that's great for everyone, right?

"By state, obesity prevalence ranged from 21.0% in Colorado to 34.0% in Mississippi in 2010. No state had a prevalence of obesity less than 20%. Thirty-six states had a prevalence of 25% or more; 12 of these states (Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia) had a prevalence of 30% or more."

"Approximately 17% (or 12.5 million) of children and adolescents aged 2—19 years are obese. Since 1980, obesity prevalence among children and adolescents has almost tripled."

Nope, you're right, Putin, not a problem at all, these people should not worry about taking care of their bodies whatsoever...

I mean, self-esteem is much more important than a little thing like contracting diabetes as a child or setting the nation as one of if not the most obese nation on Earth...and given how much obesity already taxes our already-taxed heathcare system and all...

HA!

No, that's not something we need to worry about at all...

If you're 80 lbs. and follow that old Roman standard of Gorge-N'Puke via the vomitorium, well done!

If you're 300 lbs. and the closest you've come to eating a vegetable is the pickle in your Supersized Big Mac and the closest you've ever come to exercise is walking across the yard to get more ribs to put on the grill...

Well done indeed!

BOTH groups are equally and horrifically unfit and will suffer terrible medical consequences which will hurt themselves, will hurt their loved ones, will hurt their co-workers that depend on them, and hurt the health care system that will have to take care of them...

But hey!

They're STILL winners, right, Putin...we wouldn't want anyone to feel BAD, right?

(In related news, if you never plan to work a day in your life and plan to skate the system and let others take care of you and pick up after your mistakes if you get into drugs and alcohol while you show no concern for yourself or others while harming your body in the most hedonistic manner possible...YOU TOO are a winner under the Putin System of Fake Self-Accomplishment...

Where everyone's a winner...unless you're an actual winner, in which case, you're an evil capitalist success that's making others feel bad and need to be cut down to size for daring to actually succeed in life and care about taking care of ourselves and others!)

"In what world is pasta healthy? It's a massively starchy food that is hard to digest and the sauces are chock full of sugar. That's what you call nutrition? Pasta is about one of the worst foods you can eat."

http://www.foodnutritionscience.com/index.cfm/do/monsanto.article/articleId/493.cfm

"n international committee of scientists and food authorities recently met in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to review updated research related to the role of healthy carbohydrates in a balanced diet. Together, these experts, representing 13 countries, issued a joint Scientific Consensus Statement on the Healthy Pasta Meal.

The group concluded eating a variety of healthy carbohydrates, fats and proteins tailored to individual preferences and lifestyle is essential. They also confirmed that healthy carbohydrate foods, like pasta meals, do not cause obesity, and made the recommendation that doctors, nutritionists and other health professionals should suggest varied and balanced pasta meals to their patients for good health.

At a time when weight gain has become cause for grave public health concern, the lesson is this: Never underestimate the value of a common sense plan for healthy eating."

Hmmm...

Doctors say it's healthy...Putin says it's terribly unhealthy...

Gotta go witht eh doctors again (and recommend a Health 101 class for you, Putin.)

Aaaaaaand I'm done, Putin, debating this with you, until you acknowledge that at least.

Because...well, the second you say "Pasta isn't healthy," you come off the same as someone who tells me Romeo and Juliet live happily ever after...namely--

Someone who doesn't know a thing about what they're talking about, and needs to acknowledge that fact and recognize they're just not quite ready to mount that high horse yet, and so they really do need to get down off it.

If you think constipation causing processed foods are 'healthy', then it must be true.

"http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html"

Right, so you're citing the organization that admitted to inflating the dangers caused by obesity by 400% as the authority on the 'costs of obesity to our healthcare system'. Keep on trotting out every single myth used to fuel fat-hate, which you still claim to not be full of.

Keep on lecturing people about taking care of their bodies, while you brag about how you don't eat and don't like food. Another self-satisfied thin person looking for excuses to be a bigot. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

@Obifuck - "Yeah--I'm not Mr. Universe, but I think qualify as at least somewhat "fit" (and certainly more mentally fit than someone so insecure who have their "morale lowered" at the very sight of a physically-successful person"

So you are mentally more fit than me because I have some insecurity about my physical appearance as a 46 year old who weighs 260? Bwahahahaha! How abouyt your fucking wet-your-pants because you can't understand the relationship between Distance, Velocity, and Acceleration... You have no room at all to make that claim. *Everyone* has insecurities and just because mine are oriented about physical does not mean you are more mentally fit than me. In fact, your own superiority complex makes it pretty clear that you have a deep seated insecurity that you are actually inferior to me. It's a sort of mental Napolean complex. Your id feels you are inferior so you have to try and tear others down to make yourself feel superior.

It would be even more laughable if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.

@Obi - pasta *isn't* healthy. It is so loaded with carbs that it can trigger diabetes if you have a genetic predisposition. Additionally, white refined flour and store bought pasta (a product of the white refined flour) have been linked to heart disease and have nearly all the essential nutrients bleached out, even after enrichment.

http://www.askmen.com/sports/foodcourt/39_eating_well.html

So once again you show how woefully uninformed you are *and* how obstinant and *superior* you have to make yourself feel by telling people who no more than you that they are wrong.

@Obitard - "Obesity...lessens your chance of success " - Gee. I wonder why? Maybe because of FAT DISCRIMINATION! Fuck you are dense. First you say it doesn't exist then you point to lack of success (caused by that discrimination that doesn't exist) is a result of being fat. You really are a mental fuck up aren't you.

And if you think the lack of success is due to something else, please explain. For you see, weight has nothing to do with mental ability and most truly successful people are successful because of their minds. Note I said most, not all. Clearly athletes, actors, and the like who reach the pinacle of their professions are prime physical specimens, but as Tom Cruise proves, not exactly rocket scientists. But they are a very small percentage of the people I would consider successful in life (and I include myself as I am in the top 10% of individual incomes in the US). The majority of the top 10% and the top 1% are successes in business where using your mind to solve problems and make decisions are the key to success. If instead of being discriminated against and mentally torn down by society, they were encouraged and accepted, heavy set people would be just as successful as the "pretty people" if not more so.

"Last I checked plenty of large people have healthy offspring. I can't say the same for you. So who is the loser here?"

rofl. I would +1 this again if I could. obi, dude, this is the "cut your losses" stage, just letting you know

There's more than one kind of pasta. Get one with whole grain, protein, omega-3, fiber, etc., and you're doing pretty good I'd say.

Get some fucken Kraft noodles and you might die.

I bet Obitard lives for Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. :-)

Oh and Obitard - Regarding your subject. Anyone who actually worls out lnows it actually reduces your appetite as the endorphines kick in and you dont want to eat right after working out. I love that aspect of my walks. Six miles and all I want is a ceasar salad with some grilled chicken on top.