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Gobba (2209 D(G))
06 Jul 10 UTC
Game Start for followers of FSM
I am making a list of those players on this site who are also followers of FSM. If there are enough, let's try to set of a game, and then our winner can challege those Lutherans.
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trip (696 D(B))
11 Jul 10 UTC
live gunboat
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10 Jul 10 UTC
Corrupt a Wish v.2.0
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saxophonedude (100 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
I need a sitter...
Hey, I'm gonna be gone for about a week and a half (monday through the next week's thursday) and I need someone to sit my games for me. I have four games that need sitting, all of which are classic, 24 hours, and one gunboat. I'm doing fairly decent in them and I don't wanna screw that up, so I would like to have someone who has stats like mine or better.I don't want to ask for a pause for a week and a half, so this would really help me out.
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11 Jul 10 UTC
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11 Jul 10 UTC
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
copying from a advocacy website
Yesterday an Iranian woman, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, was saved by global protests from being stoned to death.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC

But she may still be hanged -- and, meanwhile, execution by stoning continues. Right now fifteen more people are on death row awaiting stoning in which victims are buried up to their necks in the ground and then large rocks are thrown at their heads.

The partial reprieve of Sakineh, triggered by the call from her children for international pressure to save her life, has shown that if enough of us come together and voice our horror, we may be able to save her life, and stop stoning once and for all. Sign the urgent petition now and send it onto everyone you know -- let's end this cruel slaughter NOW!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_stoning/98.php?CLICKTF

Sakineh was convicted of adultery, like all the other 12 women and one of the men awaiting stoning. But her children and lawyer say she is innocent and that she did not get a fair trial -- they state her confession was forced from her and, speaking only Azerbaijani, she did not understand what was being asked of her in court.

Despite Iran's signing of a UN convention that requires the death penalty only be used for the "most serious crimes" and despite the Iranian Parliament passing a law banning stoning last year, stoning for adultery continues.

Sakineh's lawyer says the Iranian government "is afraid of Iranian public reaction and international attention" to the stoning cases. And after Turkey and Britain's Foreign Ministers spoke out against Sakineh's sentence, it was suspended.

Sakineh's brave children are leading the international campaign to save their mother and stop stoning. Massive international condemnation now could finally stop this sickening punishment. Let's join together today across the world to end this brutality. Sign the petition to save Sakineh and end stoning here:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_stoning/98.php?CLICKTF

In hope and determination,

Alice, David, Milena, Ben and the whole Avaaz team


SOURCES:

Iranians still facing death by stoning despite 'reprieve', The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/08/iran-death-stoning-adultery

Britain condemns planned Iran stoning as 'medieval', AFP:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hjVdkvkzicGeInqw2R10rCKrqs3A
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
Another atrocity on the name of religion.
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
I looked at the links you posted and i ask myself is the only problem the stoning and the unfair trial?
What if the woman is convicted to adultary and instead of stoning she remains in prison for years or lifelong? Do the creators of the petition can life with that barbaric moron morality of Iran? Please tell me i didn´t find information about that.
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
"Another atrocity on the name of religion. "
Yeah in fact its exactly what their religion tells them to do, i am afraid religion at the end allways leads to these things :-(
orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
'Do the creators of the petition can life with that barbaric moron morality of Iran?'

you what?
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
If the stoning is the problem or the fact that adultery is a deathcrime...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
i think the cruelty of the method used for the death penalty, the lack of justice in the court system and the fact that women are often condemned to death while the men invovled in the same adultery tend to get off. (no pun intended)

in conclusion i think the author's motives are stopping a very outragoues outrage to improve the world rather than trying to fix everything at once.
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
Hmm that has a taste of being against clothes made of fur, but accepting slaughterhouses. I like petitions, but i want to be informed what was made out of my "vote". I can live was a massmurderer been stoned to death no difference for me to an electric chair. So the stoning itself is no problem for me, but this happening to people because of their sexual orientation or activities is pure evil only religion can produce.
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
This case is wrong on so many levels:
- the death penalty for adultery
- that it applies to the woman only
- the method of death (was) drawn out & painful

@Miro: most other methods of execution are quick and thus the pain, if any, is not endured for long.
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
"Another atrocity on the name of religion. "

"Yeah in fact its exactly what their religion tells them to do, i am afraid religion at the end allways leads to these things"


Dudes, are you really such small minded biggots that you must blame every religious institution for this? Let me guess religious people are great and wouldn't be doing anything like this if they didn't have those religious institutions to spur them on to such atrocities, blah blah blah. There are Islamic communities that don't do such things, and it's not merely due to secular influence upon them."


@orathaic

Thanks for the link, sure I'll sign.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
most other countries which sanction death penalties have over time moved to make them less painful; these are small steps to make capital punishment less objectionable ie they are trying to keep thep punishment while reducing the ammunition which critics have to stop the death penalty completely.

So that said, this peition is trying to do something about (what they see as) the worst 'crinimal' justice in the world. I'm sure they would like to go much much further, but you're not being asked to sign such a petition. (i'm not personally trying to push people into signing the petition, i'm just discussing their motives here because that seems to be what miro is questioning... )
orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
Miro said: "Yeah in fact its exactly what their religion tells them to do, i am afraid religion at the end allways leads to these things"

Crazy Anglican said: 'Dudes, are you really such small minded biggots that you must blame every religious institution for this?'

No, i don't blame religion for all the failings of mankind. I blame mankind for the failings of mankind, and if he creates institutions/social constructs they can be abused.

That is to say, people can use the excuse of their culture/institutions to do 'evil'* things or simply spread injustice. We are judging based on our own cultural bias which goes to show that other humans can use their culture, religion, and institutions to influence other for 'good'*


* where good/evil are relative terms, based on and biased by - your expierences, culture, religion etc.
Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
Sorry orathaic

I did not mean to include you in that. I didn't see your motives as anything other than to raise awareness of the situation. The first part of the post was to diplomat & miro; the second part was addressed to you.
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Crazy Anglican: "Dudes, are you really such small minded biggots that you must blame every religious institution for this?"

FFS before you start calling me a bigot or small minded read what I posted. I said in the NAME of religion. I do not blame Islam per se and of course it would be ludicrous to blame another religion in this case.
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
"Let me guess religious people are great and wouldn't be doing anything like this if they didn't have those religious institutions to spur them on to such atrocities"

Without the islamic law in Iran they wouldn´t do that.

"Dudes, are you really such small minded biggots that you must blame every religious institution for this?"
Small minded biggot? What fundamentalist are you, taking on me while i am defending the victims of islamic terror? Are you pissed off because you are religious?
Octavious (2701 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
You do get a lot less adultary in Iran though, and as a large proportion of Western murders are crimes of passion spurred on by things such as adultary it may well be that stoning saves lives. Just a thought...
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Octavious
... and imposing your morals on someone else causes death
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@ octavius

"You do get a lot less adultary in Iran though"
- Sorry but you are pulling this right out of your ass :-)

"large proportion of Western murders are crimes of passion"
- once again from where the sun don´t shine :-)

"it may well be that stoning saves lives"
- You forum troll try to provoke, cheap try, nobody is that dumb to think so ;-)

Timur (673 D(B))
10 Jul 10 UTC
"Everybody must get stoned." (Bobby Z)
Octavious (2701 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@ Miro

On the first point, it is simply common sense. In the west there is far less social pressure to keep marriages going at all costs, there are far greater potential rewards for adultary (such as the potential to remarry with what turns out to be the love of your life), there are no major legal consequences, and you probably don't believe you'll go to hell because of it. In Iran if you commit adultary you will likely be villified by the public and your family, there is no chance of a long term relationship resulting from it, and you will end up being executed in a hideous fashion is caught. I am generally against making assumptions but in this case I really can't imagine how it could possibly not be true.

On the second point, this is common knowledge. In the same way I know that people in Portugal drive on the right I know that a common motivation for murder is love and jealousy. Ask a policeman, look it up... The evidence is easily found all over the place.

On the third point. It is not a provocation, it is a logical conclusion that can be drawn from the first two points. It may not be the case, but it seems plausible that it may be true. Quite why you think such a point is dumb is beyond me.

@ diplomat

It can indeed cause death, and can save lives, and do all kinds of things depending on what the morals happen to be and how heavily you impose them
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
Octavius you are telling bullshit all the way, so i just follow your ridiculous logic.

If a society condemns adultery as a deathcrime, this will lead to more passion crimes because the people value loyality in perverted and overdone way. This is what happens in Iran, "murders of passion" raise cause to be cheated is such a heavy misdeed in their islamic believe system.
-> So your first "fact" is still pulled out of your ass :-)

The proportion of murders is differnet from murders of passion, it´s just a part of it a special and small one.
-> ...where the sun don´t shine.

Yes it´s just provocation, nobody believes you when you are telling executions because of adultery leads to higher morality! Nobody is that stupid to think so.

I think you should stop just making things up, it insults people who know better :-(

diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Octavious:
"it may well be that stoning saves lives" are you suggesting therefore that the death penalty for adultery is a good thing?

Are you suggesting that the punishment of stoning is a more effective deterrent than hanging?

Do you advocate the introduction of this punishment in your own community?
Octavious (2701 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@ Diplomat

No, slightly yes and no.

I quite firmly believe that stoning is barbaric. I would suggest that it may be a slightly more effective deterrent than hanging as I'd choose a good hangman over a crowd of stone throwers any day (having said that a poor or particularly nasty hangman can draw out a hanging to a greater extent of suffering than stoning can achieve). I would certainly not advocate the introduction of this punishment in any community.

What I do believe in is examining an issue from all angles, which includes looking at the possible benefits even of things we find abhorrent. As no one had yet done so, I thought it would serve a purpose if I did instead of simply repeating the blatantly obvious fact that stoning is bad.

@ Miro

The person making things up here is you. I have never even suggested that executions because of adultery lead to higher morality.
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Octavious: phew, I wasn't clear whether you were playing devil's advocate or not. I pronounce you "sane".
Octavious (2701 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
Yay! Do I get a certificate to prove it? :-)
Miro Klose (595 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Oct
"I have never even suggested that executions because of adultery lead to higher morality."

Really? What about that:

"on by things such as adultary it may well be that stoning saves lives"

I hope you can remember this quote, it´s from you...
diplomat61 (223 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@Octavious: never been asked for one of those before ... I will see what I can do.
krellin (80 DX)
10 Jul 10 UTC
I say send in the troops and overthrow the government of the brutal regime that would allow such disgusting behavior...but then I'd be accused of trying to put the US's bootprint on the world and told we need to keep our damned noses out of other people's business.

Since a good number of people -- probably those whining about this atrocity -- also despise the solution, why is anyone talking about it? People talk about cultural diversity and countries being "arrogant" because they think their culture is better than another countries...and then they whine about how someone else's culture - which is *ancient, by the way and existed long before yours - is wrong.

The irony is simply delicious!

So....apart from overthrowing the regime, there is nothing that can be done. "Sanctions" are useless, because they are unenforceable without military action when some belligerent country like Russia doesn't play along...so again...who cares! So some whore gets stoned to death....like you people really care...

I hope, before you haters come out after me, you are intelligent enough to catch some of the sarcasm and mockery...I don't really think people should be stoned to death, but I also think nobody who pretends to be concerned about this wants the actual solution...which is US boots on the ground because we're the only nation with balls enough to take out a regime such as Iran's. (Hopefully, that is...)
President Eden (2750 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@krellin: I don't think that invading would stop the problem. You'd have to quash the religious sects advocating it, as well, which would require another occupation that I don't think America has the resources to afford (courage aside).
Octavious (2701 D)
10 Jul 10 UTC
@ Miro Klose

I did say that, yes. It was not, however, a comment on the morality of adultery or indeed the morality of saving lives at the cost of quality of life. It was merely a statement that stoning may well have at least one positive effect. I would expect many Iranians could enthusiastically tell you of other positive effects, as very few societies in the world go to the trouble of doing things that they see as having no benefits whatsoever.

Still, if you want a taste of my morale view of the world I'll give you a little glimpse. Personally I do see adultery as wrong. Somewhat worse in my morale code is marrying someone without giving it serious thought and the respect the institution of marriage deserves. Way way lower in my code, lurking closer to the most evil of concepts, is stoning a woman to death. If you want to hear more I'd be delighted to tell you, however it will be bloody dull for everyone else.

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11 Jul 10 UTC
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09 Jul 10 UTC
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
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10 Jul 10 UTC
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10 Jul 10 UTC
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09 Jul 10 UTC
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10 Jul 10 UTC
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09 Jul 10 UTC
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09 Jul 10 UTC
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