"Yeah, he was framed by the same police department that *repeatedly* looked the other way when they were called in for repeated domestic violence complaints on behalf of the future murder victim."

You, the fucking government conspiracy theorist par excellence, thinks EDTA in the blood isn't evidence of a frame-up? Thinks the police getting its hands on blood instead of the science lab isn't suspicious? I guess the only time you're on the side of the government is if the target is African American.

"Oh wait, Tolstoy is a kindred spirit with the Muslims, so whatever will he say now? Whiteys and Muslims are oppressed by Latinos & Blacks?"

Ah... Drat. Now I must choose. Am I an evil Secret Muslim first, or an evil Secret Klansmen first? I will have to chew on this.

Maybe you are evil Secret Klanslim Musman? :-)

I'm just wondering if whites are under the thumb of blacks & Latinos who control the government and judicial system of SoCal then who is doing the oppression of the Muslims? I guess blacks & Latinos, right?

It's the damn Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese communities that run SoCal. :-) Just kidding of course. Trying to lighten this conversaton which has gotten a wee bit heavy of late.

I am sadly certain that no race is excluded from the capacity to oppress. As a general statement black communities, in my experience, are notoriously regressive when it comes to acceptance of non-cisgender heterosexuals, most likely (again my observation) due to the fact that black Christian religion tends to be more fundamentalist in its treating of non-cisgender heterosexuals compared to white Christian religion. This isn't to say that whites aren't regressive toward the same people - they clearly are - but that I've personally observed a higher concentration of such sentiments in black communities. (I will note to qualify this further that my experience with both black and white communities is predominantly urban.)

And I don't bring this up to justify any oppression against blacks, of course. Oppression in all forms is wrong. But I have to say, in response to the implied statement that minorities cannot oppress other minorities in Putin's question, that yes, minorities can. After all, Croats oppressed Serbs in the Bosnian War, for example, even though Croats were outnumbered 2 to 1. Hell, whites in the Southern US oppressed blacks even though blacks were, by population, a clear majority. In fact slavery in general is usually the practice of some minority oppressing a majority, not the reverse.

So yes, minorities can and do oppress. Whether it's blacks and Latinos oppressing Muslims in Southern California I couldn't say, that's not my area of expertise, but as all races of humans are humans, all races are capable of falling into the same tragic behaviors of human history, oppression included.

I love a good motor race.

Of course President Eden is correct that oppression can exist on many axes. Straight people of any race can oppress LGBT persons, just as white people of any sexual orientation can oppress people of colour. The point however is identifying which group along each axis of oppression has more power than the other. And racially speaking in North America, it's white people who have that power. When a gay white man is racist, his ability to be oppressive has nothing to do with his sexual orientation and everything to do with his race, and the other way around too.

Well, yes. The question Putin posed was whether blacks and Latinos (about whom it apparently was asserted were the racial blocs in power in Southern Cal?) are the ones oppressing Californian Muslims. My answer is, basically, "maybe." Putin seemed to imply (and correct me if I am wrong, please) that they were automatically unable to do so if they were of a national minority race. Hence my response is that no, that's not true.

And honestly I'm not so sure it's even as clear cut as we tend to pose it. Sure, in general, if someone's going to be able to oppress someone else in America, it's likely going to be a white guy. But localized to the highly specific nuances of a given city or area of a city, that may not always be the case. The Southern Californian question posed before again becomes relevant. I wish I knew enough about Los Angeles culture and racial dynamics to answer that question, but as I don't, I won't try.

There have been a number of mysterious murders of prominent Muslims in Southern California over the last few years. For instance, two or three years ago, a local imam who went to go clean anti-Muslim graffiti off of a vacant rental property in the middle of nowhere was killed in a mysterious explosion. Cause of the explosion unknown. I suspect there is more to these stories and the one Putin referenced (the father of the victim is apparently a prominent Shi'ite leader in Iraq) than we will ever know. More than a little odd that of all the Muslims living in Southern California, the hausfrau that gets beaten to death immediately after her husband leaves to take the kids to school just happens to be the daughter of a 'somebody' in the home country.

For the record, no, I don't think the "Latino power block" is randomly offing Muslims for whatever absurd reason Putin would love to put in my mouth. But I sure would like to know who is behind these. Not holding my breath for an answer, though.

Why would you use a German word when referring to a Muslim, Tolstoy?

'hausfrau' has one less letter than 'housewife', and I'm extremely lazy.

He's a Jerry morse-tapper!
Filthy Hun weasel fighting his dirty, underhand war.

Nice attempt to cover tho, but we are ON to you.

Damnit. Isn't fiedler the name of one of the NSA guys from Enemy of the State? No wonder you caught onto me so quickly...

;-)

You're actually a quadruple agent of ours! At least we think so...

Here in NZ, we occasionally get landed with people like iraqi kernels that got bought off in gulf war II, they usually scam and rob the shit out of us before being caught and sent on to some other 'lucky' country. Use explosive graffiti on em all, I say.

I didn't know there was a fiedler in that movie! Do they ever say his name? Anyway, they stole it from 'The Spy Who Came in from the Cold', just like I did.

The "Lucky country" you speak of Fiedler is the one and ONLY.... Australia...

LOL

16 October 2011: Australia 6 – 20 New Zealand

Thank you for playing :)

Tolstoy I'm not sure you understand what white privilege is

@fiedler - Corn has kernels. The rank is colonel.

The fact that this thread is still going is an embarrassment to this site and humanity in general

So after 8+ hours you had to be a douche and bump it...

Yeah sorry I don't buy the constant conspiracy mongering from a guy who believes black people got it made in SoCal and that an OJ frame-up is ridiculous. Tolstoy, like all libertarians, is no where to be seen when real government abuse occurs.

"Tolstoy I'm not sure you understand what white privilege is"

Siccy, haven't you heard? The successful small business owner who has plenty of free time to dick around on webdip is an oppressed person in SoCal, where supposedly Latinos and Blacks run everything. Just ask the Bus Riders Union. Or the Brown Berets.

"the father of the victim is apparently a prominent Shi'ite leader in Iraq)"

Prominent Shi'ite leader who trains US soldiers to be culturally fluent before they go kill his own people.