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Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Apr 14 UTC
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Does anyone else love that this site has not changed its look in like eight years?
Because I actually seriously love that about it. Nothing else in my life on the internet still looks like it did then, and it looks fine.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Apr 14 UTC
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On The Forum
Hello all,
The mods are going back to handling game-related issues on the Forum, such as cheating accusations and talking about ongoing games. If you break these rules, the mods will give you a warning and may lock your thread or dock points at their discretion. If your thread is locked, it will be be accompanied by a message indicating why and how to appeal the decision. As always, if you have any concerns, feel free to start a thread in the Forum (or use this one) or contact me directly.
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krellin (80 DX)
11 Apr 14 UTC
Home Grown Vag...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/04/10/in-medical-first-scientists-implant-lab-grown-vaginas-in-human-patients

No, they can't implant one in your right hand.
But it is pretty amazing none the less... (And I hate you all for making me be the one to share this link. Come on...get on the ball people)
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SLK (512 D)
11 Apr 14 UTC
Surrender option
I am thinking that having a surrender option (to your attacker, or one of your allies that you border) might add a very nice twist to the game. Often we see people give up, but giving them a chance to surrender their territories would take diplomacy to another level, where you could negotiate with someone, give him your armies, and watch your enemy deal with a much bigger force. Thoughts?
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dirge (768 D(B))
10 Apr 14 UTC
Rules question
Okay, I still don't get this--see below . . .
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Slyguy270 (527 D)
09 Apr 14 UTC
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In search of a Holy spirit
A response to a similarly named thread...
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
10 Apr 14 UTC
Compensation for physical damage
Personal question inside.
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greibek (0 DX)
10 Apr 14 UTC
!!!
Live Anon Full Press WTA-2
all join!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Apr 14 UTC
The Favorite Author Tournament, Round 1, Match 1--#1 Shakespeare vs. #64 Virgil
And we kick off our daily tournament with a great match-up...the most celebrated author in the English language vs. the most celebrated Roman poet of all-time...Aeneid vs. Henriad...
#64-ranked Virgil (just beating out James Joyce and Ovid to get here) vs. #1-seed Shakespeare--+1 for your choice below, based on influence, quality, popularity, importance, personal taste, and all that fun stuff.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
09 Apr 14 UTC
Besy mod post to date...
This isn't a silence, but you still can't post till tomorrow - jmo
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OzorMox (104 D)
09 Apr 14 UTC
Playing with people I know
I have read the rules that state that you must not enter a game with any pre-made alliances (metagaming). I'd like to host a game with people I know but we don't have enough players to make a full game. Instead I'm considering allowing the empty spaces to be filled by people we don't know.

Even if we play like we don't know each other are we likely to be accused of cheating and therefore is this not worth bothering with unless I have 7 people to make a private game?
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Apr 14 UTC
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Annoy the Wife and Kids
...heh heh....put a load of salmon jerky in the food dehydrator and stink the house up with it, knowing how much they hate fish. (Hey, Daddy needs his salmon jerky! Tasty snack loaded with protein and omega-3.)

Mmmmm....delicious. Heh heh...
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
10 Apr 14 UTC
9 month old baby charged with attempted murder
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/baby-charged-attempted-murder-goes-hiding-pakistan-n74526

How the hell does that happen?
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krellin (80 DX)
02 Apr 14 UTC
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Coming out Friday...who's gonna see? Daughters already have our date night planned - previews look good.
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greibek (0 DX)
09 Apr 14 UTC
go go go!!!!!!!!!
all here
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
09 Apr 14 UTC
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FUCK KEVIN DURANT
FUCK KEVIN DURAAAAA ANT
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krellin (80 DX)
04 Apr 14 UTC
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Why Isn't THIS a Hate Crime
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/detroit-driver-brutally-beaten-by-teens-after-he-hits-boy-gets-out-of-truck/
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SYnapse (0 DX)
09 Apr 14 UTC
The Ultimate Warrior is no more
THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR HAS FINALLY GONE TO JOIN HIS IMMORTAL WARRIORS IN THE COSMIC VALHALLA!! REST IN ONE BILLION ETERNAL EXPLODING PIECES OF FIERY GLORY.....
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Who's the Bard of WebDip? The Favorite Author Tournament!
List your 4 favorite authors below (if one of your four has already been picked, choose another.) Once we have at least 16 authors (or more, if we get more interest) we'll line them up, the first author chosen vs. the last one posted (so, yeah, Shakespeare vs. whoever the last guy/gal is, lol), and then the second vs. the second to last, etc. in +1 spinoff threads (so, yeah, Shakespeare vs. Challenger X/Y). :p Highest total after 24 hours moves on...repeat until we choose the Bard of WebDip!
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
George Orwell (most iconic dystopian writer)
JK Rowling (just to rouse everyones's ire)
Stephanie Meyer (muhahahaha Twilight best love story)
Charles Dickens (why is he not on the list)
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 14 UTC
He was but semck must have changed his mind.
ghug (5068 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
Y'all have taken most of the good ones. Does Homer really count?

Ovid
Vergil
Joyce (Did I miss him on the list or are you guys just terrible?)
Neal Stephenson (not on the same level as the other three, but still pretty great)
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
Why doesn't homer count
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
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Odyssey is a good fucken story lol
Fishstudios (245 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
I humbly offer Lord Byron for consideration, if it's not too late.
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
I meant just the *word* poetry, silly Thucy. I love poetry.
ghug (5068 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
Dude either didn't exist or barely existed. The Odyssey and the Iliad were longstanding oral tradition, and it's believed that they weren't even transcribed by the same person.
Sevyas (973 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Douglas Adams is on the list twice
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Perhaps one of those was supposed to be Richard Adams.
Sevyas (973 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
I dont know for whoever posted the second Douglas Adams, but I was definitely speaking of life, the universe and everything
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
OK, corrected for the Douglas Adams repeat, and updated (yeah, sure, we'll keep Thoreau, and I added Lord Byron, since someone made that their sole suggestion and I think he deserves a slot)...we have *63* authors in...

*1* slot up for grabs...

And, ghug's nominees are the ones that push us over 64, his are the *4* nominees vying for that last final spot--so we'll have a quick vote here today to see which of those four get in, and then tomorrow, we'll start in proper! :)

So, the list so far:

1. Shakespeare
2. T.S. Eliot
3. Woolf
4. D.H. Lawrence
5. Goethe
6. Balzac
7. Ibsen
8. Kafka
9. J.M. Barrie
10. Maugham
11. Cather
12. Dostoyevsky
13. Austen
14. Tolkien
15. Iain Banks
16. Asimov
17. Terry Pratchett
18. Douglas Adams
19. Ken Follett
20. Carl Barks
21. Alastair Reynolds
22. Paolo Bacigalupi
23. China Mieville
24. Edward Rutherford
25. Samuel Beckett
26. Eugène Ionescu
27. Bret Easton Ellis
28. Kurt Vonnegut
29. George RR Martin
30. W.E.B. Griffin
31. Arthur Conan Doyle
32. Jim Butcher
33. Brandon Sanderson
34. L. E. Modessitt Jr.
35. Karen Traviss
36. Victor Hugo
37. Edgar Alan Poe
38. Alexandre Dumas
39. Daniel Defoe
40. Chesterton
41. CS. Lewis
42. Pushkin
43. Homer
44. Neil Gaiman
45. Stephen King
46. Bill Bryson
47. Cormac McCarthy
48. Trudi Canavan,
49. Peter F Hamilton,
50. Dan Simmons,
51. Alexander Solzhenitzyn
52. Henry David Thoreau (I think he’s a bit iffy, but eh, if he did poetry, I guess it’s OK)
53. Emily Dickinson
54. Percy Shelley
55. Laozi
56. Roger Zelazny
57. Tanith Lee
58. William Morris
59. Lord Byron (Asimov's already in, someone requested Byron, and he deserves a shot?)
60. George Orwell
61. JK Rowling
62. Stephanie Meyer (BASTARD!!!) :p
63. Charles Dickens (Good to see Charlie just got back in!) :)

And so, our four "play-in" finalists (if you will) are...

Ovid
Vergil
Joyce
Neal Stephenson

So, post your vote below for the guy you want to be #64.

I vote Joyce, so:

Ovid: 0
Vergil: 0
Joyce: 1
Neal Stephenson: 0
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
(Also, going in inverse order--1 meets 64, 2 meets 62, etc.) I can see Virginia Woolf's gonna meet Stephenie Meyer Round 1...

AS SHE SHOULD. ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Polls close at 9pm for Presidential elections, so we'll have that be the deadline for daily head-to-head polls, unless anyone has a better deadline?
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Fishstudios (245 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
I vote Ovid.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Ovid: 2
Vergil: 0
Joyce: 1
Neal Stephenson: 0
Thucydides (864 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
Voting Virgil
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Just give Will a bye round.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
08 Apr 14 UTC
Joyce
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
LOL, why Draug? 64 authors matches up perfectly...

Ovid: 2
Vergil: 1
Joyce: 2
Neal Stephenson: 0
obi, why do you love an anti-semite so much?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Because 1. I don't feel that's what defines him as a person and 2. For his time (those being the key words) he was mostly progressive on that front and other fronts.

When it comes to Richard Wagner or Ezra Pound, both of whom said they hated the Jewish people and *actively* tried to hurt them (Wagner by writing pamphlets, posing Jews as the enemy of the Germany people and against them and trying to kick Jews out of music, including Mendelssohn, and Ezra Pound by hanging with and aiding KKK members, writing for Mussolini, likewise trying to expel Jews, and so on) then the personal flaws seep into their work and ethos, and then I give up on such people wholly.

For Shakespeare...

He did something no other playwright did at the time in at least making Shylock a complex character, giving him at least one speech to try and justify his actions (and you can--fairly--argue that he's arguing from a place of vengeance more than anything else, but I also think another line--"Forsufferance is the badge of all my tribe"--is telling in how Shakespeare at least considered WHY Shylock might be such a vindictive person to be important, and why he might have a valid point...you don't write "Suffering is my people's lot in life" for a group you totally and utterly despise) and giving a "good" Jewish character in his daughter Jessica.

And that's the key to it, really--

His "good" Jew is one who converts, happily, to Christianity for a loved one...and while today the idea of calling for Jews to convert is a nasty one, in 1594, saying that maybe, just maybe the Jews weren't intrinsically evil, treating them as actual three-dimensional characters and like REAL PEOPLE in his plays (rather than the all-evil "Jew of Malta" Marlowe created or the hordes of monster-like Jews Chaucer created) and making the claim "Oh, the Jews aren't evil, they're just wrong, they just need to convert to Christianity and then they'll be fine" was progressive.

The same way having a black man be the tragic (albeit murderous) hero and a white man be the evil villain (Othello) and having (often cross-dressing) women be the smarter halves of a couple and the heroines of a storyline was progressive...for his day. (I'd argue in some plays Shakespeare's still progressive with the way he portrays women, but I digress.)

Antisemitism isn't black-and-white, and I can both acknowledge Shakespeare was a product of his time while at least appreciating that (as far as we know) he didn't have the sort of wholesale hatred for the Jews that was common in his time...he took the time to give his Jewish characters decent motivations for what they do and say, good and bad, and even took the time to admit that the Jews were a long-suffering people, and for that, I'm grateful, and can enjoy him and his work.

(T.S. Eliot's trickier, as basically his problem with the Jews is similar--he's all about tradition and symbols and hates the "idea" of a Jew more than actual flesh-and-blood Jews themselves, he never made the kind of hate speeches aabout them Pound did--but he's hundreds of years later and so less acceptable. I still am able to say Eliot didn't go as far as Pound, didn't mind Jews in person--Pound refused to even be treated by doctors who had Jewish-sounding names--and probably never harmed anyone with his poetic Antisemitism, but while he's still my favorite poet of all time, it's still definitely the one black mark against him.)
God, I forgot what asking obi a question meant for a minute, a mistake I hope never to make again.
Also, I hate your arguments, that's like saying a Nazi who advocated sending the jews to madagascar was just a product of his place and time, and his relatively moderate views mean we should praise them. In the end of the day he was an anti-semite, and even if you can appreciate his work (personally there are better playwrights), you should still be able to be like "the man was a cunt".
kasimax (243 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
joyce.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
May I ask how you view figures like Washington, Jefferson and Locke, then?

We celebrate all three pretty mightily...but the former two were slave owners and the latter was a man who first pioneered the idea that "all men are created equal" in his political writings, yet wrote a chapter defending slavery in the same book.

And as you've Godwinned yourself with a Nazi reference, I'm counting this as a win.

(Seriously, comparing Shakespeare to a Nazi behind the Madagascar plan? Must EVERYTHING be compared to Hitler/the Nazis in every argument ever? Come up with something better, then I'll take you seriously. And Beckett, Wilde, Shaw, Stoppard, Ibsen, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Moliere, Tennessee Williams, Arthur Miller, Eugene O'Neill--all great playwrights, and I'd take the Bard against each and every one of them. And you asked OBIWAN a SHAKESPEARE question...that's pouring gas on a flame and you know it!) ;)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Ovid: 2
Vergil: 1
Joyce: 3
Neal Stephenson: 0
President Eden (2750 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
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I vote for President Eden for forum bard.

Body of work can be found in the mafia thread.
Washington, jefferson, locke and shakespeare were all great men, in terms of talent, but morally lacking, and i would say that now!

god, godwinning isn't a thing when the point is relevant, it is a poor claim for someone to make when they don't have something better to say! but fine, if you don't like it, and want to shout "godwin" for some reason that is only putatively good, i will offer you a different analogy. let us hypothetically assume that in slave based america, almost all slave owners abused all their slaves to a harsh degree. slave owner x is fairly nice, and doesn't mistreat his slaves (as nice as you can be and be a slave owner, as little mistreatment as you can have and own slaves). there is one he rapes, but the rest he is nice to. are you really going to say that you only want to condemn him half-heartedly for being a product of his times? does his rape victim not deserve better? if you want to get into a moral relativist position then fine (although if you do, i hope it's used against you every time you speak up for lgbt rights, and any rights in general), but you're better than that, i hope. wrong is wrong, and being relatively progressive does not spare you anything. also the madagascar plan was a valid comparison, and would have been philosophically valid as far as logical arguments, your godwin objection, however, would not have been valid.

and at least half of the people you listed are better than shakespeare, and not just in terms of their work (although that's what i mean). ibsen was also a much better preson for instance.

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3diSpade (132 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
I can't find the server of webDiplomacy
I'm registered on diplomacy since about one week and every time i played without any problem, but today i was unable to find the server for about 18 hours. What was happened to me? People have to pay something for play on this site? thanks :)
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taos (281 D)
09 Apr 14 UTC
this is not a cheating accusation
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=135643
just a great game with two great players playing great.
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Good Players and a Joker EOG Thread
gameID=137115

Wow, what a game!
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Rhineland - Crimea/Ukraine Phase Two...
...and so it begins.

http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-storm-government-building-eastern-ukraine-132011839.html
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Apr 14 UTC
Do any of you listen to a band called Future Islands
I saw them at SXSW and I just wanted to say, fuck yeah
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jwolff52 (100 D)
07 Apr 14 UTC
Unit Creation
Hello All, I am new here and don't see anywhere on the FAQ or the intro page how to create units, and with no search feature the 1154 forum pages are a bit daunting so here is a new thread, I guess...
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
03 Apr 14 UTC
South Carolina State Fossil
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/02/298344506/a-state-fossil-for-s-carolina-faces-mammoth-obstacle

This is why we can't have nice things.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Game Processing Update
I'll be rebooting processing in a moment. All games with phase lengths less then 6 hours will be paused, as I will be adding 6 hours to all games. Please post here immediately if you notice any issues with your games or if your game processed during the down time.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
07 Apr 14 UTC
Pranks
http://siz.io/s/pranks/v/best-classroom-april-fools-prank-ever

Who has some stories to tell...
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
08 Apr 14 UTC
Echo chamber
I have the place all to myself! Woohoo!!1!1!
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Apr 14 UTC
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Where the hell is Game of Thrones S04 E01?
It's been 40 minutes. Get on it, pirates.
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