@bo

but it doesn't justify Clinton by any rite

Wait hold on. How am I an idiot and responsible for Trump?

Im extremely intoxicated. But i still know thats absurd

Hillary not horrible? Must I start ranting?
Yes to the Iraq war, which we all know by know was based on a lie. I say we all know now even though people back then either knew or should've known but nonetheless, definitely know now.
Reading Obama's atlantic thingy forgot what it's called and don't feel like looking it up: she pushed for intervening militarily in Libya more than anyone in the administration probably. The result is an ISIS powerbase in Libya. Not to mention Libya's fractured government that has shit authority.
She wanted to bomb Syria. Badly. Now here is where my dislike turns to hatred. I'm Lebanese and lived in Lebanon for 6 years only recently moved. Do you realize how fucking horrible the Middle East would've become had she got what she wanted? And Lebanon's right next to Syria so bam I'm fucked my friends are fucked their famililes are fucked basically everyone is fucked al qaeda running around establishing emirates or caliphates left and right. Fuck that. Fuck Hillary. Trump's still bastard.

bb, no one said that.

Oh okay im in Iraq now.

@JY ... it justifies his endorsement. It wasn't a sell out. It was a last resort. Live to fight another day.

I'm getting real tired of Americans voting for their leaders only based on domestic agenda. "Oh, this person is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands? Well, if he/she don't increase my taxes then I don't mind." Disgusting really

@bo

alright i can accept that, that's fair

Maybe cuz they all have the same foreign policy Hannibal, a product of being the international hegemony.

@DemonOverlord yeah you're right. Still makes me sad :(

I am curious about the comment "He has been the defendant in two sexual assault cases".

Is being a defendant considered a black mark against someone in America? Oh for the glory days of innocent until proven guilty. Or at the very least innocent when found to be not guilty.

What is most depressing about all this is how quick Democrats are to play the woman card. The Democrats are failing at an unprecedented level. They are bleeding support at an alarming rate, and losing the argument on multiple fronts. This is a time for some serious soul searching and reflection.

And yet instead of that what you hear time and time again is denial. It's not that the Democrats are making misjudgment after misjudgment year after year, oh no. It's misogyny, innit?

Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on good times
Blame it on the people…

Okay I feel sober now considering. and my opinion on this is to take a deep breath. Trump will of course remind you that Bill cheated on Hillary. the best defense against this is of course that you are voting for Hillary not Bill.

Well, we can scratch "But Clinton!" and "Boys will be boys" off the bingo card. Anyone else want to help us get a blackout?

"grope her because you can"

right ND?

Out of curiosity, what's the problem with an argument in the form of "but Clinton..."? The whole point of the Presidential race is to allow the people to compare on candidate against the other, is it not?

Well so far Clinton hasnt raped or groped anyone. other than that Octavious thanks for sharing a moniker with the current month.

Who has Trump raped, brainbomb? Who has he sexually assaulted?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html

I reckon Trump would grope Putin at a G8 meeting.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/

Not defending Trump by any means here, but wasn't brainbomb adamant about how Clinton was *accused* multiple times, but it was never proven so she *must* be innocent. And here we have Trump *accused* and never proven, so he *must* be guilty?

Double standard, no?

Trump is no saint. He hacked an4d slashed through lots of people to get what he has. But is is interesting to notice how media are harsh to him compared to treatmant Clinton has. I can be seen that media are heavily on her side. And when media is so openly on thebside of one candidate one should be concerned about the readons.

I'm the United States legal system, people often don't get charged because they have lots of money and influence - not because they're always somehow not guilty.

"Out of curiosity, what's the problem with an argument in the form of "but Clinton..."?"

That it's not a defense of Trump, just an argument for not voting if neither candidate is defensible.

Also, that it's simply not true in this case.

"Who has Trump raped, brainbomb? Who has he sexually assaulted?"

Uh, whoever he was talking about in the video? Of course, he could be a pathetic insecure liar. (Actually, he's a pathetic insecure liar regardless of whether he was lying in the video.)

Oh, and another one got crossed off while we were waiting: "It's just media bias." Like reporting the things that come out of Donald Trump's mouth is yuuuge bias against him. Like the media is obliged to toe the middle line between the candidates regardless of whether that's where the objective reality lies. Like they didn't make hay of every scandal thrown at Hillary.

Holy shit people, my 1st post was obviously a joke, I don't support Trump or any of his actions. Stop asking me.

"But is is interesting to notice how media are harsh to him compared to treatmant Clinton has." - media finds video where trump brags about sexually assaulting women, and this is them being harsh?

Of course they are harsher on him, he's a worse human being than Hillary.

@KC, whatever about the things Clinton is accused of doing, Trump admits to going up and groping and kissing young women, imagine that was your daughter he was bragging about. Now tell me he's innocent until proven guilty (of rape), sure i don't think you should arrest and imprison him until he is proven guilty. But does that mean you should vote for him?

Yo I heard people were getting lots of +1s in this thread. Anyone wanna help a mod out?