"Wealthy White Christians (and I mean ALL THREE TOGETHER here, so I'm NOT saying all whites, or all wealthy folks, or all Christians, I'm referring JUST that special intersection of the three) seem to feel they're entitled to a hell of a lot"

That is sitting in judgment, cumstain.

""American Asshole Trifecta"

That is a judgment, pussy fart!"

Fair enough--

Then again, I'd stand by that judgment...

Homophobia, Hating Blacks and Anti-Semitism IS an Asshole Trifecta.

Who cares to disagree?

How was that nice and hateful? Every fucking homo that decides to announce to the world he's gay suddenly thinks his shit doesn't stink and nobody can criticize him.

We *bash* Miley Cyrus because we are tired of her overt (heterosexual) displays – we are tired of watching them. But is a fucing homo were to ass-fuck his pal on a wrecking ball everybody would quiver in fear of criticizing it for fear of “gay bashing”.

Fuck the homosexuals…I’m tired of their “we’re special….don’t talk about us as we shove our ass-fucking in your faces” attitude. Be gay…I don’t’ give a shit…just quit expecting me to applaud each of you that comes out of the closet wiping your mouth.

"That is sitting in judgment, cumstain."

And that's AFTER my initial title, I asked for one before that, in the title/description itself (and pussy fart was a better insult than cumstain.)

^that is making an assertion that we all *think* we have an entitlement (seem to feel = think) so it is exactly what I claimed and not what you tried to spin it as. Seem to feel =/= are granted. Two totally different things, Christ Killer.

"well can you give an example of something "critical of homosexuality" that is not gay bashing?"

I'd say pretty much exactly what this guy said, though he did it quite in-artfully. Just saying you believe homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean you hate gays. Pope Francis has said gay marriage is the work of the Devil and has entirely stuck to the orthodox teaching that gay sex is a sin, but nevertheless also said it's not up to him to judge someone and has ended up on the cover of a leading gay rights magazine.

You can disapprove of something, think it's wrong, and still not hate it. The standard for some parts of society is no longer tolerance where gays can freely live their lives as they wish, but that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE has to accept that way of living and never say anything ill about it, and if they do they get called gay-basher to intimidate them into silence.

I gave you it when you said "American Asshole Trifecta". It essentially lumps all Americans together, tit-milk breath.

"tit-milk breath" I can assure you that Obi-the-closeted-homo will *never* be accurately described as "Mr. tit-milk breath"

"Read your own link. He said blacks he knew were happy, not that all blacks were happy under Jim Crow. Can you read? As for the comments on gays, read that one too. He said he disapproves and doesn't understand it, and believes it's a sin. Is that really so awful? Calling anything that isn't 100% supportive, accepting, and loving of homosexuality is gay bashing is ridiculous.

What the hell is White Christianity? You, again, just make things up to suit your rhetorical whims. You're like a stupider Derrida."

1. How dare you bring up Derrida in my presence! :p
2. "As for the comments on gays, read that one too. He said he disapproves and doesn't understand it, and believes it's a sin. Is that really so awful?" When the connotation for a sin is "Burn in hell," then yes, that is awful. Further, in that same article, he goes on to assert that surely vaginas must be more appealing than anuses...THAT is assuming your position is the de facto position/preference, which is what I'm arguing against. Obviously more men have sex with women than each other, but still, if you assert your position as "the norm," that makes any other position "outside the norm" or "not normal," which A. Is insulting and unfair, B. Isn't wholly accurate as homosexuality IS normal, and C. Leads to nasty implications.
4 "Calling anything that isn't 100% supportive, accepting, and loving of homosexuality is gay bashing is ridiculous." People don't bash "straight love"...why should people think gay bashing is socially acceptable (by which I mean you can still do it, sure, but there's a difference between what you have a right to do--freedom of speech--and what is social acceptable...for example, none of us would deem the N-word socially acceptable in normal speech, I assume? Or wetback?)

3. I can't count. LOL Fuck, I left #3 out...

@invictus: what exactly is anybody's problem with two gay people? they're two consenting adults, both willing to be together, so why can't they? who are they hurting? why is it under any circumstance okay to forbid them to love each other, to kiss, whatever? just because you don't want to see it, as krellin puts it? really?

OBi, homoism is NOT normal, by definition...."usual: conforming to the usual standard, type, or custom" any more than bestiality is normal....<throws bomb..strolls away.>

" When the connotation for a sin is "Burn in hell," then yes, that is awful."

You clearly don't know Christianity. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Sin is sin, it is not a guaranteed death sentence in the afterlife. Far from it. It is, in fact, sin that makes us human and imperfect and in need of Christ's sacrifice and God's love.

kasi - most people don't ahve a problem with two gay people going about their lives. Just liek we don't have a problem with two heteros going about their lives. It's when they must constatnyl throw it in our face that they are gay and act like we are supposed to kiss their feet and treat them special when people have a problem. If my co-worker needed to constantly reaffirm to me that he was hetero I'd probably tell him to shut the fuck up, too. Be gay - who gives a shit, why does it have to be you *primary* identifier?

"@invictus: what exactly is anybody's problem with two gay people? they're two consenting adults, both willing to be together, so why can't they? who are they hurting? why is it under any circumstance okay to forbid them to love each other, to kiss, whatever? just because you don't want to see it, as krellin puts it? really?"

You read like obiwanobiwan. I completely agree that there should be no laws banning what two people decide to do with one another. That's not the issue. The issue is forcing others to be accepting of that behavior in their personal opinions. That I disagree with, and that is what's happening in this case.

" Isn't wholly accurate as homosexuality IS normal"

Says who? The great obitard? No, homosexuality is a deviation from the norm. Even myf riend Gary would admit it wasn't normal to be gay, but it was what he was. Don't try whitewashing sexual deviation as being normal just because it is considered acceptable. It is acceptable to be a fucking moron with an IQ of 80, but it isn't normal.

"How was that nice and hateful? Every fucking homo that decides to announce to the world he's gay suddenly thinks his shit doesn't stink and nobody can criticize him."

AND NO ONE *SHOULD* CRITICIZE THEM FOR BEING WHAT THEY ARE!

Does anyone criticize Stallone or Schwarzenegger for being "Flaming heteros?" NO!

You should not criticize someone for WHAT they are, be it race or sexual orientation, period.

It's not OK to bash someone for something they can't help.

You cannot help being born white/black/Latino/Whatever...
You cannot help being born Jewish/Catholic/Hindu/Whatever...
You cannot help being born Gay/Straight/Bi/Whatever...

You cannot and should not bash someone in (almost) 2014 for WHAT they are!

You can bash me for WHO I am, a smug Shakespeare-spouting liberal prick...

And I can bash you for being what I see as the worst aspects of American conservatism all rolled into one...

But at least that's who we are and we become who we are by CHOICE.

You don't choose to be gay, and so you should not be bashed or made to feel ashamed or discriminated against because of WHAT you are and what you had no choice over, especially when others aren't bashed for what they are and what they had no choice or say in being born as.

it doesn't have to be if it has the same rights as heterosexuals. why can't they marry? is that too much "special treatment"?

Nice one Draug. ALL HUMANS go to hell without saving grace. So again, it's the homo's making out like *they* are special....even their sins are special...*purposely* ignoring doctrine in order to call themselves out.

"You clearly don't know Christianity. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Sin is sin, it is not a guaranteed death sentence in the afterlife. Far from it. It is, in fact, sin that makes us human and imperfect and in need of Christ's sacrifice and God's love."

Then Jerry Falwell didn't know shit about Christianity, because in his sermons, HE sure treated it like a burn-worthy offense...

Ditto Pat Robertson.

And those aren't names from the fringe but arguably, with Billy Graham and Ted Haggard--who WAS openly on the "burn" bandwagon before his fall from grace--America's most famed and influential Christian speakers.

OBI - yuou piece of shit - thanks for purposely taking my comments our of context. You have now demonstrated clearly the lack of argument that you have.

No doubt you have criticized Miley Cyrus for her overt displays of sexuality...but WHY OH WHY Obi? She's jut being who she is?!?!?!

Fucking asstard hypocrite.

And obi - please try to read... Not embracing homosexuality and calling it a sin is *not* gay bashing. Not allowing a blind person to drive a car is not blind bashing or discrimination. You need to see the difference between attacking the person for what they are (bashing) and disagreeing with a groups lifestyle from a personal morals point of view. (before you say it, I said *personal* morals cause I know you will latch onto that).

"you clearly don't know christianity" is always difficult to say and christianity in general is very difficult to talk about because their points of view differ so greatly.

"You don't choose to be gay"

But one does choose to be a fucking flamer and shove it in other's faces...

OBi - you can't bash someone for their beliefs, either. Draug can't help what he

@draugnar: i don't like your car comparison because by letting a blind person drive a car you endanger other people. who is endangered by homosexuals?

"Then Jerry Falwell didn't know shit about Christianity, because in his sermons, HE sure treated it like a burn-worthy offense...

Ditto Pat Robertson."

No, they don't know shit about Christianity. They are televangelists ripping people off and calling themselves Christians. Christ would smack them upside the head for their actions. Guaranteed. And He had the patience of, well, Him.

"it doesn't have to be if it has the same rights as heterosexuals. why can't they marry? is that too much "special treatment"?"

Thank you, +1.

But apparently equal treatment is too much special treatment here...

Because a book written in the Bronze Age said homosexuality was icky, therefore we should discriminate against gay people, because that book has always been right about everything...

And now, again, my favorite passage from said book...

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

"11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

And it's not like the book that argues against homosexuality--Leviticus--is that much different...both are Old Testament books of laws/codes/etc.

And if you want to argue it's different because of the New Testament...

Then why are you bashing gays for something the Old Testament said?

Better question--when we're supposed to have a SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, why are you using that book to deny people rights AT ALL?

Only someone so unfamiliar with Christianity like obiwanobiwan could think homosexuality is some special sin. In Catholicism it's a mortal sin like--wait for it--masturbation! It's just one sin among many, many others, and ALL humans sin ALL the time.

One's ultimate relationship with God isn't defined by what you like to do with your genitals in life. You're not a gay or straight soul before God, you're just a soul.