Diegohb, I don't think it's OK to discuss a running game in the forum. You can explain your point to other players through the in-game chat or wait until the game ends.

I am not discussing a game. i am discussing an acussation of metagame.

What exactly does metagame consist of in this context?

You say that when you play together you always ally. That's pretty much the definition of metagaming.

You should ask Anlari, Popoi.

You and ssabia metagame together. I've played a game with you both in and you guys never attacked each other even though you both had open SCs next to each other, and ssabia could have won by taking your open SCs. When I remarked that it is was strange that he doesn't take your SCs for the win, you became very defensive about it and said you were friends in real life. It's no fun playing a game with you both in it if you are always going to ally together.

diegohb, metagaming doesn't exist. anlari is accusing you just to provoke you. it's all part of the game. if you & Ssabia aren't the same person, you shouldn't feel guilty

Alamothe is right. Diegohb, you have mentioned a particular game, however everything what is said within a game is a part of the game itself and you shouldn't talk about it in the forum until the game in question is finished.

Please defend yourself in the forum only if you are accused publicly in the forum. If you are accused within a game, defend yourself within that particular game.

So, do you and Ssabia know each other in real life? mightyrobot says you told him so.

I play with people i know in real life, but that doesn't mean i always ally with them. The only difference between how i play with them and anyone else is that with them i might use a bit more diplomacy because in real life it can be more effective to 'persuade' people to do "as is best for them" aka "what you want"

Oh yesss... mightyrobot, I forgot about you. That guy made a quadruple acussation of metagaming (milt, deigo, sabia & deco). And then took it back. Here is the dialog:

M:i see you play alot of games together. you must be friends in real life.

D: Oh... I see, you dont want to lose so now you will acuse me of metageme, right. One question, if we are both the same person shouldent we be playing together at "Death, Doom, Xbox", the game with more point? I am playing that without him, and I am winning. So think better instead of saying something stupid. (Note: I endup winning this game)

M: you both have spanish names and both log in a similar times and you don't fight one another. do you know him in real life?

D: Unlike you, there are players (like ssabia) who understant that this game is NOT about spiting on everybody´s eyes like you do. They are esplendid teamates, unlike you who are just a liar... "I will support MAO-Por... bla bla bla"
Easy, detective. I am from Argentina and he is from Spain. We were planning to have a coffe, but ther is a lot of water between us, you know... (I was being sarcastic of course)

M: milt, deigo, sabia, deco, .... hmmm....

D: jajajajajajajaj Are you saying that milt, deigo, sabia & deco are the same person?!?!?!?! jajajajajajajajajajajajaja

M: i'm just having fun talking to you. I hope you had fun playing with yourself.

I'll say that the login times that I've noticed have been similar... this isn't proof of metagaming or multiaccounting, though. But I agree that this issue should be held off until the game is completed.

I thought that there had been a lack of multiaccounting/metagaming accusations on the forum. Merry Christmas, all.

C´mon Diego. Do not abandon me now!

Pay no attention to this mambo jumbo talkers...

Look, oddly enough its up to people how they play the game. Is it stated anywhere that you CANNOT play with people you know in real life? Or that you shouldn't ally with those that you know more then some random person that opens teh game with "hey wanna ally?" only to backstab u?


If you dont like it, oh darn, because really their right to enjoy the game in teh way they see fit is EXACTLY equal to yours. So by complaining that they are taking away from YOUR game, you are doing the same to them. Grow up and enjoy, or if you can't do that at least suffer in silence so that the rest of us can enjoy.

Cause really, its a game, we're all just here to play and have fun

I've played game here with closed friends, and we make agreements and backstab each other like we would any other player in the game. But you go into games with your friend ahead of time and agree that you will cooperate no matter what. It's almost like playing someone with multiple accounts. I wouldn't have brought it here if you weren't defending yourself publicly against someone else making the same complaint. You wouldn't be accused of this so often if your behavior otherwise. I personally won't play anymore games with you.

It is very stupid to bring this here. I just said that it looked suspicious, and was called a 'stupid fuck' in return which was probably deserved. Now if I had anything to base my suspicion on, I would have brought it to here myself. I think there is a whole lot of difference between accusing someone in private and bringing it open to public (like it was done to Rait & me a while ago) as one tends to leave its mark.

As I mentioned in another thread, I do have my suspicions and I often confront the person I'm suspicious about myself (So that they know that people are noticing, and they have their chance to explain) but I would never accuse someone in public without solid evidence.

Now bringing it here yourself so that anyone who has a grudge against you can jump on the accusations, I suppose I am not the only one deserving the title of 'stupid fuck'.

That is what you get when you are accuse without solid evidence, in private or in public. Anlari is no longer your name for me. You are an inmature who cant stand loose a game.

It looks like, in some way, you (Anlari) think everyone should react as your servant. In the game you expect a friendly Russia after you bounce him out of Sweden several times, and you are "suprised" of my insults after you accused me of metagame. You have a funny logic.

Frankly, I couldn't care less.

And please don't take everything I say in the game to be my true beliefs, I and many others often say things to manipulate players.

Speaking of maturity, I don't think you set such a high standard by bringing an open game into discussion here, calling me names and being so annoyed with me over a game.

Do you want to be right at all cost? Do you want me to be a metaplayer? If I dont get a public apologie I will show you what metagaming is...

Eh, I already said that I don't have any evidence and my suspicions are not enough to bring a serious accusation against you in public. As you are the one who took it too seriously and brought it here and I am the one that has been insulted repeatedly, I feel no need to apologize.

"I will show you what metagaming is" No comments.

The comments on this thread reveal a lot about the maturity levels of some players here.

Personally, I agree with mightyrobot, as i had a similar situation in one of my current games. I sorted it out privately. Turns out, it was just two friends who joined on the same day, and were collaborating and not bothering to reply to my messages. This is fine*, but i thought one key point of this game was to use the messaging system for 'diplomacy'. But anyway, people are free to play how they choose.

* fine != fun. Nor is it challenging for the out-of-game ( i.e. meta-game) collaborators.

stay in

"If enough people think I am guilty of metagame, I will quit this game."
I don't know if you're guilty, but based on your attitude I think you should quit this game.

I'm saying this again: please stop talking about the game that is not completed!

Or is this just me who considers such behaviour very unfair? Diegohb, excuse me, however despite you are a metagamer or not, I really don't like you took this to the public forum while the game is still running.

There is no such thing as "metagame," under the definition I was told. If you both "agree" outside the game not to attack, there is no reason that agreement can't be breacked just as easily as an in-game agreement. Not only that, but two countries have open SCs next to eachtother and aren't attacking... this is an alliance, not some breach of the rules. Alliances can be broken like the rest. No reason to complain just because you have no allies, and someone else does.

Thucydides, I disagree. If there is an agreement within the game between players no to attack, that is not a problem. That is part of the game. If two good friends join a game with an agreement not to attack each other, which they both know 100% that the other good friend will commit to, then I think it is not in the spirit of the game. It is essentially team play, which is not quite the same an in-game alliance. It is very similar to a single person running multiple accounts in order to win.