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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
04 Aug 13 UTC
Yankee Gays waste good vodka ..... how queer is that?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23527338

There's nowt as queer as gays
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SYnapse (0 DX)
04 Aug 13 UTC
WWII variant testing
Can anyone join?
http://lab.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=115
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tendmote (100 D(B))
04 Aug 13 UTC
German EOG for "Fun Palace Party"
Read on for German EOG in "Fun Palace Party" game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=124139 gameID=124139
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Aug 13 UTC
Who's calling?
I know it sounds like a joke but I'm asking for a serious reason. Who's calling? That's all.
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krellin (80 DX)
02 Aug 13 UTC
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Rangel: "White Crackers"
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/charlie-rangel-tea-party-is-same-group-of

I am *IMMEDIATELY* calling for all good Liberals here that are concerned about the use of hurtful and derogatory racial language to contact Charlie Rangel office and *demand* his resignation
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SYnapse (0 DX)
02 Aug 13 UTC
Evolution is not selfish
Something I've been saying for years; nature rewards the co-operative. Not co-operative in that "I want to get laid and the best way to do that is by being co-operative", but proper altruistic natural instincts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23529849
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
02 Aug 13 UTC
Hey ghug
Like the Red Sox now?
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jeesh (1217 D)
03 Aug 13 UTC
Hypothetical Scenario
ABC vs. XY
If A support holds B, B support moves C to X, C goes to X
Y hits B, does X get displaced?
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matdelong (100 D)
03 Aug 13 UTC
This user needs to be banned
UID: 52123 Name: Happy Chimp
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shigzeo (1080 D)
03 Aug 13 UTC
GoGo-3 Game - obviously no draw
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=118966
Most of us have wanted to draw since before Pacific Russia started winning. Argentina put up their vote for draw when they were still larger or about the same as P.R. I'm on holiday soon. Please draw, or i just throw the game.
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
A short story
A true story. a bit long, but I hope you'll find it as entertaining as I do.
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
02 Aug 13 UTC
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The Greatest of All Celebrations
Today is Calvin Coolidge Day.
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
02 Aug 13 UTC
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Thucy is in a Senegalese newspaper today
http://www.lesoleil.sn/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31191%3Arepertoire-numerique-aiddata-un-nouvel-outil-pour-une-meilleure-lisibilite-des-actions-de-developpement-&catid=157%3Aculture&Itemid=109

Most famous active webdipper
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
01 Aug 13 UTC
game
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
02 Aug 13 UTC
Hey, At Least Our WebDip Denizens Don't Do THIS...
http://news.yahoo.com/twitter-threats-highlight-blight-online-trolls-094629380.html

...Really, what the hell???
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
16 May 13 UTC
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The Official Thread for The School of War: Summer 2013 Game 1
gameID=118036
This is the official thread for professor commentary. Questions are permitted by others following the game and/or thread.
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Tusky McMammoth (3321 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
I'm back, anyone want a game?
I'm thinking 24 hours per phase, anonymous players WTA with a pretty big pot and some good players. Any of those options but the last are negotiable, let me know if you're interested!
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ccga4 (1831 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Need a sitter for one game by tomorrow!
I will be camping for 2 weeks, leaving tomorrow, and need a sitter for one game, a world wide gunboat. I am in an extremely good spot, and it would be a shame to waste it. Please help me out
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krellin (80 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
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Democrat War on Women
I said it first...now here it is in print...(Ahhhh...sweet vindication....)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/1/so-which-party-is-waging-a-war-on-women/
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Gunboat Invitational Redux
For those who were in the first:
gameID=124017
Same password
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
01 Aug 13 UTC
A Letter to Florida
Dear Florida,

I'd like to thank all of you. Here's why: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/01/3535902/amid-grading-controversy-florida.html
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dirge (768 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Snowden has a new butt buddy named Putin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/01/nsa-edward-snowden-russia-temporary-asylum/2607737/

This is what Putin planned all along. Putin, 10 pts. Snowden 0 pts.
Putin is definitely the "top" in this relationship.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
NSA Internet Surveilance
According to these documents, the NSA has access to virtually all http activities of all Americans. Discuss

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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The Banksters Own the World
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/07/chris-martenson/banksters-own-the-world%E2%80%A8/
"Those not in the top 1% are finding themselves as modern-day feudal subjects – bound by debt or lack of property – to a global corporatocracy"
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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"Today the top fifty companies in the ‘super-entity’ list of 147 from the above study is concerning. Out of the fifty, 17 are banks, 31 are an assortment of investment, insurance, and financial services companies, and only 2 are non-financial companies (Walmart and China Petrochemical)... How is it that companies that produce nothing and only move digital representations of money from point to point now control far more wealth than the companies that actually produce the things that makes money useful at all?"
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Jul 13 UTC
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FlemGem (1297 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
"Those not in the top 1% are finding themselves as modern-day feudal subjects – bound by debt or lack of property – to a global corporatocracy"

Fortunately, unlike feudal subjects, modern people have the freedom to *not* use the services of banks. Seriously, carrying a credit card and buying cars, clothes, and blah blah blah on credit is a lifestyle choice. Is it more challenging to buy a home or go to college without debt? Yes, but it can be done. Power to the people!
Tolstoy (1962 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
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"Fortunately, unlike feudal subjects, modern people have the freedom to *not* use the services of banks."

No, we do not. It is against the law for me to run my business without a dedicated bank account. The vast majority of landlords will not accept cash for rent payments (I've tried). Many businesses are requiring "direct deposit" nowadays - which of course requires a bank account. Paying for something like a car with cash instantly turns you into a Drug Dealer in the eyes of the police, immediately rendering your hard-earned money vulnerable to "asset forfeiture" and requiring you to spend tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees for a chance at getting it back. And just try cashing a check for thousands of dollars somewhere other than a bank.
YadHoGrojaUL (330 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
+1 Tolstoy.
largeham (149 D)
26 Jul 13 UTC
Yeah, except that real wages have been dropping since the early 70s, purchasing power was compensated with mass credit. People cannot survive without credit and banks, we are stuck with them.

Anyway, finance capital! Thanks Hilferding.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"It is against the law for me to run my business without a dedicated bank account."

Citation?

Anyway, yes, I definitely feel like a feudal subject. Much like the serfs of old, I live in a warm, heated apartment, own a computer and television, sleep on a comfortable bed, and eat a dazzling variety of luxurious foods like pasta, beef, curry, and baked chicken, on a grad student's salary, without incurring any debt. I would say the analogy is almost perfect.
Invictus (240 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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Are we really gonna try to have a discussion with a guy who thinks having a checking account is feudal oppression?
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"Citation?"

That's what the IRS told me.

"Anyway, yes, I definitely feel like a feudal subject... I live in a warm, heated apartment."

Just like a feudal subject, you don't own your home - someone else does. You're a tenant. You pay rent. You have no choice about having to work for someone else if you want to continue having a place to live. And when/if someday you decide you don't want to pay rent to a lord any more you will have to get a mortgage to buy a house and have to make payments to a bank for decades. Of these payments, the majority of it will go not to actually paying for the house, but paying the INTEREST on the loan - the banker's tax that must be paid for the privilege of being allowed to borrow the capital they've managed to monopolize.

It's great that there's no shortage of inexpensive food for you to eat and cheap made-in-China electronics for you to be entertained by. But you are no more free than a slave who is permitted to eat the bread and watch the circuses of ancient Rome before you are again forced to get back to work on your master's latifundium. You may be fat and happy (and warm), but you are not free so long as you have to work for somebody else to keep a roof over your head.
y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
27 Jul 13 UTC
Go become a hermit then. I have no problem being a part of a system that allows me to live luxuriously as long as I maintain my employment and pay people for the financial maneuvering they do to let me live the way I want to live. I feel free and that's all I care about.
Invictus (240 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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Houses are expensive. How can the average person expect to own one without a mortgage? How can mortgages be given out unless the lender makes money on the deal? Weren't you a capitalist?

As for having to work for somebody, what's the alternative? We can't all be successful entrepreneurs or mountain men. You seem to just have a problem with civilization.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"That's what the IRS told me."

I think the IRS meant that you should have a separate business account *as opposed to mixing it in your personal account.* They didn't mean you had to use a bank account, per se.

"Just like a feudal subject, you don't own your home - someone else does. You're a tenant. You pay rent. "

Sure -- by choice. I considered other options too, and this was the best idea for now. So what?

"You have no choice about having to work for someone else if you want to continue having a place to live."

Um, no. I could start my own business if I wished to. I know people who have, even people in my field. I even may. But the vast majority of people in history have worked for somebody. What's your point here? This is hardly a big bad change.

"And when/if someday you decide you don't want to pay rent to a lord any more you will have to get a mortgage to buy a house and have to make payments to a bank for decades."

Only if I want to. I could buy a trailer home with my own money if I desired, and land too for that matter. Yes, if I want to buy something that I can't afford, then I'll have to borrow. That's my decision, nobody else's. Unlike in feudal days, I have choices either way.

"Of these payments, the majority of it will go not to actually paying for the house, but paying the INTEREST on the loan - the banker's tax that must be paid for the privilege of being allowed to borrow the capital they've managed to monopolize."

Yep, buying stuff you can't afford is expensive.

"It's great that there's no shortage of inexpensive food for you to eat"

Isn't it?

" and cheap made-in-China electronics for you to be entertained by. "

And I should also have mentioned books. I have many, many books.

"But you are no more free than a slave who is permitted to eat the bread and watch the circuses of ancient Rome before you are again forced to get back to work on your master's latifundium."

That is a demonstrably absurd claim, Tolstoy, and if you desire to be taken seriously as an adult in this or future conversations, you should retract it.

That slave was simply not allowed to leave, and would have faced stiff penalties had he tried. I, on the other hand, could disengage myself and pursue any form of lifestyle I wished. If your complaint is that I'm not independently wealthy and cannot buy a large estate to be the equal of a British lord, then you're right -- I cannot. Nor have I ever felt that life owed me such a status.

"You may be fat and happy (and warm), but you are not free so long as you have to work for somebody else to keep a roof over your head. "

Then freedom has never existed anywhere in the world, so you are chasing a fool's ideal.

Of course, you're also spouting absurdity. The point is, unlike the slave, and unlike most of the people in history, I *can* get my own land and even my own business by working, if I want to (but I don't have to). That is freedom. You are just chasing something for nothing.

On the other hand, I could go live in a commune; could buy a small amount of land within a few years and live there; could go be a hermit as y2k suggests; could camp the rest of my days on public lands and work very little; could pursue any trade I desired, or none at all; etc., etc. These are all things that were not open to the Roman slave.
Invictus (240 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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Remember when I said some arguments aren't worth taking seriously, semck83? Case in point.
FlemGem (1297 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"And when/if someday you decide you don't want to pay rent to a lord any more you will have to get a mortgage to buy a house and have to make payments to a bank for decades."

Tolstoy, I appreciate a lot of your concerns, but where I part ways with you is that you seem so quick to agree with the lies the banksters tell you. The only way the banksters can perpetuate their evil is if enough people agree with their lies. Until you find a source of hope and truth and freedom you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Stick it to the man, my friend! Quit whining about how powerless you are. Cut up the credit cards, pay cash for your cars, get rid of the mortgage, run your business debt-free, and when you get that done turn around and show somebody else how to do it. Basically, grow a pair and act like the free man you are!

As to being required to pay rent with a check instead of cash: okay, maybe you can argue that you have to have a checking account. Fine, but seriously what's the big deal? Do they not have free checking where you live? Are you opposed to convenience? Do you long for the days when you paid for your new mule with a wheelbarrow full of chickens? Explain....
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"Houses are expensive. How can the average person expect to own one without a mortgage?"

Go back a hundred years and few people had mortgages. Now, something like 97% of houses have mortgages. When my grandparents bought their first house in the 1950's, they were ashamed and terrified of the fact that they had to take out a 10 year mortgage to do it. But unlike the "standard" 30 year mortgages of today, they were paying more principal than interest every month within a year and a half of their 10 year mortgage (the 30-year mortgage doesn't hit this point until about 20 years in - but before then, the vast majority of homeowners have sold their houses and gotten a *new* 30 year mortgage on a different house - and will go on for another 20 years with monthly payments that are mostly 'interest', or profit for the bank).

Once upon a time, when wages were high and land was cheap, people didn't need a mortgage to buy a house. They'd save up for a few years, and then buy their house for cash. Or maybe they'd borrow some money from friends and relatives. Now, however, that's impossible; what few private (non-bank) capital accumulations there are are tied up in 401K plans and can no longer be used for the private loans which used to be common. Now we must all turn to the banker and accept his terms - no matter what they are - to buy anything "expensive".

So why are homes expensive, anyway? 20 years ago, college educations used to be attainable without loans by working while one went to school. This is what my father did in the 70s, and (mostly) what I did in the 90s. But as college tuition and 'fees' have been growing at double-digit rates over the last decade and change, that has become as much a pipe dream as the mortgageless home purchase. What happened? The scarcity of PhD. laborers certainly hasn't increased. But what has increased is the availability of student loans guaranteed by the government. What we have seen here is what happens whenever you have too much money sloshing around in an economic system - prices rise in order to soak up the surplus of capital. Universities know they can charge more every year, since there's more government-backed student loan money out there. So they do. The end result is you have janitors in the Cal State system making six figures and a multitude of offices being erected to enrich the friends and relatives of the high-level education bureaucrats while the poor students find themselves going $100k into debt peonage (that is no longer dischargeable in bankruptcy court) for an education that costed $20k just a few short years ago.

The same thing has been happening in housing, albeit at a much slower pace (but over a longer period of time). As the government floats trillions in no-interest funds to the banks and guarantees the mortgages the money is lended for, the banks are willing to loan more and more money. But this doesn't build houses (at least, not immediately); it simply makes them more expensive, as all that money loaned out by the banks drives prices up and crowds out anyone who would think of paying cash.

And who profits from these mortgages? I invite you to do some digging on a few facts (I promise it won't be hard) and make some simple calculations on them, to wit: 1) how long people hold onto houses before selling them, 2) how much principal is paid on that mortgage during that time, and 3) how much interest is paid to the bank during that time. It won't be hard to see who really profits from "home ownership" that is paid for with a decades-long mortgage. It should be no surprise when we see that no one can afford to retire any more unless they've been a high-income earner all their life; most are simply not being able to accumulate capital, as their paychecks (their *after tax* paychecks, a topic for a whole other thread) are being sucked up by mostly-interest loan payments on not just houses, but also cars, student loans, and medical loans. Throw 'declining wages' into the mix (and rising rents for those who can't scrape together enough for a down payment), and yes, I think the term "serf" or "debt peon" is not at all outrageous.

Owning the home you live in (without having to enter into a 30-year debt peonage contract) shouldn't be considered an opulent luxury, realized by only a small fraction of the public. It should be something *most* peole should reasonably expect to experience. If this belief makes me crazy (or worse, a communist), then PLEASE straightjacket me and throw me in a padded cell now so I might be spared having to witness what is going on in this country.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"I think the IRS meant"

Yes, I do not know if this was a friendly suggestion or a de facto requirement for which I will be hit with thousands in "penalties" for deviating from. As someone who has had unpleasant experiences with the IRS already (for tax filings that were mysteriously and repeatedly "lost" somewhere at IRS HQ), I'm not willing to take any chances on finding out the hard way.

"Unlike in feudal days, I have choices either way."

People had these same "choices" in feudal days as well. Instead of paying rents and taxes and performing corvee labor, peasants could always run off into the woods or join a crusade. Where we're disagreeing is that I don't think abandoning one's life to avoid being exploited for the rest of your life is a "choice".

"buying stuff you can't afford is expensive."

Bingo. Instead of berating people for not being fantastically rich, here's the real question you should be asking: why are houses so unaffordable that someone must enter into a (ultimately unfulfillable for most) 30-year debt peonage contract to get one?

"unlike the slave, and unlike most of the people in history, I *can* get my own land and even my own business by working"

If you want any old plot of land, perhaps a majority of wage slaves in America could do it if they really wanted to. But plots that are actually suitable for homesteading cost a pretty penny (I know - I've looked). As for starting a business, the percentage of small businesses is the lowest it's ever been, as they are unable to compete with the huge corporations with vast pools of capital and access to resources from around the world that Joe Schmoe and his 30-employee shop couldn't possibly hope to compete with, especially when he's got to pay 3 or 4 of these people just to comply with the umpteen bajillion employment, safety, and business regulations we have in this country. Small businesses are the clientele for my IT Services business; better than 3/4 of my customers went out of business (or got bought up by big corporations that had their own in-house IT staff) in the 2007-2009 time period. Starting a profitable business from scratch is a well-nigh impossible task these days; take it from someone who has been there and done that.

"That slave was simply not allowed to leave, and would have faced stiff penalties had he tried."

How ironic - the government has actually been trying to make it illegal the last few years to leave the country if you have tax debts exceeding a certain amount. It's only a matter of time before we little people don't catch the amendment to the amendment to the appropriations bill it's attached to and they succeed. IIRC, it's already illegal to leave the country if you have "child support" payments in arrears. The circle of "choices" gets smaller by the day.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"Stick it to the man, my friend! Quit whining about how powerless you are. Cut up the credit cards, pay cash for your cars, get rid of the mortgage, run your business debt-free, and when you get that done turn around and show somebody else how to do it. Basically, grow a pair and act like the free man you are!"

How do you know I'm not?

"Do they not have free checking where you live?"

They used to, but once the banksters' housing bubble scam blew up in their face, they suddenly started charging fees on the formerly free checking accounts most people had. Checking account fees have actually become one of the banksters' chief sources of revenue, after they stopped loaning money out around 2008-2009 (this stoppage caused my biggest customer at the time to go out of business, which costed me about $2-3k per month in lost income - they were a completely profitable business; the ONLY reason they went under is because the banks suddenly refused to provide the bridge loans the company had been using for *decades* to buy raw materials with). I pay $300 a year in "account fees" now, which I really have no way around.

"Are you opposed to convenience? Do you long for the days when you paid for your new mule with a wheelbarrow full of chickens? Explain...."

You're confusing "bank accounts" with "money". Barter went out with the invention of money sometime around 800BC, and money survived just fine for about two thousand years before bankers started lending it out at interest.
Invictus (240 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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tl;dr version:

Banking is inherently evil. Get off my lawn!
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 13 UTC
You mean the banks' law, Inv.
Invictus (240 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
And by banks' lawn we both mean our liege lords' lawn.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
May the chains of economic exploitation set lightly on you both. :-P
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jul 13 UTC
lol, thank you.

I really just continue not to understand what you mean, though. I have seriously considered a great many different lifestyles, paths, and options. I have never felt the structure of our economic system hanging heavy on my head as I did so.

And maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm from Texas. But I'm pretty sure I could buy (i.e., pay off) a modest house there with just moderate skimping for 4-5 years on a lower-end professional salary (engineer, associate professor, etc.) That just doesn't strike me as awful.

Many other places in the country ARE outrageously expensive, of course, for various reasons.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"I really just continue not to understand what you mean, though. I have seriously considered a great many different lifestyles, paths, and options. I have never felt the structure of our economic system hanging heavy on my head as I did so."

That's the genius of the system - unlike a slave on a plantation who knows he will get whipped and beaten for not working, you are convinced that working hard to make other people rich is in your best interest.

"And maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm from Texas. But I'm pretty sure I could buy (i.e., pay off) a modest house there with just moderate skimping for 4-5 years on a lower-end professional salary (engineer, associate professor, etc.) That just doesn't strike me as awful."

Most people do not make a "professional salary" - even many professionals (like myself) are just (barely) getting by these days. If you are fortunate (or well-connected) enough to have a good job that pays a nice salary, yes, you will not be too severely exploited by your Texas mortgage for your Texas-priced home (I'd live there myself if I didn't think the heat would kill me). But that is not true for most in this country.
redhouse1938 (429 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
hmm.. I agree with semck's argument but Tolstoy's sentiment.
Tough.
redvolunteer (119 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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ITT: Tolstoy attempts to explain basic Marxist critique of Capitalism to the asinine rebuttals of "Feudal? I don't live in a mud hut" and whimpering cries of "I'm free, stop telling me I'm not free".
fulhamish (4134 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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I believe that 48 of the top 50 ''companies'' don't actually produce anything*. They create money and move it around catching billions on the way as middle-men. I think that any objective person, be they of the right or the left, might instinctively feel that this is a case of a system which puts the cart before the horse in order to benefit the privileged few.

*Today the top fifty companies in the ‘super-entity’ list of 147 from the above study is concerning. Out of the fifty, 17 are banks, 31 are an assortment of investment, insurance, and financial services companies, and only 2 are non-financial companies (Walmart and China Petrochemical)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.UfPp3ayyOSr
FlemGem (1297 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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"they were a completely profitable business; the ONLY reason they went under is because the banks suddenly refused to provide the bridge loans the company had been using for *decades* to buy raw materials with)."

A completely profitable business that has been around for decades shouldn't be using bridge loans. Bad cash flow practices expose companies to unnecessary risk. If we're going to be free from the banksters we've got to get out of the mindset that debt is necessary and inevitable. Again, I sympathize with you on many levels, but I can't accept your hopeless attitude. I'd identify with you a lot more if you could promulgate positive solutions instead of recklessly hopeless rhetoric.

Sorry to hear you can't get free checking in your area, must be a regional difference.

@Redvolunteer: the word "feudal" has a meaning and semck and I are smart enough to know what the meaning is and that it doesn't apply to our society. Also, I *have* lived in places where people live in mud huts. Have you? How'd you like it? Would you prefer to live there or whatever place it is you live now where you have electricity and an internet connection and a computer that cost twice as much as a Congolese person's annual income? Still feel like a peasant?

Also, concerning freedom: either we're both slaves but I'm living like a free man while you wallow as a slave, or we're both free and you're living with a slave's mindset. Can you explain why your outlook is preferable to mine?
MajorMitchell (1874 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
well someone has to assist the Drug Cartels manage their money
& why should the worlds most successful businesses pay too much tax ?
( or indeed any tax ? )
If Governments go bust, then let the ordinary citizens bail them out
welcome to our brave new world
mendax (321 D)
27 Jul 13 UTC
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I think this is the first non-diplomacy thread on this forum that's genuinely interesting. For what it's worth, at the start I considered Tolstoy to be indulging in hyperbole to the point of weakening his argument, but as the positions have been expanded and clarified that the only considerable difference between his stance and mine on this is a choice of language, and that is a fundamentally meaningless divide. If the only thing people have a problem with here is use of the word "feudal", then replace it with some analogous concept and stop derailing the thread with concern about semantics. Of course, any real debate is a far more interesting proposition.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
27 Jul 13 UTC
What's wrong with you guys? It sounds like you all can afford to buy a hut on the coast of Mexico and serve some beers in a local bar every once a week to earn enough money to buy yourself food. Alternatively, you could grow your own food, and, while you're at it, drugs to make the hut look better.

But you prefer to buy all the nice stuff brought to us by the ones earning the big money, and crying about how they earn the big money from you.

If you want to earn money you have to work for it. If you want to live bigger you have to work for it. If you want to live free of money you have to build a hut, or not even that. It's always been that way, except for slaves. So we're not slaves.

Other than that, you might want to get a revolution going in America to solve the problem. You have to work for that too though.

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Maniac (184 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Pretty Pattern
I dabble in the stock market (just a £1 or two on the spread betting sites, I can handle it, I'm not addicted, lay off me Jezzz some people) anyway I was setting my stop/limits and decided to do this based on the Golden Ratio - see more inside....(I hope the suspense won't kill anyone)
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Frank (100 D)
31 Jul 13 UTC
book recommendations
i am looking for some good non-fiction books to read. things i am interested in - America, sports, politics, modern history, finance. things i am not interested in - any pop science or social science, military history, ancient history. Thanks guys!
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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
30 Jul 13 UTC
One spot left in good PW-ed game
gameID=123838

Anon, PPSC, full-press, 3 day phases, 110 point buy-in. Be ready, some of this sites heavy-hitters are on board...
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
31 Jul 13 UTC
Sitter needed
A well known player needs a sitter for 20 games including most of the New Variant Gunboat Series. They had a family member pass, please consider helping out with even 1 game if you can. Post inside if interested.
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Jkeil (0 DX)
01 Aug 13 UTC
Editing Games
Is there any way to edit a game once it is in pre-game?
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
31 Jul 13 UTC
(+1)
Al Swearengen, can you give us an EOG? Epic game.
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