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CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
21 Jun 12 UTC
Ethical Question
Looking for advice from others on webDip
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worm (161 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
The problem of NMRs
What can be done to reduce the problem of NMRs and abandoning players?
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flc64 (1963 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Extra Time Added
I am in several games that are 24 hour periods that now have greater than 24 hours until the next phase.

What's up with that?
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Tyran (914 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
World diplomacy match needs players!
gameID=92149 it's a full press world diplomacy match. Needs 3 players in as many hours. Join now please!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
15 Jun 12 UTC
Obama/Department To Halt Deportation of "Dreamer" Illegal Immigrants
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/report-white-house-halt-deportation-young-illegal-immigrants-133800284.html

I applaud this...I think it's a great decision...Obama to give a speech on this shortly around 10:15 Pacific Time. Thoughts on the decision itself and the impact on the 2012 race>
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
They Improve Their Appetite When They Exercise (Just As Long As No Skinny People Snicker)
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-living/gym-bans-skinny-people-173000110.html
Banning skinny people from a gym...because it "brings down morale"...
Isn't that sort of like getting rid of all the smart kids in class because it makes the schmucks who think "The Day After Tomorrow" is scientifically accurate feel badly when they fail? WHEN did the West develop this "fear of failure" self-esteem issue?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Jun 12 UTC
A message of hope for Diablo fans
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18532670
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
There Can Be Only One--Which Actors/Films Pull Off The Character Best?
The many Bonds...the many Doctors...the different Darens...different Marx Bros. and Stooges...the many Hamlets and Holmes...the originals and remakes and re-imaginings...

Give a role with multiple actors, or a story with multiple adaptations, and say which one you take over the other(s) and why...which are the DEFINITIVE portrayals and films, and which are...not? ;)
Sargmacher (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Michelle Pffeifer's Catwoman.
Marcus Carl Franklin's Bob Dylan
Onar (131 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
But I prefer the theory that Bond is a legacy character. "James Bond" is the name given to whomever happens to be agent 007 at a given time.Just the same, I'd pick either Connery or Craig for Bond.
The Czech (39715 D(S))
21 Jun 12 UTC
Richard Kiel was much better at playing Jaws than Spielberg's animatronic creature.
NKcell (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Connery beats Craig any day.
Idris Elba is 100% top Bond.
BreathOfVega (597 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Jack Nicholson's Joker (even if Ledger's was enjoyable too).
Bale's Batman.
Mark Hammill's Joker, Clooney's Dark Knight.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
22 Jun 12 UTC
John Wayne's Rooster Cogburn, although Jeff Bridges came pretty damn close.
Clancy Brown's "Kurgan" There can be only one. There should have been only one, but yeah well....
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
The Original Trilogy George Lucas, not the Prequel George Lucas.
James Earl Jones as the voice of Vader. How could Christian Andersen's whiny self-pitying cry baby voice be believeable as developing into that booming presence.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
To start, I'll do my all-time favorite story and character of all...

Hamlet--

Aaaaaand I'll narrow my field immediately, just a tad, as otherwise this would be ranking hundreds if not thousands of Hamlets...

So, the Seven "Major" Hamlets of the small and silver screens, along with a link to their version of the "To be or not to be" speech so you can make your own choice if you like (and anyway, it's fun to see how a set of actors that are--mostly--all talented approach such a notoriously difficult speech in different ways):

--Sir Laurence Olivier, 1948 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ks-NbCHUns
--Sir Derek Jacobi, 1980 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-elDeJaPWGg
--Mel Gibson, 1990 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdp6dpiK8Ko
--Kenneth Branagh, 1996 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7740lGif65Y&feature=related
--Ethan Hawke, 2000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YHMYkUrV7A
--David Tennant, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZHb2xo0OI

And I'd rank them:

6. Hawke (One of the absolute worst performance not just by someone trying to play Hamlet, and not just by someone trying to play Shakespeare, but one of the worst performances I've ever seen an actor give, PERIOD...I've called him Keanu Hamlet before in this role, and it sticks...NO EMOTION whatsoever, and no feeling of insight, either...the fact he's wearing that ridiculous hat doesn't help...his entire speech is flat there, and his entire performance, too, feels very flat and very much a product of when this was made, 2000, when it was cool to be like Keanu Reeves in "The Matrix" and have that constant "Whaaaa?" expression of dullness on your face...what's more, there's something about the speech that just lends itself to speaking it "live" in front of the camera, as that really facilitates the actor's efforts in terms of expressing tone or emphasis or emotion or anything of that sort, and so to do it via voice-over here just adds to the feeling of Hawke being very detached as Hamlet, which I'm sure was part of the intent, but it fails here and really isn't appropriate for what is arguably the most intellectually and emotionally-stirring speech in all of Shakespeare...Olivier, too, did his speech via voice-over, but he "earned it" and justified it by being, well, Olivier, and wouldn't you know it, he STILL managed to show emotion and convey meaning, whereas Hawke ultimately fails in every respect...the rest of the production is pretty poorly done as well, I don't like the post-modernist elements--granted I don't like post-modernism period, but I can see a post-modern Hamlet working, but not like this--and about the best I can say for it is the Ophelia they picked is pretty decent and setting the "To be or not to be" speech in a video store's "Action" aisle is a pretty clever way of visually and thematically connecting the play to a 20th century setting...other than that--atrocious performance in a horrendous adaptation.)

5. Gibson (At least with the great Franco Zeffirelli behind the camera this version comes across as much improved from #6, and for everyone in this film who WASN'T ever pulled over by the cops for drunken driving and spewing a load of Anti-Semitic crap, Zeffirelli's Shakespearean directing experience shows...this play really does look and feel quite a bit like the world Hamlet might have lived in, and Glenn Close is probably the best Gertrude out of all the 6 in these versions...that being said, "Hamlet" lives and dies with he who plays the title role, and Gibson just kills it, and you can see why from the "To be or not to be" speech alone--he completely skates over some of the weightiest words in English drama as if they were nothing, adding no emphasis or even a hint of some sort of expression pr thought...you can actually tell from the movie poster why Gibson doesn't work as Hamlet...for a hero so famous for being intellectual, emotional, complex, and everything BUT a man quick to action, for Gibson's Hamlet to be holding a huge Beowulf-esque sword...well, really, that says it all...jerk or not, Gibson SHOULD have done "Beowulf," he'd probably have been a lot better in the role of a ferocious hero rather than a man of subtlety, as Gibson completely lacks any, and that combined with his aforementioned lack of attention to the words he's speaking and failure to treat them with meaning means his character has the anger of Hamlet manifested, which is more than can be said for Hawke's Hamet, but other than that, not much else.)

4. Jacobi (#6 and #5 are WAY down the list compared to #1-4, so this isn't really a slight against Jacobi, he just has some tough competition...and really, his performance is a pretty good one, and until a couple others on their list, he was man-for-man against Olivier when the discussion turned to the best Hamlet...it's a battle Olivier still won, and still wins, I think, but even so, there's an quaint, almost conversational quality to Jacobi's Hamlet that would certainly influence others on this list...what's more, there's a great cast here, and Sir Patrick Stewart plays a good Claudius...though he'll play it again...and better...)

3. Olivier (It's certainly odd putting the most decorated film version of the play--winning the 1948 Oscar for Best Picture as well as for Best Actor--at only #3, but for as great as it is, I think the other two are better productions; Olivier himself said he had to make "a great whacking cut" to get the play on the screen, and that meant taking out Rosencrantz, Guildenstern, and Fortinbras as what's characters altogether, and condensing mass amounts of the play...what's more, compared to the other Claudius in #1-4, Olivier's is the most static and straight-forward and just "evil," whereas the others had a lot more depth; combined with the loss of R&G and Fortinbras, the supporting cast here is one of the weakest of the 6, with only Gertrude really standing out, and that being due to the infamous "Freudian" tone Olivier took the play in...as a result, Olivier's Hamlet really has to carry the whole play himself--and to his credit, not only does he do so, but does so well enough to justify those Oscars...his style of directing and acting are dated now, but they ARE the best examples of pure, classical Shakespearean acting, and the unique Freudian nature Olivier gives his Hamlet stands the test of time, he comes across as one of the most nuanced Hamlets, and so, even with Olivier visibly aged out of the role, his performance more than justifies his Hamlet looking like the oldest of all of them by far.)

2. Tennant (HERE is where Sir Patrick Stewart's Claudius really comes of age, and almost steals the show at times...as a younger actor, Stewart was a good Claudius, but the combination of age and more experience make him the best of all the Claudiuses, tied for that honor with someone else, ironically enough...the setting is Hawke's Hamlet done RIGHT, a modern day setting without letting that butcher the words or tone of the play as Hakwe's beanie-wearing Hamlet did, and the Polonius in this, too, gives a pretty memorable performance, especially in his death scene...but it's of course Tennant's Hamlet that elevates this production to this height...again, almost everything Hawke gets wrong, Tennant gets right--the lines that are supposed to carry emotion not only carry emotion, but, with Tennant easily being, of the 6, the one who "looks" most like a Hamlet, and fits the age as well, the sheer emotion and angst are tempered with a sense of youthful uncertainty, a feeling of being lost, and true self-doubt, ALL central to the character's makeup...I'd really tie the Top 3 Hamlets for the #1 slot for the role, but if I had to choose one out of all the 6 here for a Dream Cast out of all 6 productions, Tennant's would be neck and neck with...)

1. Branagh (Probably could see this one coming a mile away, but I think this is THE DEFINITIVE production of "Hamlet" for TV and film...Olivier married the intellectual and emotional sides of Hamlet to a certain extent, and Tennant emphasized the emotional part of the character to a zenith...Branagh takes the opposite half and makes his Hamlet part intellectual, part actor, part raving-mad lunatic, and part tragic epic hero, all coalescing in what is easily the best-shot and most visually stunning version of the film, not to mention the most star-studded--almost without fail, every role and every actress has gone to a heavyweight...Richard Briers as Polonius...Kate Winslet as Ophelia...Charlton Heston and Judi Dench as two of the Players...Robin Williams--surprisingly not out of character here--as Osric...Billy Williams as a Gravedigger that brings the character and that scene to life like no one else...Julie Christie as Gertrude...and one of the best Claudiuses ever, Sir Derek Jacobi...and how amazing it is to see Jacobi take the opposite role here, to go from Hamlet to Claudius, and it shows...where Stewart playing Claudius twice created an emotionally-complex villain that matured over those years into an even more complex villain, Jacobi, with an understanding of Hamlet's mind as well as Claudius', creates a Claudius that not only borders on the sympathetic but has a duality about him, as a result of Jacobi playing both roles, that no other Claudius has...Branagh himself is a brilliant Hamlet, who's a his best when his whispers sound louder than cannons...he can ham it up a bit and go over the top sometimes, which can be a bit distracting, but even then it's at least in character, as he's in those scenes playing up the whole "feigning madness" bit...Branagh's is a Hamlet that asks those big questions and says those big lines and SOUNDS like he's really going through some sort of exploration of their ideas...this is the only uncut, full version of the play--with lines from all the versions of the play, Q2, F1, and even some Q1 influence--and at 4 hours it's a LONG sit, but it's worth it, and everything from the staging to the cinematography to Elsinore Castle itself--they shot in Buckingham Palace--to the swelling orchestral themes to Hamlet's final duel with Laertes to his death is BIG...this is Hamlet the Epic, almost Hamlet meeting it's Ur-Hamlet shadow and still retaining all the emotion and intellect of Shakespeare's piece...it's THE BEST version of the play, and Branagh ties with Oliver and Tennant for me as the Best Hamlet, as it really comes down to what you want most in the character--Tennant gives you the most emotion, Branagh gives the most focus to the existential and intellectual crises the character faces, and Olivier meets the two in the middle. This version, though, the 1996 version, is in my opinion the BEST version of the play...if I had to pick one of the "cut" versions by themselves, it'd go to Tennant--if you wanted a more contemporary Hamlet--or Olivier--if you wanted the Hamlet that's the most decorated of them all.)



No one will likely EVER read that...but it was fun to type...if you DID read that...

Well, thanks, but what's wrong with you? :) (And agree or disagree?)

THE REST IS SILENCE...OOOOOOOOOOOOO....
"--Sir Laurence Olivier, 1948 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ks-NbCHUns
--Sir Derek Jacobi, 1980 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-elDeJaPWGg"

Pft... Anglo-phile, If he has "Sir" in front of his name he muuust be the best. lol.


Seriouly though I liked the SNL skit when Olivier dies. Kevin Nealy at the news desk reported "Celebrated actor Laurence Olivier has died.....and every actor in the world just moved up one step."
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Obi, I loved it. And agreed, completely.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Huh...never seen that skit...must YouTube it now...

And I ranked Branagh ahead of him (though maybe it's my own bias, as his films were among the first versions I saw of Shakespeare, and his "Hamlet" is still my favorite and favorite film of all-time, but I'd like to see Branagh get the honor as well...I see him as a "modern" Olivier.)
Tolstoy (1962 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
"John Wayne's Rooster Cogburn, although Jeff Bridges came pretty damn close."

Pfft. John Wayne was just being John Wayne (he was incapable of being anything else). Jeff Bridges actually acted.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
22 Jun 12 UTC
"Pfft. John Wayne was just being John Wayne (he was incapable of being anything else). Jeff Bridges actually acted."

Your point? There's only one Duke.
Magus (117 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
The Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes and Tom Baker Doctor will forever be my favorites.
BosephJennett (866 D)
22 Jun 12 UTC
Obi, couldn't agree more on the Hamlet breakdown. Branagh is my go-to-guy for Shakespeare, and (for my money) nothing beats his Henry V. Here are some more that haven't been commented on:

* Schwarzenegger's Conan the Barbarian
* Jodi Foster's Clarice Starling
* Sinatra's Bennett Marco
* Edmund Gwenn's Santa Claus
* Pierce Brosnan's Thomas Crown
* Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka
* Colin Farth's Mr. Darcy
* Harrison Ford's Jack Ryan
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Jun 12 UTC
I've seen a few films where the the character has been pulled off really well..... thank the Lord for internet porn !! As a bloke I do prefer my actors naked with large breasts, in saying that De Niro is pretty cool with his clothes on.


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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
22 Jun 12 UTC
Is this GunBoat perfection?
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Leonidas (635 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Attention participants of ***Egos Aside*** GUNBOAT
we have made the roster available to everyone so that there is no advantage of any sort to anyone....
two of you are not identified, check this thread out to add your user name please, or just add it here...... thanks

threadID=887469
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0ri0n (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
What is Christianity?
Obviously, I know that its like one of the most popular religion out there but coming from a very anti-christian background, I dont really know what they actually believe. I know the basics like that Jesus is God but like how do you get into heaven and stuff? This is NOT a debating forum.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Crisis and democracy
Brace yourselves
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Invictus (240 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Could China Annex the Moon?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/red_moon_rising?page=full
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Jun 12 UTC
Jazz
Talk about jazz
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
WTA GB-21
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=92419
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SweetnessFSU (127 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Leave game
how can you leave a game after it starts?
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Bbrett93 (100 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
The Contention Centers: Belgium, Sweden, and Greece
In my opinion, these three centers cause the most drama in 1901.
Who has the most claim to them, and how do you negotiate your nations units into them?
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fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Diplomacy Class 1 discussion
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=82023#gamePanel
A bit embarrassing that it ends in a 2-way if it is called a 'class', but I'm interested in other's thoughts. There are some frustrations I had with the game, but I'm not bitter because I lost. Feel free to share your feelings, especially to the 8 (we had a sub) that played.
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hammac (100 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Joan Baez
Saw Joan Baez at the Zenith in Caen (France) last night!
Abxolutely superb and she's 71. Still believable in her support for the beliefs and causes that she's been fighting for over so many years.

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Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Jun 12 UTC
EoG: Gunboat-326
gameID=92320 The unglorious rape of France.
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joshildinho101 (128 D)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Quick game gameID=92351
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emfries (0 DX)
21 Jun 12 UTC
Which is Better: Remix or Original?
The original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cxP2nCBdU
The remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnS6KfskbU
I hate rap music, but given that it's made by a few goons from my hometown, I gave it a chance. Debate.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
20 Jun 12 UTC
How can you deal with obtuse 'morons' who will never give credit to opposing arguments?
Serious question. When you're debating, discussing, or arguing with people and they simply won't accept other points of view, even after reams of evidence, how can you respond? Is it best just to walk away or should we strive to educate?

How would you deal with someone utterly convinced that the Earth was flat, for example?
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hellalt (70 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Webdiplomacy.net FB Fan page
in case you didn't know there is one :P
Join it at http://www.facebook.com/webdiplomacy
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
How old is the Earth?
How old do you think the world is? Do you believe the scientists (Billlions of years) or do you think its only few thousand years old. Give me your entire argument
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
20 Jun 12 UTC
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Read and think of anyone on here who might perhaps have this.
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King Atom (100 D)
20 Jun 12 UTC
will i go to hell for posting cheating accusations in the forum?
Also, who's nietzscheptzhedkfj? is he knew?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Jun 12 UTC
Anyone here get into darts?
I've been watching some late night darts on ESPN2 or some such. And it really looks like an enjoyable combination of throwing skill, math skill, and strategy.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
20 Jun 12 UTC
Winner Takes All vs. Point Distribution
See below.
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jmbostwick (2308 D)
19 Jun 12 UTC
England Gunboat Strategy
First in a series of threads discussing country-specific tactics for gunboat (no-messaging) games.
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