@ Ghost - Yes, it is DJ's tournament, however, at the time I posted my last entry, he hadn't weighed in on it and you and denis had done all the talking for him. I'm fine with it being his tournament and having our name at his discretion, but he had left it up in the air. Also, the personal attack about the deabte team was unwarranted for two reasons: a) None of our members are on the debate team. We are all however, on the Mock Trial team, a much better place for someone who wants to get an actual feel for argument and not see people read pre-prepared statements off index cards. b) I'm not sure where we established my argument wasn't valid, thus meriting the "c team" comment. I never got a rebuttal on that from anyone. Instead you went straight to the personal attack which usually is indicative of someone not having anything intelligent to say in response. I'm going to assume your recourse to name-calling is because you're from England and the analogy to our electoral process wasn't exactly up your alley. If, on the contrary, you would like to continue this debate using only personal attacks, I'm happy to oblige.